Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 4 - Freo v Blues Sat April 6th 4:20pm AEDT (AO)

[T2B_]

Sounds like Clark should be dropped, what an absolute spanner!

 

[The Fantom]

Is that the year he kicked 58 goals?
That is some achievement isn't it. Remember when Sideshow was kicking high 50's early on his career

Makes you wonder why he only managed 29 last year in a season Carlton finally played finals.

As I said, he'll regress and normality will back in order as we saw in yesterday's game v Fremantle.

I guess no one will ever be as good as Dawkins whose best result is 68 goals in a season from 26 games.

Harry only played 17 games when he won the Coleman.

He also wasn’t the cause of bringing in goal reviews as Dawkins was for being gifted a goal in a Grand Final that clearly hit the post.

 

[T2B_]

I never said what Clark did was acceptable. I’m saying it’s a response to a howler of a decision. He’s penalised accordingly but he doesn’t open his mouth if the correct decision is made. EVERY Freo player is calling touched. EVERY Carlton player looks sheepish.

So, my analogy is accurate. Often the biggest penalty is because of a massive mis call and the subsequent reaction to that. It’s not acceptable. There’s penalties in place. He paid the full price.

Unsure what you’re trying to suggest I’m saying. My post is what often happens in sport. It’s a reality. Not some one eyed view.

I do think the umpire could’ve taken 2 seconds to assess it all, perhaps asked him to calm down, but he blew his whistle instantly. Without knowing exactly what was said, that’s his decision. From a Freo perspective he just doubled down on the initial poor decision. That’s extremely hard to take.

I like analogies. Here’s another. It’s like taking $500 to the casino. You grind away playing safe. Work your way up to $300 having a good night. The night is about to end. So, you think I’ll just put all my profit on a bet. $300 bet and you lose. You double down and just bet the whole $500 and lose. Now you leave with nothing and lose it all in the last 2 bets. That’s what it feels like ONLY the casino is the AFL and you should never bet against the house when it comes to Carlton.

Arguing with the umpire never, ever works regardless of whether they have made a correct call or not.

 

[Cobbler]

Arguing with the umpire never, ever works regardless of whether they have made a correct call or not.

Can you read? It’s like you’re replying to me and trying to make a point I’m already saying.

 

[Cobbler]

Sounds like Clark should be dropped, what an absolute spanner!

How many weeks for your player? Eyes off ball collects Fyfe high.

Or are you like Voss and think he had eyes for the ball and was ‘contesting’.

Hurt his wrist too. Absolute soft utensil effort.

 

[JustaBattler]

How many weeks for your player? Eyes off ball collects Fyfe high.

Or are you like Voss and think he had eyes for the ball and was ‘contesting’.

Hurt his wrist too. Absolute soft utensil effort.

keep fighting the good fight man !

 

[T2B_]

How many weeks for your player? Eyes off ball collects Fyfe high.

Or are you like Voss and think he had eyes for the ball and was ‘contesting’.

Hurt his wrist too. Absolute soft utensil effort.

Can you read? That has nothing to do with the post you quoted.

 

[Elixuh]

Oof. Look at how much it deflects.

 

[Chief]

How many weeks for your player? Eyes off ball collects Fyfe high.

Interesting question. Worth exploring.

Or are you like Voss and think he had eyes for the ball and was ‘contesting’.

Hurt his wrist too. Absolute soft utensil effort.

Then you go and show that you don't really want to explore the question. Just want to get a jab in.

 

[Gethelred]

I never said what Clark did was acceptable.

You're implying the s**t out of it.

I’m saying it’s a response to a howler of a decision. He’s penalised accordingly but he doesn’t open his mouth if the correct decision is made. EVERY Freo player is calling touched. EVERY Carlton player looks sheepish.

I look forward to your award-winning book on body language, followed by your Nobel Peace Prize in recognition for your groundbreaking work into how you can expertly with zero misunderstandings simultaneously interpret the facial expressions and body language of a good 40 people - some of whom are not even in frame - through Ch.7's rather ordinary coverage.

Should be a fascinating read.

Unsure what you’re trying to suggest I’m saying.

I'm suggesting that your view of the circumstance is flawed, because the same inherent bias we all have.

You go for Fremantle, and - as the wounded party - you're seeing the things you're looking for.

When a hammer goes alookin', all they'll ever see are nails.

My post is what often happens in sport. It’s a reality. Not some one eyed view.

Uh-huh. I'm sure you also have a bridge to sell me, at a magnificent price.

I do think the umpire could’ve taken 2 seconds to assess it all, perhaps asked him to calm down, but he blew his whistle instantly.

How do you know he didn't, in the preceeding section of play between Cottrell taking the mark and after the play started to reset? Why are you assuming that the free kick is but the first interaction the two people have ever had, despite sharing a field for almost three hours?

Without knowing exactly what was said, that’s his decision. From a Freo perspective he just doubled down on the initial poor decision. That’s extremely hard to take.

And you're coping extremely well. You seem perfectly fine to me.

Look how well you're doing.

I like analogies. Here’s another. It’s like taking $500 to the casino.

Poor move. Stock market, bonds, savings account.

You grind away playing safe. Work your way up to $300 having a good night. The night is about to end. So, you think I’ll just put all my profit on a bet. $300 bet and you lose. You double down and just bet the whole $500 and lose. Now you leave with nothing and lose it all in the last 2 bets. That’s what it feels like ONLY the casino is the AFL and you should never bet against the house when it comes to Carlton.

... wait a minute. Let me get this straight.

The analogy you went with for yesterday's game - the game in which an umpiring mistake compounded by a decision by a grown man to mouth off at an umpire cost you the game - is to a run in a casino in which you lost fair and square?

The implication being, that you know you lost the game fairly?

In addition to being only the best at analogies, are you also the best at taking your foot and shoving it squarely in your own mouth?

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Well I think its time the old mate toddled off.....

 

[joe444]

So just to clarify: the umpire missed the touched mark call, he missed the other umpire calling it touched, he then decided to pay a spot free after the goal because a Freo player told him he missed the call. Is that right? Fmd that stinks really bad. Poor guy must think it's the AUL or something

No touched call was made.

But I stand corrected - it did seem to brush the arm.

 

[eclipse]

Terrible umpiring and it’s cost a team the game.

Would love to get stats on the teams that have received the most of the more dubious type frees.

The insufficient attrmpt
Dissent
The rushed behind.

The frees that are purely umpires thoughts on the day.

 

[Chief]

Oof. Look at how much it deflects.

What is with the AI narration?

O/S content farms trawling even minor AFL controversies?

 

[Elixuh]

What is with the AI narration?

O/S content farms trawling even minor AFL controversies?

 

[carlton_99]

Terrible umpiring and it’s cost a team the game.

Would love to get stats on the teams that have received the most of the more dubious type frees.

The insufficient attrmpt
Dissent
The rushed behind.

The frees that are purely umpires thoughts on the day.

And so if Carlton had lost would this non-call be considered dubious as well as it potentialy costs them the game. In our F50, Luke Ryan not even looking to the ball and clearly infringing Kennedy. Or do we only focus on decisions in the last 30 seconds and just forget everything prior?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

And so if Carlton had lost would this non-call be considered dubious as well as it potentialy costs them the game. In our F50, Luke Ryan not even looking to the ball and clearly infringing Kennedy. Or do we only focus on decisions in the last 30 seconds and just forget everything prior?

Absolutely laughable that wasn't called a free.

 

[THEYSEEMEROLLIN]

Yup.. really. Since Carlton’s last flag… I was born, took my first steps, lost my virginity, got my driver’s license, finished uni, got married, had a kid. Carlton supporters should be a little humble. You haven’t achieved anything. At least in my lifetime.

This from a fan of a club that's won a solitary COVID asterisk premiership since The Beatles first world tour

 

[AflNerd22]

The reason there's so many umpires on the field is to create a force field around Carlton so they can't lose. Clearly deflected off aish and you could here it. The afl is scripted

 

[deck]

And so if Carlton had lost would this non-call be considered dubious as well as it potentialy costs them the game. In our F50, Luke Ryan not even looking to the ball and clearly infringing Kennedy. Or do we only focus on decisions in the last 30 seconds and just forget everything prior?

Supporters are giving there players too many excuses for poor errors when they blame the umpires for the loss. A missed mark at the other end also would've been enough to milk the clock down and they probably have a 2 score win.

 

[carlton_99]

Supporters are giving there players too many excuses for poor errors when they blame the umpires for the loss. A missed mark at the other end also would've been enough to milk the clock down and they probably have a 2 score win.

Umpires can definitely influence a result imo. But to evaluate quality of umpiring you can't just look at one decision in the final 30 seconds and say a team was robbed. You need to look at the prior decisions earlier in the game that may have led to the game being close in the last. A bad free kick that leads to a goal in Q1-Q3 is just as impactful as one in Q4 imo.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I never said what Clark did was acceptable. I’m saying it’s a response to a howler of a decision. He’s penalised accordingly but he doesn’t open his mouth if the correct decision is made. EVERY Freo player is calling touched. EVERY Carlton player looks sheepish.

So, my analogy is accurate. Often the biggest penalty is because of a massive mis call and the subsequent reaction to that. It’s not acceptable. There’s penalties in place. He paid the full price.

Unsure what you’re trying to suggest I’m saying. My post is what often happens in sport. It’s a reality. Not some one eyed view.

I do think the umpire could’ve taken 2 seconds to assess it all, perhaps asked him to calm down, but he blew his whistle instantly. Without knowing exactly what was said, that’s his decision. From a Freo perspective he just doubled down on the initial poor decision. That’s extremely hard to take.

I like analogies. Here’s another. It’s like taking $500 to the casino. You grind away playing safe. Work your way up to $300 having a good night. The night is about to end. So, you think I’ll just put all my profit on a bet. $300 bet and you lose. You double down and just bet the whole $500 and lose. Now you leave with nothing and lose it all in the last 2 bets. That’s what it feels like ONLY the casino is the AFL and you should never bet against the house when it comes to Carlton.

I'd have to watch it again (I might do that, what a finish!), but I don't recall EVERY Freo player calling touched. I think I saw maybe 4-5 and some of them would've been reacting purely on seeing other teammates calling for it, not because they actually saw it.
I also don't recall ANY Carlton players looking sheepish. They just wanted Cottrell to settle and go back and take his shot.

Take 2 seconds to assess? This was after the mark was paid and after the goal was kicked. I'm sure he'd been copping an earful for quite a while up to that point and had likely already told him to relax and stop a few times, but he just had to get one more jibe in after the goal. The Freo players immediately reacted and knew he'd stuffed up.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

So just to clarify: the umpire missed the touched mark call, he missed the other umpire calling it touched, he then decided to pay a spot free after the goal because a Freo player told him he missed the call. Is that right? Fmd that stinks really bad. Poor guy must think it's the AUL or something

The umpire missed a touched ball called, yes. It wasn't exactly easy to see as it glances off a Freo players shoulder very quickly after it comes off the boot in a fair bit of congestion.
I've still yet to see any evidence that one of the other umps called it touched, other than supposedly the triple m call team saying it.

As for the final dissent call, a player has never made an ump change their mind by ripping into them. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. I would say that Jordan had said multiple things to him from the moment the Cottrell mark was paid and I'm sure the ump would given him multiple warnings to let it go. He makes his way toward the ump straight after the goal was kicked and clearly gives him another mouthful.
The way that his teammates reacted as soon as he mouthed off, would seem to indicate that they knew he'd ****ed up.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Sounds like Clark should be dropped, what an absolute spanner!

Surely that's not the real Pell? Must be a parody account.

 

[T2B_]

Surely that's not the real Pell? Must be a parody account.

Looks legit from what I've seen of his account, but may be wrong. Think he's just a rather outspoken individual.