No Oppo Supporters Fremantle Do Not Contest A Game In Western Australia

[Tonga Bob]

Freo fans: tonight hurts but at least be courteous to each other while venting.

Oppostion fans or anyone out to have a crack: don't post here. You will get banned and you will get points.

 

[Quazar2]

Link please?

This I think?

 

[Madas]

This I think?

Couldn’t hear any Reid anger ?

 

[anchor man]

I remember the 2006 derby, the late season one where Freo won by 57 points in the middle of that 9 games winning streak.

Josh carr and Matt carr ganged up on Daniel Kerr. Matt Carr gave away a free kick on a wing for trying to take Daniel Kerr's head off!

We had experience and toughness in that midfield.

Are we talking one game where we gave a small amount of what they had been doing to us for 12 years?

 

[Quazar2]

Couldn’t hear any Reid anger ?

No me neither. I think Em meant more the way he brushed it off, he didn't expand on it. I doubt Fyfe really gives a hoot, as it wasn't the defining reason they lost so why does he need to dwell on some cocky upstart who's acting like a triple-time premiership player...?! Time for everyone to move on.......

 

[wakojako]

No me neither. I think Em meant more the way he brushed it off, he didn't expand on it. I doubt Fyfe really gives a hoot, as it wasn't the defining reason they lost so why does he need to dwell on some cocky upstart who's acting like a triple-time premiership player...?! Time for everyone to move on.......

Fyfe played his role, bumped Reid and kept him out of the contest. Reid took out his frustration and turfed him. He won that contest so nothing to be upset about.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

You got a better case than full stops?

You got a better case than whingeing?

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

You got a better case than whingeing?

You got a better case than full stops?

But to give you a better case: we have only had two 6 day breaks and 3 interstate games before this game

Compare to Geelong (undefeated): 3 interstate games, one 5 day break and two 6 day breaks

Compare to Adelaide (who won on the weekend): 3 interstate games and three 6 days breaks

Yeah but but but I know ...
the AFL is against us!
we can't possibly do anything because we are always treated unfairly!
the system is corrupt!

.... zzzzz

 

[Freomaniac]

Are we talking one game where we gave a small amount of what they had been doing to us for 12 years?

Well every time Josh Carr played a Derby from 2005-8, eagles fans wanted him suspended for bashing the poo out of their mids. LoL

Carr said it himself that he got more hatred in the WA derbies than the SA showdowns.

 

[MadEyeEmmy]

No me neither. I think Em meant more the way he brushed it off, he didn't expand on it. I doubt Fyfe really gives a hoot, as it wasn't the defining reason they lost so why does he need to dwell on some cocky upstart who's acting like a triple-time premiership player...?! Time for everyone to move on.......

Yeah imo it seemed like he gave a very deliberate, short answer in comparison to his answers to the other questions. I probably shouldn’t have used the word ‘livid’ because that’s not what it was. To me it felt more like a bit frosty. He would be aware that all the eagles fans are delighting in the fact that Reid pushed him over (my husband included ) and as a two-time Brownlow medallist that probably doesn’t thrill him! Hence why I said I wouldn’t be surprised to see Reid get humbled in the next Derby.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

No but you cant say that spending a fortnight in Adelaide didn't have some impact on the performance.

Why should it? Staying in Adelaide reduced our travel load.

How come other professional athletes can go on an "extended" tour and play at their best but ours go to water staying in a hotel for a little over a week?

 

[Quazar2]

Yeah imo it seemed like he gave a very deliberate, short answer in comparison to his answers to the other questions. I probably shouldn’t have used the word ‘livid’ because that’s not what it was. To me it felt more like a bit frosty. He would be aware that all the eagles fans are delighting in the fact that Reid pushed him over (my husband included ) and as a two-time Brownlow medallist that probably doesn’t thrill him! Hence why I said I wouldn’t be surprised to see Reid get humbled in the next Derby.

He wouldn't have been happy about it. But Fyfe is very measured and deliberate in what he says and composed in his articulation. For instance I would have said "Snotface's a twat and next time he does that I will knee him in the groin and relinquish him of future kids", which is why I sit here twaffling on BigNuffies and Fyfe is a millionaire football player

 

[MadEyeEmmy]

He wouldn't have been happy about it. But Fyfe is very measured and deliberate in what he says and composed in his articulation. For instance I would have said "Snotface's a twat and next time he does that I will knee him in the groin and relinquish him of future kids", which is why I sit here twaffling on BigNuffies and Fyfe is a millionaire football player

******* SAMEEEE

 

[Dockeroo]

Yeah imo it seemed like he gave a very deliberate, short answer in comparison to his answers to the other questions. I probably shouldn’t have used the word ‘livid’ because that’s not what it was. To me it felt more like a bit frosty. He would be aware that all the eagles fans are delighting in the fact that Reid pushed him over (my husband included ) and as a two-time Brownlow medallist that probably doesn’t thrill him! Hence why I said I wouldn’t be surprised to see Reid get humbled in the next Derby.

Hard to believe we let Reid strut around and bully our players on the weekend. It’s just so *in dockery.
All the hype and crap we have heard about him from the Worst etc and we still let him run around having the time of his life. FMD.

You would think a few of our guys would have looked at each other when it became evident things were not going to plan and said to themselves - well if we are gonna lose today, it’s not gonna be Harley bloody Reid that is going to beat us”

But no. We rolled out the red carpet for the 19 year old Prince of perth on his first derby and said - arise and take your throne young superstar, we are not worthy.
Ugh.

 

[RazzleDazzler]

Hard to believe we let Reid strut around and bully our players on the weekend. It’s just so *in dockery.
All the hype and crap we have heard about him from the Worst etc and we still let him run around having the time of his life. FMD.

You would think a few of our guys would have looked at each other when it became evident things were not going to plan and said to themselves - well if we are gonna lose today, it’s not gonna be Harley bloody Reid that is going to beat us”

But no. We rolled out the red carpet for the 19 year old Prince of perth on his first derby and said - arise and take your throne young superstar, we are not worthy.
Ugh.

Yes, that stings the most. We let him waltz around like King Dick and now the whole afl world is talking about how good he is.

A shame we didnt have the backbone to sit him on his ass

 

[Quazar2]

Hard to believe we let Reid strut around and bully our players on the weekend. It’s just so *in dockery.
All the hype and crap we have heard about him from the Worst etc and we still let him run around having the time of his life. FMD.

You would think a few of our guys would have looked at each other when it became evident things were not going to plan and said to themselves - well if we are gonna lose today, it’s not gonna be Harley bloody Reid that is going to beat us”

But no. We rolled out the red carpet for the 19 year old Prince of perth on his first derby and said - arise and take your throne young superstar, we are not worthy.
Ugh.

Yeah, that's one of the most disappointing aspects of that Derby, almost reverted back to type. Once it got tough early almost immediately waved the white flag - Harley & co felt that and went in for the ruthless kill. We're just too soft. Heard all about "contest contest contest" from J-Lo every damn presser yet we didn't put up one. Are we going to be the bitches of the Big Brother forever or can we finally stand up to the bully and step out the shadow?! I thought prior to Sat night's game we'd done that. It's horrendous.

In the end our winning streak was just 5, utterly galling. If we lose to Bulldogs and badly, there's going to be baying for blood for the coach here, perhaps everywhere - so J-Lo is under immense pressure now. Must win game I feel

 

[arsesmart]

Compare to Geelong (undefeated): 3 interstate games, one 5 day break and two 6 day breaks

Compare to Adelaide (who won on the weekend): 3 interstate games and three 6 days breaks

Yeah but but but I know ...
the AFL is against us!
we can't possibly do anything because we are always treated unfairly!
the system is corrupt!

.... zzzzz

It's not about whinging or conspiracies or excuses. All just labels that likely obfuscate what actually is relevant.

It's about whether something (ie fixturing... or more specifically exiting a hub) might be a factor influencing performance or not. Simple.

Coming out of "the hub" is a little difficult to produce solid evidence on because it's a bit uncommon in the AFL. I mean Melbourne came out of their two game stint in Adelaide to get thumped by Brisbane, may be an example, but I'd need to double check if they hubbed or not.

Sidestepping the fact that Adelaide actually lost on the weekend, those two examples are of something different. So don't really speak as clearly to the factors. But it'd also be silly to say (aka deny evidence) 6-day breaks don't influence performance.

I did go back and have a look at the 2020 "exiting the hub" results, where games shifted from Qld to include FIFO WA & SA and the results seemed pretty universally one sided against the teams that likely meet a criteria of exiting the hub (the one exception I did see was Melbourne smacking the Crows at AO).

Our AFLW team also put in an atypical (poor) performance after exiting their Vic hub a few years ago.

But I'd need to have more of a solid look and see what comes up.

 

[doppo]

Slight left field opinion coming - probably won't be well accepted around here but here goes. I actually think there's something to the idea that our players were flat after the hub / week in Adelaide. It's pretty clear our team has a lot of introverts - much higher than the average AFL club I would say. Buckley literally said it stood out to him in the rooms how introverted our group was.

The basic definition of introvert is - energised by down time / being alone. Exhausted from socialising and being around people. The players were probably hanging out the entire week, sharing hotel rooms, quiz nights etc. Compounded by the two devastating losses I reckon a few of our players were a bit mentally cooked by the time the derby came around.

Not saying it was THE factor for terrible derby performance, by any standard it was unacceptable, but I think it's a touch one dimensional to exclude it as potentially playing a part in the way we showed up on Sat.

 

[Quazar2]

Slight left field opinion coming - probably won't be well accepted around here but here goes. I actually think there's something to the idea that our players were flat after the hub / week in Adelaide. It's pretty clear our team has a lot of introverts - much higher than the average AFL club I would say. Buckley literally said it stood out to him in the rooms how introverted our group was.

The basic definition of introvert is - energised by down time / being alone. Exhausted from socialising and being around people. The players were probably hanging out the entire week, sharing hotel rooms, quiz nights etc. Compounded by the two devastating losses I reckon a few of our players were a bit mentally cooked by the time the derby came around.

Not saying it was THE factor for terrible derby performance, by any standard it was unacceptable, but I think it's a touch one dimensional to exclude it as potentially playing a part in the way we showed up on Sat.

It can be considered as a reason, not an excuse. The boys were back home, back in their comfortable dwellings and should have been geared up for another Derby, a game they had 'owned' the past 5 encounters. I know it's a long and arduous season, but they're professionals that train all summer for this, and these moments. They need to learn how to own moments, can't hide behind the young and inexperienced tag forever. Should have been buoyed by the fact we pushed 2 premiership contenders close and held their own, forgetting about the results. Obviously losing leaves anyone flat, but this past Sat night's Dur-bee was the soapbox to yelp a warcry instead of limping around like one-legged chickens clucking panic!

Let's hope it's an aberration. If it's not, the psychological damage could completely unhinge the season. It's squeaky balls time

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Slight left field opinion coming - probably won't be well accepted around here but here goes. I actually think there's something to the idea that our players were flat after the hub / week in Adelaide. It's pretty clear our team has a lot of introverts - much higher than the average AFL club I would say. Buckley literally said it stood out to him in the rooms how introverted our group was.

The basic definition of introvert is - energised by down time / being alone. Exhausted from socialising and being around people. The players were probably hanging out the entire week, sharing hotel rooms, quiz nights etc. Compounded by the two devastating losses I reckon a few of our players were a bit mentally cooked by the time the derby came around.

Not saying it was THE factor for terrible derby performance, by any standard it was unacceptable, but I think it's a touch one dimensional to exclude it as potentially playing a part in the way we showed up on Sat.

They were off and played poorly, frankly as a younger team they were due and I said similar before the game. I didn’t think they could be THAT off to be honest because I was convinced our defence was so good it would be enough but WC with the 2 KPDs firing, Yeo and Reid are a decent bottom 8 team.

We can blame whatever but it is what it is, they have to turn it around this week or season starts being ****ed. I am very concerned we can’t without Jye who we now seem to rely on an absurd amount.

Also, to continue my own whining, the umpires were absolutely shithouse, we were just worse

 

[Yeti]

They were off and played poorly, frankly as a younger team they were due and I said similar before the game. I didn’t think they could be THAT off to be honest because I was convinced our defence was so good it would be enough but WC with the 2 KPDs firing, Yeo and Reid are a decent bottom 8 team.

We can blame whatever but it is what it is, they have to turn it around this week or season starts being ****ed. I am very concerned we can’t without Jye who we now seem to rely on an absurd amount.

Also, to continue my own whining, the umpires were absolutely shithouse, we were just worse

Sure, but can we change the thread title now?

 

[trentjac]

This I think?

What a polished interview. Make no mistakes, Fyfey is still a leader of this club and speaks far more coherent than most on our team including the coaching panel. Hope he can stay fit for the rest of the year as he is building his form

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

It's not about whinging or conspiracies or excuses. All just labels that likely obfuscate what actually is relevant.

It's about whether something (ie fixturing... or more specifically exiting a hub) might be a factor influencing performance or not. Simple.

Coming out of "the hub" is a little difficult to produce solid evidence on because it's a bit uncommon in the AFL. I mean Melbourne came out of their two game stint in Adelaide to get thumped by Brisbane, may be an example, but I'd need to double check if they hubbed or not.

Sidestepping the fact that Adelaide actually lost on the weekend, those two examples are of something different. So don't really speak as clearly to the factors. But it'd also be silly to say (aka deny evidence) 6-day breaks don't influence performance.

I did go back and have a look at the 2020 "exiting the hub" results, where games shifted from Qld to include FIFO WA & SA and the results seemed pretty universally one sided against the teams that likely meet a criteria of exiting the hub (the one exception I did see was Melbourne smacking the Crows at AO).

Our AFLW team also put in an atypical (poor) performance after exiting their Vic hub a few years ago.

But I'd need to have more of a solid look and see what comes up.

You're right re Adelaide : I looked at the previous week's result.

But how come Geelong can play just as many interstate games. And have more short weeks that us. And yet not fall into a heap.

Our fixture hasn't been brutal. Its been relatively normal. If we can't cope with two 6 day breaks out of 6 games ... If we can't cope with three interstate games of out of 6 ... then we ain't going to make it.

Throwing up your hands on fixturing and umpiring just makes you blind to real deep seated problems with the way we pick the side and the way we play.

We lost Saturday because of the way we played, the opportunities we wasted, and our inability to win 1-on-1 contests. Not because we played in Adelaide two weeks in a row.

 

[sdfc]

If we couldn't beat WC because we had a couple of tough weeks in Adelaide, where we actually played pretty well, then we are going nowhere.

 

[WhoneedsMcLeod]

It's not about whinging or conspiracies or excuses. All just labels that likely obfuscate what actually is relevant.

It's about whether something (ie fixturing... or more specifically exiting a hub) might be a factor influencing performance or not. Simple.

Coming out of "the hub" is a little difficult to produce solid evidence on because it's a bit uncommon in the AFL. I mean Melbourne came out of their two game stint in Adelaide to get thumped by Brisbane, may be an example, but I'd need to double check if they hubbed or not.

Sidestepping the fact that Adelaide actually lost on the weekend, those two examples are of something different. So don't really speak as clearly to the factors. But it'd also be silly to say (aka deny evidence) 6-day breaks don't influence performance.

I did go back and have a look at the 2020 "exiting the hub" results, where games shifted from Qld to include FIFO WA & SA and the results seemed pretty universally one sided against the teams that likely meet a criteria of exiting the hub (the one exception I did see was Melbourne smacking the Crows at AO).

Our AFLW team also put in an atypical (poor) performance after exiting their Vic hub a few years ago.

But I'd need to have more of a solid look and see what comes up.

We were 10 goals down at one point in a derby against the laughing stock of the comp.
Harden up.

 

[Freofalcon]

We were 10 goals down at one point in a derby against the laughing stock of the comp.
Harden up.

We are the laughing stock of the comp.

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