2nds 2023 Adelaide Crows SANFL thread

[Bearded Clam]

30 ? ....no trainers, massagers, physio's, doctors ? .....no accommodation

$400 K Budget for 22 rounds ?

We'll agree to disagree

Why 22 rounds?.. there’s only be 11 away games.

and why the double up on all the staff?..

you’d play the afl reserves game as a curtin raiser to the AFL game.. mirror the AFL fixture.

use the same trainers, massagers, physio‘s, doctors..

 

[Redline]

Why 22 rounds?.. there’s only be 11 away games.

and why the double up on all the staff?..

you’d play the afl reserves game as a curtin raiser to the AFL game.. mirror the AFL fixture.

use the same trainers, massagers, physio‘s, doctors..

No chance of a big increase in curtain raisers. Stadiums cost alot to open. That's a bigger cost than flying the team around.

 

[Redline]

I don't think it will make a difference to player development but it removes the excuse which is a good thing.

 

[Magma]

Not sure what it means for the future of the SANFL, the Crows annual licence fee and TV rights are based on Port and Crows being involved (as they attract the most ratings) which keeps clubs like West and South Adelaide surviving.

nothing, the afl will always need the work that state leagues and community clubs put into kids to do the leg work for the afl clubs.

 

[1970crow]

30 ? ....no trainers, massagers, physio's, doctors ? .....no accommodation

$400 K Budget for 22 rounds ?

We'll agree to disagree

The specialised roles will already be there for the AFL side and anything non-specialised ie running water, you'd just employ a local resource. I'm sure the AFL could do something in terms of providing a pool of available workers.

 

[Soggy2112]

While obviously a great move that would benefit us significantly, it's a bit rich for the "established in 1870" club to keep telling us about their rich history when they're looking to ditch all of that when it doesn't suit them

They’ve been doing it for years

 

[Geoffa32]

Good test for Olsen here.

Moving to the VFL/AFL Reserves is the best outcome for the club. Will be playing against other AFL listed players more regularly, and umpires in the AFL umpire training ground.

Plus consolidation of match day costs, if these games can be played as curtain raisers.



Despite the "No AFL in SANFL" brigade, us leaving would be a big hit. $400k off the bat, plus loss in TV revenue. Also the fairy tale belief that the SANFL is the second best comp (it isn't VFL/AFL Reserves is) will be gone.


Time to see where Olsen stands ......

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[Redline]

Good test for Olsen here.

Moving to the VFL/AFL Reserves is the best outcome for the club. Will be playing against other AFL listed players more regularly, and umpires in the AFL umpire training ground.

Plus consolidation of match day costs, if these games can be played as curtain raisers.



Despite the "No AFL in SANFL" brigade, us leaving would be a big hit. $400k off the bat, plus loss in TV revenue. Also the fairy tale belief that the SANFL is the second best comp (it isn't VFL/AFL Reserves is) will be gone.


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I think we will move when Port and the others do but prefering to not lead on this one. It will happen when the AFL wants it to happen. It won't be the clubs or SANFL's choice.

Kochie suggesting their player development has been impacted just comes accross as an excuse.

I don't think it has had any impact but I get that a reserves comp is the ideal scenario.

 

[Mostyn]

1. Kids against Kids benefits no-one ....VFL standard is poor ....no development improvement foreseeable

2 / 3 / 4 .....just an emotional response, which I don't get
It's been posted infinitum on this board ....winning & a premiership were a distant gap behind having all our players together & playing the Crows gamestyle

Prove to me where the umpiring will be better ....how many VFL games did you watch this year .....any ?

5. Travel experience .....at what cost to have a reserves team travelling all over Australia ....I estimate the Club won't get change out of a Million $$

The kids get travel experience now, having to go to Noarlunga & Elizabeth

6. This is laughable, I'm sorry ....everyone said when the SANFL Crows started, they would go .....the Club offered free access for members .....no-one goes, no-one will go

7 & 8 ....not a great business case for all the extra expenditure & zero player development ....when the reality is people are simply P***ed at the SANFL & Umpires ......not a good reason

I enjoy the fact that you really march to the beat of your own drum. Even if it's sometimes a weird beat ...

 

[El Doederino]

nothing, the afl will always need the work that state leagues and community clubs put into kids to do the leg work for the afl clubs.

The AFL wants the SANFL to become AFL-SA

The SANFL wants to maintain the independence

The AFL is not going to help the SANFL until it gives up that control

 

[Mostyn]

This is really exciting.

 

[El Doederino]

I have no affection for the SANFL. Never really had a team. Couldn’t give a stuff if they just role into being a premier league attached to the amateurs.

But if we’re contracted to play through to 2028, then no reason to cause a fuss and break that. We’ll get full control of our license by then and can plan for a smooth transition.

It’s such a non issue anyway. Ports just full of excuses. Even though playing AFL reserves is preferable, I wouldn’t waste a cent or a second of time bothering trying to reneg on deals to do it any quicker.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The specialised roles will already be there for the AFL side and anything non-specialised ie running water, you'd just employ a local resource. I'm sure the AFL could do something in terms of providing a pool of available workers.

Are you assuming the reserves side will always be playing as a curtain raiser to an AFL game ?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I enjoy the fact that you really march to the beat of your own drum. Even if it's sometimes a weird beat ...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Was the original deal for 15 years?

 

[Redline]

Not sure what it means for the future of the SANFL, the Crows annual licence fee and TV rights are based on Port and Crows being involved (as they attract the most ratings) which keeps clubs like West and South Adelaide surviving.

The downside are things like TV coverage but games are streamed. If Seven pay at all it would be minimal but losing free to air coverage is not ideal. Also the SANFl lose the licence fees.

On the plus side it allows the comp to find its place and identity. Most major sporting codes have what I would call a semi.pro league. A comp between the pros and local amateurs. That's where the SANFL fits and they have a huge role in junior development and women's football. The SAAFL or AFL couldn't take that on.

The level of interest in a reserves comp will be very minimal. The SANFL will offer a product different to that, remains to be seen how well the do it.

I think in the long run it will be a good thing for the SANFL comp and clubs. Not suggesting people will flock to games but it gives them a chance to really position themselves in the football landscape.

 

[Scorpus]

The downside are things like TV coverage but games are streamed. If Seven pay at all it would be minimal but losing free to air coverage is not ideal. Also the SANFl lose the licence fees.

On the plus side it allows the comp to find its place and identity. Most major sporting codes have what I would call a semi.pro league. A comp between the pros and local amateurs. That's where the SANFL fits and they have a huge role in junior development and women's football. The SAAFL or AFL couldn't take that on.

The level of interest in a reserves comp will be very minimal. The SANFL will offer a product different to that, remains to be seen how well the do it.

I think in the long run it will be a good thing for the SANFL comp and clubs. Not suggesting people will flock to games but it gives them a chance to really position themselves in the football landscape.

I think the opposite. Long term I see interest in sport converging to both top level pro sports, and local amateur club level.

The breadth and access to top level support has increased substantially over the years. International leagues are easier to watch than ever. Sports that previously weren't being broadcast are now streamed. Women's sport is a thing that adds more options.

When the goal isn't vieiwing entertainment and it's more about playing, community and participating that's when the amateur local clubs have a place. You get around your friends and family at local level.

The leagues in the middle will be sqeeuezed out and left to existing fans of those clubs. I'm not sure they'll be able to carve a niche attracting new fans when teenagers today are having their attention pulled by multiple top level international and national sports. Let alone other forms of entertainment including gaming and esports.

A national reserves league being viewed doesn't matter because it's funded by the top pro teams as a means for development. Can a mid-tier semi-pro league survive purely on its merits with no similar funding structure?

 

[GameofSloanes]

Can't wait for this to happen, good on Port for forcing the issue
SANFL can't bleat about us leaving whilst simultaneously punishing us for being in their comp. They never wanted us in the first place. Too late for 2024, let's make it happen for 25

 

[Magma]

both reserves sides have by and large been competitive in their time in the comp, and downturns usually coincided with injury problems. how does jumping to a new comp fix this?

 

[feenix67]

Being a sturt supporter since the early 70s, I have an affinity with the SANFL not shared by later generations. That said, the league has not done enough to ensure it is a legitimate semi pro league and has wasted the opportunities its been given through the grandfathering involved in the move to the AFL.

I feel like football at local level needs to be consolidated. We don't need leagues all over the place. It's wasteful and dilutes junior development pathways.

I hate to say it, but I'd rather see the Crows be all in in the AFL, with a 2nds team in a reserves comp. I also hope it leads to the rationalisation of the local football landscape.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

both reserves sides have by and large been competitive in their time in the comp, and downturns usually coincided with injury problems. how does jumping to a new comp fix this?

This !

The support for leaving the SANFL appears more to be an emotive call, rather than a logical call ......a reason being, we'll get better umpires, makes no business sense

I read today about Ports push ....."there's potential for improved player development"

The use of the word "potential" simply implies improved player development is not the tent pole in this discussion

 

[Magma]

This !

The support for leaving the SANFL appears more to be an emotive call, rather than a logical call ......a reason being, we'll get better umpires, makes no business sense

I read today about Ports push ....."there's potential for improved player development"

The use of the word "potential" simply implies improved player development is not the tent pole in this discussion

i just love the belief of how leaving the big bad sanfl to go to the loving arms of the afl who have looked after adelaide so well over the years is an automatic improvement and cannot possibly fail.

 

[Jibroni]

The downside are things like TV coverage but games are streamed. If Seven pay at all it would be minimal but losing free to air coverage is not ideal. Also the SANFl lose the licence fees.

On the plus side it allows the comp to find its place and identity. Most major sporting codes have what I would call a semi.pro league. A comp between the pros and local amateurs. That's where the SANFL fits and they have a huge role in junior development and women's football. The SAAFL or AFL couldn't take that on.

The level of interest in a reserves comp will be very minimal. The SANFL will offer a product different to that, remains to be seen how well the do it.

I think in the long run it will be a good thing for the SANFL comp and clubs. Not suggesting people will flock to games but it gives them a chance to really position themselves in the football landscape.

I can see the AFL reserves taking the best talent from the SANFL which will devalue the competition as the AFL have shown little interest in supporting the state leagues. I have never been a fan of the Crows reserves and wish the previous system (AFL players tied to SANFL teams) was still in play; perhaps in hindsight the clubs needed more time/be more supportive of the Crows and Power needs.

Getting young people interested in SANFL has been an ongoing challenge; I go to most North games and most regular attendees would be over 45 with the exception some young families. The league needs to find a way to engage with younger fans.

 

[1990crow]

The standard of VFL being worse than SANFL is bullshit. Just look at where mature talent gets drafted from, more mature players drafted from the VFL than any other league, many of which come from AFL reserves teams. You'd also be much more likely to face AFL standard depth players that are on AFL lists.

And that's right now. A national reserves competition with less restrictive list rules would be the destination for mature talent looking to get on an AFL list

Saying it's "emotional" that our player development would benefit from a legitimate competitive environment (rather than a rigged league like the SANFL) and that our players wouldn't benefit from much better top-ups is also bullshit. Our players are actively undermined by the umpires which makes it harder to learn our gameplan that wouldn't be hamstrung so hard at AFL level (even with its poor level of umpiring). And the quality of top-ups we are forced to have hurts our ability to develop our game plan because some of them are legitimately hopeless

The extra expenditure would be offset by us not having to pay the SANFL to play in it. We pay a license fee of $400,000 per year, which is more than enough to cover flights for 40 individuals across 11 away rounds.

Also forgetting the TV rights for a national reserves competition could pay for the travel and stadium expenses.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

The extra expenditure would be offset by us not having to pay the SANFL to play in it. We pay a license fee of $400,000 per year, which is more than enough to cover flights for 40 individuals across 11 away rounds.

Just a question. Do we still pay this fee. I thought it was made redundant a few years back.
Port don't pay anything I believe.
We must have had some smart negotiator working for us at the time compared to PA's deal.