Draft Watcher SMYTHE's 2024 Draft Thread

[Smythe]

By the way, not having a crack at you. It's a question for all draft watchers/experts. On what do you base your rankings: how good they are now or how good you project them to be?

I know you are not having a crack, and I understand what you mean, and the question.

When you asked "So you are ranking them as under-18 players not prospective AFL players?", i answered with "not necessarily", which i see your confusion in.

This is what i mean....

My first rankings of the year are usually my assessment and ordering of draftable players based on their skills and performance so far against others of the same draft. That includes players that are currently injured, I rank them based on previous output.

Once the Aus games are done and the champs have concluded I will evaluate their physical attributes, performance against bigger bodies and other draftees at the champs level, previous combine results (to a degree) and overall potential.

So currently, (the start of the year) it is how I rate them against each other to this point this year.

The next rankings, now the Aus games are done, and the big board (once the champs are done) that is when the rankings will represent how I see their future standings.

So, any big boards after this first one will represent how I see their career trajectory.
Hope that clears it up a bit.

 

[blueiris]

Okay, I'm just trying to get an idea of what the rankings mean. Do they mean that at this point you think Smillie, Ashcroft, Draper and Moraes will be better AFL players than O'Sullivan? Or do you think they are better players right now?

Which of the Top 4 do you believe shouldn’t be there ?

 

[Futbolista]

I know you are not having a crack, and I understand what you mean, and the question.

When you asked "So you are ranking them as under-18 players not prospective AFL players?", i answered with "not necessarily", which i see your confusion in.

This is what i mean....

My first rankings of the year are usually my assessment and ordering of draftable players based on their skills and performance so far against others of the same draft. That includes players that are currently injured, I rank them based on previous output.

Once the Aus games are done and the champs have concluded I will evaluate their physical attributes, performance against bigger bodies and other draftees at the champs level, previous combine results (to a degree) and overall potential.

So currently, (the start of the year) it is how I rate them against each other to this point this year.

The next rankings, now the Aus games are done, and the big board (once the champs are done) that is when the rankings will represent how I see their future standings.

So, any big boards after this first one will represent how I see their career trajectory.
Hope that clears it up a bit.

Won't you be watching SANFL, Vic and WAFL finals also just to be sure?

 

[Smythe]

Won't you be watching SANFL, Vic and WAFL finals also just to be sure?

Absolutely, always do, that's a given. I watch whatever I can get my hands on throughout the year and go to whatever I can get to.

 

[Mister_Football]

Which of the Top 4 do you believe shouldn’t be there ?

Well, for starters I think O'Sullivan is a clear #1. It evens out after that to my eye thus far. I could have Lalor and Smith ahead of Moraes, possibly Welsh too. I'm not sure I'm sold on Smillie, goes to ground a bit. Like Smythe says we'll learn more as the season progresses.

 

[blueiris]

Are there any players that weren’t pick in last year’s draft that are definitely a chance of getting drafted in the Mid-season draft

 

[Smythe]

Are there any players that weren’t pick in last year’s draft that are definitely a chance of getting drafted in the Mid-season

Dayten Uerata
Joe Pike
Oskar Smartt
Will McLachlan
Ben Hopkins - Slight chance

 

[Shinrisker]

EARLY TOP 40 RANKINGS

1. JOSH SMILLIE
2. LEVI ASHCROFT
3. SID DRAPER
4. CHRISTIAN MORAES
5. FINN O'SULLIVAN
6. JAGGA SMITH
7. BEN CAMPOREALE
8. JOE BERRY
9. LUKE TRAINOR
10. LEO LOMBARD
11. TAJ HOTTON
12. TYLER WELSH
13. JACK WHITLOCK
14. TOBIE TRAVAGLIA
15. TOM GROSS
16. HARRY O'FARRELL
17. LUCAS CAMPOREALE
18. HARVEY LANGFORD
19. NOAH MRAZ
20. NATH SULZBERGER
21. SAM MARSHALL
22. JOSH MURPHY
23. MURPHY REID
24. ZACH JOHNSON
25. JONTY FAULL
26. BO ALLAN
27. JOBE SHANAHAN
28. XAVIER LINDSEY
29. SAM CUMMING
30. LACHIE JAQUES
31. COOPER HYNES (DS)
32. JESS DATTOLI
33. HARRY CHARLESON
34. THOMAS SIMS
35. LUCAS MCINERNEY
36. PHEONIX HARGRAVE
37. JAYDEN NGUYEN
38. XAVIER IVISIC
39. KAYLE GERRYN
40. LUKE URQUHART

Saw this on another draft ranking as well, I thought Sam Cumming was an underager?

 

[Smythe]

Saw this on another draft ranking as well, I thought Sam Cumming was an underager?

Yeah he is, my first rankings was a bit rushed, I left 3 players out as well. But my next rankings will be out tomorrow night.

 

[Wild Bill]

Well, for starters I think O'Sullivan is a clear #1. It evens out after that to my eye thus far. I could have Lalor and Smith ahead of Moraes, possibly Welsh too. I'm not sure I'm sold on Smillie, goes to ground a bit. Like Smythe says we'll learn more as the season progresses.

Smille game on the weekend was huge. IMO he is the clear 1.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Smille game on the weekend was huge. IMO he is the clear 1.

Is your club going to consider drafting a key defender this year? Just for the novelty.

 

[Wild Bill]

Is your club going to consider drafting a key defender this year? Just for the novelty.

We did last year.

But Smille is a huge POD in our midfield.

 

[Mister_Football]

Smille game on the weekend was huge. IMO he is the clear 1.

I can see why people think that. I'll stick with O'Sullivan, though.

 

[Wild Bill]

I can see why people think that. I'll stick with O'Sullivan, though.

Twomey has him 1 and his best fit being Richmond. Can't see the Tigers trading up to get 1.

We don't need an 182cm mid.

 

[Mister_Football]

Twomey has him 1 and his best fit being Richmond. Can't see the Tigers trading up to get 1.

We don't need an 182cm mid.

Yes, he's a good fit for North. Richmond would be mad to waste draft picks to get him when they can have O'Sullivan.

 

[blueiris]

Yes, he's a good fit for North. Richmond would be mad to waste draft picks to get him when they can have O'Sullivan.

Only last week he had Ashcroft at pick 1 he seems to change he’s mind like a girl changing clothes

 

[Mister_Football]

Only last week he had Ashcroft at pick 1 he seems to change he’s mind like a girl changing clothes

Who? Wild Bill or Caldum?

 

[blueiris]

Who? Wild Bill or Caldum?

Cal Twomey

 

[Smythe]

New Top 50 Rankings

1. Josh Smillie
2. Levi Ashcroft
3. Finn O'Sullivan
4. Sid Draper
5. Luke Trainor
6. Christian Moraes
7. Jagga Smith
8. Taj Hotton
9. Tyler Welsh
10. Joe Berry
11. Ben Camporeale
12. Leo Lombard
13. Tom Gross
14. Tobie Travaglia
15. Murphy Reid
16. Sam Lalor
17. Jack Whitlock
18. Harry O'Farrell
19. Jobe Shanahan
20. Bailey McKenzie
21. Matt Whitlock
22. Bo Allan
23. Zac Johnson
24. Harvey Langford
25. Cody Anderson
26. Jonty Faull
27. Noah Mraz
28. Xavier Lindsey
29. Nath Sulzberger
30. Lucas Camporeale
31. Jess Dattoli
32. Josh Murphy
33. Lachie Jaques
34. Sam Marshall
35. Kayle Gerreyn
36. Tom Sims
37. Charlie Nicholls
38. Joel Cochran
39. Oliver Warburton
40. Malachi Champion
41. Archer Day-Wicks
42. Pheonix Hargrave
43. Luke Urquhart
44. Isaac Kako
45. Xavier Ivisic
46. Cooper Hynes (D.S)
47. Taj Stanley
48. Nash King
49. Austin Van Der Struyf
50. Zac McInnes

 

[THE_GUN]

Has Leo Lombard been poor

he was looking like a to 5 prospect last year

 

[_RT_]

New Top 50 Rankings

1. Josh Smillie
2. Levi Ashcroft
3. Finn O'Sullivan
4. Sid Draper
5. Luke Trainor
6. Christian Moraes
7. Jagga Smith
8. Taj Hotton
9. Tyler Welsh
10. Joe Berry
11. Ben Camporeale
12. Leo Lombard
13. Tom Gross
14. Tobie Travaglia
15. Murphy Reid
16. Sam Lalor
17. Jack Whitlock
18. Harry O'Farrell
19. Jobe Shanahan
20. Bailey McKenzie
21. Matt Whitlock
22. Bo Allan
23. Zac Johnson
24. Harvey Langford
25. Cody Anderson
26. Jonty Faull
27. Noah Mraz
28. Xavier Lindsey
29. Nath Sulzberger
30. Lucas Camporeale
31. Jess Dattoli
32. Josh Murphy
33. Lachie Jaques
34. Sam Marshall
35. Kayle Gerreyn
36. Tom Sims
37. Charlie Nicholls
38. Joel Cochran
39. Oliver Warburton
40. Malachi Champion
41. Archer Day-Wicks
42. Pheonix Hargrave
43. Luke Urquhart
44. Isaac Kako
45. Xavier Ivisic
46. Cooper Hynes (D.S)
47. Taj Stanley
48. Nash King
49. Austin Van Der Struyf
50. Zac McInnes

On those rankings and Richmonds possible draft hand, the Whitlock boys , Shanahan Faull & Mraz would be right in the mix for our late R1/early R2 picks. Would help establish our long term spine along side Balta Gibcus Ryan Miller & Lefau

 

[botts]

New Top 50 Rankings

1. Josh Smillie
2. Levi Ashcroft
3. Finn O'Sullivan
4. Sid Draper
5. Luke Trainor
6. Christian Moraes
7. Jagga Smith
8. Taj Hotton
9. Tyler Welsh
10. Joe Berry
11. Ben Camporeale
12. Leo Lombard
13. Tom Gross
14. Tobie Travaglia
15. Murphy Reid
16. Sam Lalor
17. Jack Whitlock
18. Harry O'Farrell
19. Jobe Shanahan
20. Bailey McKenzie
21. Matt Whitlock
22. Bo Allan
23. Zac Johnson
24. Harvey Langford
25. Cody Anderson
26. Jonty Faull
27. Noah Mraz
28. Xavier Lindsey
29. Nath Sulzberger
30. Lucas Camporeale
31. Jess Dattoli
32. Josh Murphy
33. Lachie Jaques
34. Sam Marshall
35. Kayle Gerreyn
36. Tom Sims
37. Charlie Nicholls
38. Joel Cochran
39. Oliver Warburton
40. Malachi Champion
41. Archer Day-Wicks
42. Pheonix Hargrave
43. Luke Urquhart
44. Isaac Kako
45. Xavier Ivisic
46. Cooper Hynes (D.S)
47. Taj Stanley
48. Nash King
49. Austin Van Der Struyf
50. Zac McInnes

Cooper June’s at 46. Il take that every day

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Is there another Cooper Hynes?

 

[botts]

Is there another Cooper Hynes?

Two I think. The Dandenong stingrays captain is who I’m referring to

 

[Smythe]

Has Leo Lombard been poor

he was looking like a to 5 prospect last year

No he has not been poor at all, however, he (for me) has stayed the same.
Clean, neat and a very good little player. You know what you are going to get with Leo.
Others have improved in certain areas and have shown a new diversity in their game and this is around the mark for me with Leo.
Josh, Finn (with what we have seen prior to this year) and Jagga are showing why they should be top 5 picks with their midfield wares, Levi slots into that group a little bit too, but can go forward and back and is super consistent if not a little selfish with his game style, Christian is super quick and has a burst from stoppage like not many others and can run all day up the wings.
Luke is showing everyone what I already knew he could do (as I stated at the start of the year) and is getting better as the year progresses, Sid I have always rated higher, and when he starts playing again, he will build his year, Taj and Joe are both quick, slippery and kicking bags of goals, Tyler is a point of difference forward playing similar to Fogarty of Adelaide at the moment; therefore Leo's place on my rankings is about within the next 2 or 3, which as it stands is 12.
I think he has great football IQ and ball use, is unselfish and does the 1%'s, he is a super player and i think he is set for the 7-15 range.