F1 F1 2024 thread

[skam85]

What is the counter argument, apart from being against change in general ?

It's very much participation award territory.
Historical points totals are tarnished already moving from top 6 to 8 to 10.

10 is fine. It gives motivation for teams to push to improve and be regular points finishers.

It's great when someone like a Haas sneaks into 9th or 10th, look at Hulk/Kmag in Jeddah when Magnussen was playing mobile chicane for the team just so Hulk could get a point.

You won't have energy like that anymore when literally every driver is rewarded for getting to the finish line, which let's face it, with today's reliability is very very common anyway.

 

[Barrybran]

It's very much participation award territory.
Historical points totals are tarnished already moving from top 6 to 8 to 10.

10 is fine. It gives motivation for teams to push to improve and be regular points finishers.

It's great when someone like a Haas sneaks into 9th or 10th, look at Hulk/Kmag in Jeddah when Magnussen was playing mobile chicane for the team just so Hulk could get a point.

You won't have energy like that anymore when literally every driver is rewarded for getting to the finish line, which let's face it, with today's reliability is very very common anyway.

The opposite will happen. You think points are valuable now? Imagine if finishing 13th instead of 14th actually means something.

 

[Tandy]

Wouldn't mind seeing Vandoorne get another crack at it.

 

[ReidBetweenTheLines]

Good news for F1 fans. Another 5 years of the best driver in the best car would have been intolerable.

Newley should do something fun and go work for Sauber or Williams. He’s surely got enough money so mix things up a bit.

 

[happy_eagle]

Will likely leave F1 without that podium.
Although people are saying he could be in Audi in 2026 if they want a German driver (really scraping the barrel for German drivers)

 

[gaskin]

Will likely leave F1 without that podium.
Although people are saying he could be in Audi in 2026 if they want a German driver (really scraping the barrel for German drivers)

The reports were accurate.

 

[happy_eagle]

The reports were accurate.

Bottas or Zhou to leave ?

 

[MKMatty]

Bottas or Zhou to leave ?

My money is on both with Sainz completing the Sauber/Audi lineup.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Hulk getting gifted a drive based on a below average career.

 

[Black_White]

Interesting discussion re points

Everybody gets a ribbon!
Welcome to the 21st century where everyone’s a winner. No matter how bad they are…

 

[Black_White]

What is the counter argument, apart from being against change in general ?

Stroll will get points.
That’s surely enough to kybosh any talk of points for all.

 

[Tandy]

Id prefer the likes of Hulk and kmag out of F1. Not exactly Alonso. Want some new talent.

 

[Barrybran]

Id prefer the likes of Hulk and kmag out of F1. Not exactly Alonso. Want some new talent.

Interestingly, I think Hulk moving on might save KMag as he will be a solid veteran to have around while Ollie Bearman learns the ropes.

 

[Vader]

Interestingly, I think Hulk moving on might save KMag as he will be a solid veteran to have around while Ollie Bearman learns the ropes.

With Bottas & Zhou likely getting kicked out of Sauber, maybe Haas might look at one of them as a KMag replacement?

It appears likely that we'll see several new drivers in 2025 - Bearman (Haas), Antonelli (Mercedes), Lawson (RB). With 3 new drivers coming in, that means 3 old drivers going out. Logan Sergeant is almost certain to lose his seat.

That leaves 2 more drivers who will be left standing when the music stops, and all of the remaining seats are filled. At this time, the most obvious candidates are Ricciardo & KMag. It's becoming increasingly difficult to justify either of them holding onto their positions on the grid in 2025. Ricciardo still has time to turn it around, though I think that's unlikely. KMag's number is almost certainly up.

 

[Barrybran]

With Bottas & Zhou likely getting kicked out of Sauber, maybe Haas might look at one of them as a KMag replacement?

It appears likely that we'll see several new drivers in 2025 - Bearman (Haas), Antonelli (Mercedes), Lawson (RB). With 3 new drivers coming in, that means 3 old drivers going out. Logan Sergeant is almost certain to lose his seat.

That leaves 2 more drivers who will be left standing when the music stops, and all of the remaining seats are filled. At this time, the most obvious candidates are Ricciardo & KMag. It's becoming increasingly difficult to justify either of them holding onto their positions on the grid in 2025. Ricciardo still has time to turn it around, though I think that's unlikely. KMag's number is almost certainly up.

I agree with your logic but are Haas likely to replace KMag with Ricciardo or Bottas? I think it is more likely that KMag stays for now.

 

[Vader]

I agree with your logic but are Haas likely to replace KMag with Ricciardo or Bottas? I think it is more likely that KMag stays for now.

Bottas has plenty of experience, which is what they want.

... and (unlike Ricciardo) he's not completely washed up. Every chance Bottas lands there.

As for KMag... why bother?

 

[happy_eagle]

If Daniel doesn't turn it around at RB, I don't think he will be getting a seat elsewhere, that will be it for him.

 

[Tandy]

Interestingly, I think Hulk moving on might save KMag as he will be a solid veteran to have around while Ollie Bearman learns the ropes.

Is Bearman confirmed at Haas or just chat atm?

 

[gaskin]

Is Bearman confirmed at Haas or just chat atm?

Chat. Haas haven't said yet who will be taking Hulks seat.

 

[Vader]

Is Bearman confirmed at Haas or just chat atm?

The only confirmed moves so far are:
Hamilton -> Ferrari (Sainz out)
Hulkenberg -> Sauber

Everything else, so far, is speculation.

 

[gaskin]

Apparently one of the reasons Newey is leaving and is so pissed about the Horner thing is the woman was his PA as well.

 

[Tandy]

Chat. Haas haven't said yet who will be taking Hulks seat.

The only confirmed moves so far are:
Hamilton -> Ferrari (Sainz out)
Hulkenberg -> Sauber

Everything else, so far, is speculation.

Was hoping Bearman would end up in a more competitive car but I guess at this stage it's just about getting on the grid and building from There.

Apparently one of the reasons Newey is leaving and is so pissed about the Horner thing is the woman was his PA as well.

Would like to see Newey take on a bigger challenge. Working with Vowels at Williams to restore them to where they should be.

 

[Not Important]

Good news for F1 fans. Another 5 years of the best driver in the best car would have been intolerable.

Newley should do something fun and go work for Sauber or Williams. He’s surely got enough money so mix things up a bit.

except red bull have said it's bs.

 

[Not Important]

 

[happy_eagle]

Hopefully that 25% includes his son