Under Age 2025 AFL Draft General Discussion

[Lore]

The 2023 AFL National Development Championships – U16 Boys will begin with a clash between Victoria Country and Victoria Metro on Saturday, June 10 during the King’s Birthday weekend in Victoria.

The first round of fixtures will be played across four states, before all ten teams converge on the Gold Coast where the final two rounds will be played from July 3 to July 7.

The 2023 AFL National Championships – U18 Girls will again feature six teams. Queensland, South Australia, Victoria Country, Victoria Metro and Western Australia will all field teams, along with the Allies, which will comprise players from New South Wales, ACT, Northern Territory and Tasmania.

2023 AFL National Development Championships – U16 Boys​

Teams: Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast Suns, GWS Giants, Northern Territory, South Australia, Victoria Country, Victoria Metro, Sydney Swans Academy, Tasmania and Western Australia

DATE	HOME TEAM	AWAY TEAM	VENUE
Sat, June 10	Victoria Country	Victoria Metro	IKON Park, VIC
Sat, June 17	GWS GIANTS Academy	Sydney Swans Academy	Blacktown Int. Sportspark, NSW
Sat, June 24	Northern Territory	Tasmania	Highgate Rec. Reserve, VIC
Sun, June 25	Western Australia	South Australia	TBC, WA
Sun, June 25	Brisbane Lions	GC SUNS Academy	Brighton Homes Arena, QLD
Mon, July 3	GC SUNS Academy	Tasmania	Heritage Bank Stadium, QLD
Mon, July 3	GWS GIANTS Academy	Northern Territory	Heritage Bank Stadium, QLD
Mon, July 3	Brisbane Lions	Sydney Swans	Heritage Bank Stadium, QLD
Tue, July 4	Victoria Metro	Western Australia	Heritage Bank Stadium, QLD
Tue, July 4	Victoria Country	South Australia	Heritage Bank Stadium, QLD
Thu, July 6	Tasmania	GWS GIANTS Academy	Fankhauser Reserve, QLD
Thu, July 6	GC SUNS Academy	Sydney Swans Academy	Fankhauser Reserve, QLD
Thu, July 6	Northern Territory	Brisbane Lions Academy	Fankhauser Reserve, QLD
Fri, July 7	South Australia	Victoria Metro	Fankhauser Reserve, QLD
Fri, July 7	Western Australia	Victoria Country	Fankhauser Reserve, QLD

2023 AFL National Championships: U18, U16 fixtures released

The AFL has released the schedule for this year's U18 and U16 National Championships

www.afl.com.au

 

[RedmanWasHere]

RANKING		NAME	POSITION	DOB	HEIGHT/WEIGHT	CLUB	AFF	AFF 2
1	West Coast	Dyson Sharp	Midfielder/ Defender	23/5/07	188cm/77kg	Central District/South Australia
2	Richmond	Oliver Greeves	Midfielder/Forward	7/2/07	190cm	Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
3	Fremantle	Blake Kelly	Midfielder	3/1/07	182cm/80kg	Swan Districts/Western Australia
4	North Melbourne	Willem Duursma	Utility	21/6/07	189cm	Gippsland Power/Vic Country
5	Geelong	Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier	Midfielder/Forward	11/4/07	182cm/72kg	North Adelaide/South Australia
6	Hawthorn	Louis Emmett	Ruck	23/3/07	198cm	Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
7	St.Kilda	Marcus Cassidy	Midfielder	5/1/07	187cm/82kg	East Perth/Western Australia
8	W.Bulldogs	Lachy Dovaston	Wing	29/5/07	175cm	Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
9	Essendon	Jack Dalton	Midfielder	5/4/07	176cm	Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
10	Gold Coast	Basil Hart	Forward	15/1/07	183cm	Peel Thunder/Western Australia	FREM
11	Melbourne	Jamie Gilchrist	Midfielder/Forward	3/2/07	185cm	Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
12	Port Adelaide	Noah Roberts-Thomson	Midfielder	29/3/07	180cm	Sturt/South Australia
13	Collingwood	Archie Ludowyke	Key Forward	19/11/07	193cm	Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
14	GWS Giants	Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves	Midfielder	16/11/07	185cm	Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
15	Sydney	Tairon Ah-Mu	Ruckman	6/1/07	199cm	Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
16	Brisbane	Cooper Duff-Tytler	Ruck	22/8/07	198cm	Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
17	Carlton	Harry Morphet	Midfielder	8/1/07	175cm	Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
18	West Coast	Xavier Bamert	Midfielder	29/1/07	184cm	Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
19	Richmond	Riley Onley	Midfielder	30/3/07	194cm	Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
20	Fremantle	Aidan Schubert	Ruck/Forward	21/12/07	194cm	Central District/South Australia
21	North Melbourne	Mitchell Moate	Midfielder/Forward	4/9/07	180cm	Northern Knights/Vic Metro
22	Geelong	Giuseppe Posterino	Small Forward	12/2/07	175cm	Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
23	Hawthorn	Toby Whan	Wing	9/5/07	180cm/70kg	South Fremantle/Western Australia
24	St.Kilda	Jake Boniwell	Key Forward	8/5/07	190cm/90kg	East Fremantle/Western Australia
25	Gold Coast (Academy)	Dylan Patterson	Wing	1/9/07	183cm	Gold Coast Academy/Allies	GC
26	W.Bulldogs	Jim Kelly	Midfielder	16/2/07	178cm	Norwood/South Australia
27	Gold Coast (Academy)	Zeke Uwland	Defender	24/4/07	177cm/69kg	Gold Coast Academy/Allies	GC
28	Essendon	Judd Marcello	Forward	2/1/07	188cm/76kg	West Perth/Western Australia
29	Melbourne	Jadd Hill	Midfielder	27/1/07	176cm/79kg	Perth/Western Australia
30	Gold Coast (Academy)	Jai Murray	Midfielder/Forward	9/3/07	184cm	Gold Coast Academy/Allies	GC
31	Port Adelaide	Samuel Cumming	Midfielder	27/7/07	186cm	North Adelaide/South Australia
32	Collingwood	Jobe Scapin	Defender/Forward	1/5/07	186cm	Gippsland Power/Vic Country
33	Sydney	Thomas Burton	Midfielder	9/1/07	176cm	Western Jets/Vic Metro
34	Brisbane	Luke Candy	Defender	16/5/07	183cm	Glenelg/South Australia
35	Gold Coast (Academy)	Beau Addinsall	Midfielder/Forward	9/3/07	179cm	Gold Coast Academy/Allies	GC
36	Carlton	Jevan Phillipou	Midfielder/Forward	30/3/07	180cm	Woodville-West Torrens/South Australia
37	Geelong (NGA)	Ben Rongdit	Defender	10/5/07	183cm	Geelong Falcons/Vic Country	GEEL
38	West Coast	Zachary O'Keefe	Midfielder	22/3/07	176cm	Gippsland Power/Vic Country
39	Brisbane (Academy)	Daniel Annable	Midfielder	5/4/07	183cm/75kg	Brisbane Academy/Allies	BRIS
40	Brisbane (Academy)	Jack Harrison	Midfielder/Forward	20/2/07	183cm	Brisbane Academy/Allies	BRIS
41	Richmond	Sam Grij	Wing		178cm	Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
42	Fremantle	Matthew Becker	Defender	30/8/07	187cm/75kg	Peel Thunder/Western Australia
43	North Melbourne	Charlie Dickeson	Wing	22/10/07	168cm	North Adelaide/South Australia
44	Hawthorn	Darcy Montgomery	Forward	27/4/07	180cm/70kg	Subiaco/Western Australia
45	St.Kilda	Joshua Reichelt	Defender	18/1/07	180cm	Central District/South Australia
46	Port Adelaide or St.Kilda F/S	Gill Wakelin	Forward	2/5/07	187cm/67kg	Sturt/South Australia	PA	STK
47	W.Bulldogs	William York	Midfielder	15/4/07	172cm	Peel Thunder/Western Australia
48	Brisbane (Academy)	Raphael Geesu	Small Forward	23/7/07	172cm	Brisbane Academy/Allies	BRIS
49	GWS Giants (Academy)	Ryder Corrigan	Midfielder	14/3/07	185cm	Murray Bushrangers/GWS Academy/Allies	GWS
50	Essendon	Louis Kellaway	Wing	16/3/07	182cm	Sturt/South Australia
51	Melbourne	Taj Longmuir	Defender	4/7/07	179cm/71kg	South Fremantle/Western Australia
52	Collingwood	Shaun Watson	Key Defender	29/5/07	193cm	Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
53	Melbourne F/S or Gold Coast (Academy)	Kalani White	Utility	5/5/07	197cm	Gold Coast Academy/Allies	GC	MELB
54	Sydney	Jasper Hay	Ruck	10/5/07	199cm	Tasmania Devils/Allies
55	Carlton	Will Prescott	Midfielder/Forward	26/3/07	180cm	Norwood/South Australia

Thank you Haggas.

This tells me it's set to be a first round logjam for sure in 2025.

At 188-76, Marcello would seem like a good body to beef up.

Dalton's probably a bit too short but he's certainly one of the top names for 2025.

Kellaway I'm not sure is possible given his father is Duncan Kellaway.

Or this hypothesising the Tiges don't nominate him for F/S.

Lastly, Melbourne picking Taj Longmuir would be a nice parallel given his dad started at the Dees.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

General question.

Does anyone know of a website where I can put in my 2024 ladder predictions and it creates a draft order based on my predictions and this year's trades?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Just noticed something Haggas.

In your 2025 mock, you've missed Adelaide.

 

[Haggas]

Just noticed something Haggas.

In your 2025 mock, you've missed Adelaide.

Yeah because the Tyler Welsh bid

 

[Haggas]

O

Thank you Haggas.

This tells me it's set to be a first round logjam for sure in 2025.

At 188-76, Marcello would seem like a good body to beef up.

Dalton's probably a bit too short but he's certainly one of the top names for 2025.

Kellaway I'm not sure is possible given his father is Duncan Kellaway.

Or this hypothesising the Tiges don't nominate him for F/S.

Lastly, Melbourne picking Taj Longmuir would be a nice parallel given his dad started at the Dees.

Oh right I didn’t know it was Duncan Kellaways son

 

[Haggas]

O

Oh right I didn’t know it was Duncan Kellaways son

Can you do a list of future F/S's?

 

[briztoon]

Can you do a list of future F/S's?

lol you’re asking yourself mate.

 

[Haggas]

lol you’re asking yourself mate.

Meant to be to Redman haha

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Player relations here.

Eligible F/S:

Jagger Mooney. (Cameron, Geelong.) (Not North Melbourne.)
Kalani White. (Jeff, Melbourne.) (Not Fremantle.)

Ineligible F/S:

?

Siblings:

?

Grandsons of:

?

Other:

?


Willem Duursma's section.

Brothers, Xavier (Port Adelaide) and Zane (TBD.)
Sister, Yasmin. (Port Adelaide.)
Uncle, Jamie Duursma. (Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.)

Louis Kellaway's section.

Father, Duncan. (Richmond.)
Uncle, Andrew. (Richmond.)
Great-uncle, John Beckwith. (Melbourne.)
Great-grandfather, Wally Beckwith. (Melbourne.)
First cousin 1x removed, Bill Beckwith. (Richmond.)​

Ping Haggas.

This is post 60 in this thread.

 

[Haggas]

F/S's
Kobe Williams (Hawthorn) father Mark
Gill Wakelin (Port Adelaide or St.Kilda) father Darryl
Ben Francou (Port Adelaide) father Josh
Lukas Eagleton (W.Bulldogs) father Nathan
Boston Riccardi (Geelong) father Peter
Jagger Mooney (Geelong) father Cameron
Kalani White (Melbourne or Gold Coast Academy) father Jeff
Louis Kellaway (Richmond) father Duncan

Other
Shaun Watson nephew of Chris and Robbie Tarrant

6

Robbie Tarrant

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

284.7

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

359.3

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

 

[Jen2310]

F/S's
Kobe Williams (Hawthorn) father Mark
Gill Wakelin (Port Adelaide or St.Kilda) father Darryl
Ben Francou (Port Adelaide) father Josh
Lukas Eagleton (W.Bulldogs) father Nathan
Boston Riccardi (Geelong) father Peter
Jagger Mooney (Geelong) father Cameron
Kalani White (Melbourne or Gold Coast Academy) father Jeff
Louis Kellaway (Richmond) father Duncan

Other
Shaun Watson nephew of Chris and Robbie Tarrant

Thomas McGuane also for this draft for the pies.

 

[danster168]

F/S's
Kobe Williams (Hawthorn) father Mark
Gill Wakelin (Port Adelaide or St.Kilda) father Darryl
Ben Francou (Port Adelaide) father Josh
Lukas Eagleton (W.Bulldogs) father Nathan
Boston Riccardi (Geelong) father Peter
Jagger Mooney (Geelong) father Cameron
Kalani White (Melbourne or Gold Coast Academy) father Jeff
Louis Kellaway (Richmond) father Duncan

Other
Shaun Watson nephew of Chris and Robbie Tarrant

any idea how highly rated Kalani White is?

Melbourne hasn't had a good father/son since Jack viney 10 years ago.

 

[Haggas]

any idea how highly rated Kalani White is?

Melbourne hasn't had a good father/son since Jack viney 10 years ago.

Too early to tell. Not highly rated at this point

 

[danster168]

Too early to tell. Not highly rated at this point

it's funny coz on the dees pages we've been hyping him up for years. lol. damn, I guess the long streak of no father/sons continues.

I'm a little surprised considering he is already 200cm tall and looks to have good work ethic, jump and obviously a good family heritage.

 

[Haggas]

it's funny coz on the dees pages we've been hyping him up for years. lol. damn, I guess the long streak of no father/sons continues.

I'm a little surprised considering he is already 200cm tall and looks to have good work ethic, jump and obviously a good family heritage.

Still very early though. Definitely time to surge up the rankings

 

[Miller1971]

any idea how highly rated Kalani White is?

Melbourne hasn't had a good father/son since Jack viney 10 years ago.

He is a 50/50 draft prospect at best.

Nobody will be clamouring over him, but he might get an opportunity at either Suns or Demons. There won't be a battle for him though.

 

[danster168]

He is a 50/50 draft prospect at best.

Nobody will be clamouring over him, but he might get an opportunity at either Suns or Demons. There won't be a battle for him though.

that's disappointing. Is it a bit early to say that though?

 

[GC2015]

that's disappointing. Is it a bit early to say that though?

People on BF seem don't seem to rate him but I don't think you make the starting 18 of the U16 AA team by accident so Kalani must have shown some promise this year. He's playing junior footy for Broadbeach at the moment which has become a bit of a powerhouse in terms of junior development so that should help. Juniors definitely benefit from playing and training with other highly rated juniors and I suspect that will be the case with Kalani.

Assuming he stays on the Gold Coast next year, there's a fair chance he'll be selected as bottom ager to represent the Suns U18 academy team to compete against other northern academies and some Coates Talent League teams. His height would have been a significant advantage at the U16s level this year but once he comes up against 18 and 19 year olds in the CTL next year, he won't be able to rely on his height as much. 2024 is a big year for him because he'll need to improve his skills substantially if he wants to be on the draft radar for clubs. There's also the possibility that he may decide he wants to play for the Suns instead of the Demons ala Blakey choosing the Swans over North. Damien Hardwick would certainly be aware of him.

 

[markm106]

People on BF seem don't seem to rate him but I don't think you make the starting 18 of the U16 AA team by accident so Kalani must have shown some promise this year. He's playing junior footy for Broadbeach at the moment which has become a bit of a powerhouse in terms of junior development so that should help. Juniors definitely benefit from playing and training with other highly rated juniors and I suspect that will be the case with Kalani.

Assuming he stays on the Gold Coast next year, there's a fair chance he'll be selected as bottom ager to represent the Suns U18 academy team to compete against other northern academies and some Coates Talent League teams. His height would have been a significant advantage at the U16s level this year but once he comes up against 18 and 19 year olds in the CTL next year, he won't be able to rely on his height as much. 2024 is a big year for him because he'll need to improve his skills substantially if he wants to be on the draft radar for clubs. There's also the possibility that he may decide he wants to play for the Suns instead of the Demons ala Blakey choosing the Swans over North. Damien Hardwick would certainly be aware of him.

Seems a hard one to judge. With his height and athletic traits and the fact he’s already AA you’d think an early pick. But I guess things can change pretty quickly over next couple of years.
At this point he’s very much committed to the Dees. Again I guess things could change but you’d think it’s gong to have to be a big change on that front.

 

[Miller1971]

People on BF seem don't seem to rate him but I don't think you make the starting 18 of the U16 AA team by accident so Kalani must have shown some promise this year. He's playing junior footy for Broadbeach at the moment which has become a bit of a powerhouse in terms of junior development so that should help. Juniors definitely benefit from playing and training with other highly rated juniors and I suspect that will be the case with Kalani.

the u16 AA team was ridiculous and a marketing exercise for the Suns.

They came 2nd in Div 2 and had 6 players in the team....

Lions Academy smacked them by 7 goals and only had 2, and none of the Div 1 teams had that many either.

He played u16s for Broady, all the really gun kids his age were playing Colts and pushing into the senior side.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

This crop now goes from U16's to possible underagers for next year's U18's championships.

It goes fast hey.

 

[GC2015]

the u16 AA team was ridiculous and a marketing exercise for the Suns.

They came 2nd in Div 2 and had 6 players in the team....

Lions Academy smacked them by 7 goals and only had 2, and none of the Div 1 teams had that many either.

He played u16s for Broady, all the really gun kids his age were playing Colts and pushing into the senior side.

I don't think team results at the junior level are always the best indicator of the pointy end talent within a team. It's the old adage of 'a team is only as strong as its weakest player' e.g. Gary Ablett Jr was clearly the best player in the game between 2011-14 but the Suns were unable to qualify for the finals during that period. Take five random AAs from different parts of the ground and add them to a team full of 17 VAFA players and then have that team play against a mid-ladder AFL team. The mid-ladder AFL team is going to win over four quarters because collectively they can play better as a team. GAJ learnt that the hard way by trying to do everything in a team full of teenagers.

Was that the case with the Suns academy at the U16s championships last year? I'm not sure but having that many AAs named in a team that doesn't win all its games in Div II does suggest something has happened. We've heard about the strength of juniors coming through Brisbane's academy around this age group and don't forget they also had two AAs in their team as well. So I don't think it's unreasonable to put forward the theory that Brisbane's U16 academy was collectively stronger this year and it may even be the case that their two AAs are of a higher quality than the Sun's best two AAs (at the moment).

Next year will be telling as some of these academy kids will get the opportunity to play in the Coates Talent League against the best 18 and 19 year olds on the east coast of Australia. In fact, U16 AAs Zeke Uwland, Beau Addinsall and Jai Murray already did that this year by competing in several CTL games for the Suns and didn't look out of place when the Suns academy defeated GWV Rebels. Addinsall in particular was named in the bests during that match and Murray had a game against Brisbane's U18 academy where he kicked three goals. I find it hard to believe that a player can be named in the bests of CTL U18 game against a Vic team in April but is underserving of a place in the U16 AA team a few months later.

 

[Miller1971]

If you watched the u16 Carnival, there is no doubt that Addinsall and Patterson deserved selection in the AA side, they were standouts.

I also have no doubt Murray is good enough to be AA, but he played relatively poorly by his own standards and was selected on reputation alone. I rate Uwland, but he had a better carnival as a bottom ager the year before, but he was still pretty good - however Kalani White wasn't even close, that is a complete mystery what happened there.

The 2 lions lads that made it were their standout players, but I'd actually argue the bottom end GC Suns players were better than the Lions ones, and it was the Lions top end that won the game for them.

8 players from Div 2 to me is a bit silly though, but they (QLD) were runners up and had 6 x AA's at the national u15 school carnival the year before.

 

[Davo-27]

I wanted to do an AA Team for the u16s champs in 2023

B: Jadd Hill (WA), Cooper Duff-Tytler (VM), Jim Kelly (SA)
HB: Zeke Uwland (GCS), Riley Onley (VC), Xavier Bamert (VM)
C: Lachlan Dovaston (VM), Blake Kelly (WA), Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier (SA)
HF: Jack Harrison (Bris), Louis Emmett (VM), Giuseppe Posterino (VC)
F: Basil Hart (WA), Archie Ludowyke (VM), Dylan Patterson (GCS)
R: Kayle Gerryn (WA), Dyson Sharp (SA), Oliver Greeves (VM)

INT: Tairon Ah-Mu (VC), Jack Dalton (VM), Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves (VC), Noah Roberts-Thompson (SA)
Marcus Cassidy (WA), Raphael Geesu (Bris), Charlie Hewitt (Bris - 2024 draft), Jobe Scapin (VC), Toby Whan (WA).

VM - 7 (winners div 1)
WA - 6 (runners up div 1)
SA - 4
VC - 5
Bris - 3 (winners div 2)
GCS - 2 (runners up div 2)

I know it's a bit biased, but this is a better All Australian Team from the u16s with this years talent

 

[GC2015]

If you watched the u16 Carnival, there is no doubt that Addinsall and Patterson deserved selection in the AA side, they were standouts.

I also have no doubt Murray is good enough to be AA, but he played relatively poorly by his own standards and was selected on reputation alone. I rate Uwland, but he had a better carnival as a bottom ager the year before, but he was still pretty good - however Kalani White wasn't even close, that is a complete mystery what happened there.

I think that's a fair breakdown. From what I heard and saw, Addinsall and Patterson were outstanding. We had been expecting Addinsall and Murray to be the standouts as they were the ones that showed the most in the U18 games but Patterson was apparently a lot better than Murray. That's not to say Murray was undeserving of an AA spot and you could probably say the same about Uwland. Not sure how Kalani White made the team either though, but can't help but think there may have been some nepotism at play there considering his old man's links to the Dees. In the end, we've got four players that were justified in their AA selection and one that probably shouldn't have made it. I suspect they'll all take part in the U18 program next year.

The 2 lions lads that made it were their standout players, but I'd actually argue the bottom end GC Suns players were better than the Lions ones, and it was the Lions top end that won the game for them.

8 players from Div 2 to me is a bit silly though, but they (QLD) were runners up and had 6 x AA's at the national u15 school carnival the year before.

I figured that may have been the case that Brisbane's top end talent were better than Gold Coast's and that got them over the line.

That's really deceiving to brand them all as 'Div II players' and just make a blanket statement that you shouldn't have many Div II players in the AA team. Like you pointed out, Queensland were runner ups in the U15 nationals the year before so clearly there are several players in Queensland that are better than their southern counterparts in that particular draft class. We'll get a much better understanding of their true ability over the next two years as they compete against higher standard competition on a more regular basis.