2025 Federal Election: A Pox o' Both Your Houses

[Saint]

Given that each one of us has our social media "curated" by the powers that be I don't think we can give ads that appear on on our SM any sort of weight at all. (FWIW I get next to zero election ads on my SM).

That's a good point. We probably won't see the extent or content of a large proportion of political advertising. There might be attack lines in certain locations or for certain demographics of which we will remain completely oblivious.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

That's a good point. We probably won't see the extent or content of a large proportion of political advertising. There might be attack lines in certain locations or for certain demographics of which we will remain completely oblivious.

Hence why I say it’s still good to switch off the SM regularly and check out a range of mainstream media.

MSM won’t give you the full picture, no way.

But anyone who thinks SM will, is totally delulu.

 

[Festerz]

At the very least, it would suggest to Dutton and the Coalation that if they want to take back power and if he wants to be Prime Minister, that they're not going to just coast to it. The ALP isn't going to hand it to them on a platter. They have to go out and win it. And the problem with that is I can't remember a time recently when Dutton has opened his mouth where he's done anything to help his or his party's cause.

The polling is all one way at the moment and Sydney Morning Herald and The Age chief political correspondent David Crowe says the Resolve poll showed a “powerful shift in sentiment in every major indicator”.

“Primary vote, preferred prime minister, ratings on leadership performance and opinions about which side is best on key policies. Labor has gained on all counts,”

“It looks as if Labor has finally marshalled its forces to win back voters with better policies and a more convincing message. The mystery is why it took so long. The prospect of imminent defeat finally jolted the insiders into action.”

The Australian’s political editor and Liberal Party insider Simon Benson, the opposition leader has “vacated the field” and allowed momentum to stall.

Reckon Dutton will go back to doing what he does - culture wars. Expect more extreme and hyperbolic headlines about immigration, etc. across the Murdoch media outlets in coming days.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

That's a good point. We probably won't see the extent or content of a large proportion of political advertising. There might be attack lines in certain locations or for certain demographics of which we will remain completely oblivious.

My recollection in the lead-up to the last Federal election is Casey Briggs would do a bit of analysis during the campaign on how much money was being spent on digital advertising, which would be a more accurate indication than what we see, which is dictated by our own inherent bias.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

The polling is all one way at the moment and Sydney Morning Herald and The Age chief political correspondent David Crowe says the Resolve poll showed a “powerful shift in sentiment in every major indicator”.

“Primary vote, preferred prime minister, ratings on leadership performance and opinions about which side is best on key policies. Labor has gained on all counts,”

“It looks as if Labor has finally marshalled its forces to win back voters with better policies and a more convincing message. The mystery is why it took so long. The prospect of imminent defeat finally jolted the insiders into action.”

The Australian’s political editor and Liberal Party insider Simon Benson, the opposition leader has “vacated the field” and allowed momentum to stall.

Reckon Dutton will go back to doing what he does - culture wars. Expect more extreme and hyperbolic headlines about immigration, etc. across the Murdoch media outlets in coming days.

To say the polls don't matter could broadly be considered true, in that you can't say "How did they lose? The polls had them ahead 52-48!" But of course they matter in that there's clear trends, it's not all over the shop from one poll to the next, especially this close to an election. Both major parties take very careful note of how it's trending and plan their strategies over the next days and weeks accordingly to keep the momentum or get back on track. So it undoubtedly has an effect.

And yes, I expect the standard immigration and national security stuff. I love the Hollowmen episode where the Secretary of the Department of the Prime Minister suggests that efficiency in national security could be achieved by spending less.

 

[Festerz]

And yes, I expect the standard immigration and national security stuff.

Yes, Khaki electioneering has been the go-to for every conservative federal leader struggling in the polls since Federation. Most recently the shock AUKUS announcement was an attempt at wedge politics by Scott Morrison on the back of poor polling but its political effect was negated by Albanese simply saying it had his full support.

But this time, for the first time in the lives of anyone under 90, the US can no longer be portrayed as Australia's great protector from the evil commie threat to our north. The core principles that underpin our strategic military alliance with the US since WW2 are now under serious threat.

It leaves Dutton in a wedge of his own making. Just a matter of weeks ago he was applauding Trump's election and mimicking Trump policies. But now, as those policies undermine Australia's trade and strategic foundations, he is left resorting to personal attacks on Albanese for not being tough with Trump - calling him 'weak as water'.

As for Albanese, he too is in a 'damned if he does/damned if he doesn't' bind when it comes to criticising Trump. So he seemingly has chosen to just ignore it as an issue in his campaigning -despite it being the elephant in the room in terms of Australia's immediate economic and strategic future. The three monkeys approach to the biggest international relations and defence existential crisis in Australia's recent history.

 

[nut]

The mystery is why it took so long. The prospect of imminent defeat finally jolted the insiders into action.”

It’s not a sprint it’s a marathon.., timing is everything.

 

[Saint]

Yes, Khaki electioneering has been the go-to for every conservative federal leader struggling in the polls since Federation. Most recently the shock AUKUS announcement was an attempt at wedge politics by Scott Morrison on the back of poor polling but its political effect was negated by Albanese simply saying it had his full support.

But this time, for the first time in the lives of anyone under 90, the US can no longer be portrayed as Australia's great protector from the evil commie threat to our north. The core principles that underpin our strategic military alliance with the US since WW2 are now under serious threat.

It leaves Dutton in a wedge of his own making. Just a matter of weeks ago he was applauding Trump's election and mimicking Trump policies. But now, as those policies undermine Australia's trade and strategic foundations, he is left resorting to personal attacks on Albanese for not being tough with Trump - calling him 'weak as water'.

As for Albanese, he too is in a 'damned if he does/damned if he doesn't' bind when it comes to criticising Trump. So he seemingly has chosen to just ignore it as an issue in his campaigning -despite it being the elephant in the room in terms of Australia's immediate economic and strategic future. The three monkeys approach to the biggest international relations and defence existential crisis in Australia's recent history.

Both parties are committed to a $300bn defence pact with a country they both accuse the other of not being strong enough with.

If we have to be "strong" with a country, we should probably not have been so weak in our AUKUS agreement which has no guarantees for Australia at all, but a huge financial commitment.

It's the worst defence policy since the Emu Wars and it's bipartisan because they don't want to be wedged, and don't care about pouring $300bn down the drain.

Between the abandonment of principle over Gazan genocide and the abandonment of common sense on AUKUS, I'd suggest that the LNP shouldn't be trying to out-do the ALP on Khaki electioneering, they should both be looking at the fact that the Greens have a more sensible defence policy than both of them.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Both parties are as bad as each other gave us Trump.

Us? Is Trump the PM of Australia now?

 

[nut]

Interesting… coalition Majority now least favourite

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's the worst defence policy since the Emu Wars

Gold!

 

[spinynorman]

If these polls are accurate, I don't think it's through any endorsement of Labor but more about people looking at Dutton and going "Wait, no". His personal popularity has him about as unpopular an Opposition Leader as Bill Shorten was. Shorten made up for that by offering a populism of sorts in 2016 and overperforming, before getting too ahead of himself in 2019 and having that disaster. Dutton's kind of hinting at conservative populism but I don't think he's anywhere close to enough to overcome the deficit that people really dislike him and don't want him to be Prime Minister, however much Albanese sucks.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

why lol? Please explain.....

Interesting… coalition Majority now least favourite


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All that says to me, is that really its bloody close and no one has any idea how it will go.

 

[nut]

All that says to me, is that really its bloody close and no one has any idea how it will go.

What it says to me as that 6 weeks ago Labor was $15 to form majority government and the LNP was $3…. But yes, it’s too early predict that this trend will continue.

 

[campbell]

All that says to me, is that really its bloody close and no one has any idea how it will go.

I asked you about the Urgent Care Clinics.......

Why do you not like them.


They are a great idea, I agree with expanding them.

 

[faible]

Lol.

Chances of you elaborating on why you find this particular aspect so amusing? Let us all in on the joke.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I asked you about the Urgent Care Clinics.......

Why do you not like them.


They are a great idea, I agree with expanding them.

No...i like them, but i'm not sure there is evidence to back up your claim that it has made some dramatic impact on ED's. Plus, many are really poorly utilized, they have way more capacity.

 

[peetoo]

If these polls are accurate, I don't think it's through any endorsement of Labor but more about people looking at Dutton and going "Wait, no". His personal popularity has him about as unpopular an Opposition Leader as Bill Shorten was. Shorten made up for that by offering a populism of sorts in 2016 and overperforming, before getting too ahead of himself in 2019 and having that disaster. Dutton's kind of hinting at conservative populism but I don't think he's anywhere close to enough to overcome the deficit that people really dislike him and don't want him to be Prime Minister, however much Albanese sucks.

Would have thought Latham was the closest to Dutton

 

[spinynorman]

Would have thought Latham was the closest to Dutton

Maybe in temperament etc, I'm comparing in popularity. And while Latham's a grotesque now, even at his most unpopular after the 2004 election he was like -12% in the approval ratings. Dutton is now -18%. I believe Shorten at his worst was -20%.

 

[campbell]

No...i like them, but i'm not sure there is evidence to back up your claim that it has made some dramatic impact on ED's. Plus, many are really poorly utilized, they have way more capacity.

I can only speak for Qld.

We have had 80000 people move here during and post pandemic to SE qld.
Hard to plan infrastructure for that pre pandemic.

Qld Health have their Emergency Departments in 22 facilities. 4 being Tertiary Hospitals.

They also have Satellite Facilities in 7 places, close to normal EDs, for non Cat 1 and 2 presentations, open til 9 pm.

I think we are fortunate, in they have jumped in and worked with Feds to get another extra layer, medicare funded for Urgent Care as well.

There are also 4 at least Large Private Hospital Emergency Departments.

I think all work well, all are busy..
This is from personal and patient discussions.

Qld Health also have specific teams to cater for in Aged Care needs, to try to ease the need for QAS and Emergency Department Care.

 

[beez]

Maybe in temperament etc, I'm comparing in popularity. And while Latham's a grotesque now, even at his most unpopular after the 2004 election he was like -12% in the approval ratings. Dutton is now -18%. I believe Shorten at his worst was -20%.

"For a populist politician he's pretty unpopular."

Would be nice if Labor has some people with a bit of charisma who could hammer home that message.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I can only speak for Qld.

We have had 80000 people move here during and post pandemic to SE qld.
Hard to plan infrastructure for that pre pandemic.

Qld Health have their Emergency Departments in 22 facilities. 4 being Tertiary Hospitals.

They also have Satellite Facilities in 7 places, close to normal EDs, for non Cat 1 and 2 presentations, open til 9 pm.

I think we are fortunate, in they have jumped in and worked with Feds to get another extra layer, medicare funded for Urgent Care as well.

There are also 4 at least Large Private Hospital Emergency Departments.

I think all work well, all are busy..
This is from personal and patient discussions.

Qld Health also have specific teams to cater for in Aged Care needs, to try to ease the need for QAS and Emergency Department Care.

Interesting. What are people saying in regional and rural areas?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

"For a populist politician he's pretty unpopular."

Would be nice if Labor has some people with a bit of charisma who could hammer home that message.

Dutton is hardly populist

 

[campbell]

Interesting. What are people saying in regional and rural areas?

I have been to Rural and Remote facilities this year. Their issues are their remoteness and access to Specialist Care in their Community. Telehealth helps, but mostly they need to be seen away from home.

They can access their local Dr and hospital just fine.


Except if you are in Julia Creek..

Remote Australian town looking for doctor offers $400,000 salary, free rent

The remote Australia town of Julia Creek has a population of just 500 and is a seven-hour drive from the nearest major city.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Saint]

"For a populist politician he's pretty unpopular."

Would be nice if Labor has some people with a bit of charisma who could hammer home that message.

"populism" is now a counter-culture.

They celebrate themselves the more the "Mainstream elites" dislike them.

They feel the same about policies too. The stupider and more disliked a policy, the more some of these morons latch onto them.

It's why dog-whistling racism still works. It's "popular" with a good number of people. The other policies and beliefs are equally stupid (immigrants are the problem, poor people are stealing our hard-earned through tax/welfare), but sound slightly less outright racist.