2025 Federal Election: A Pox o' Both Your Houses

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's the worst defence policy since the Emu Wars

Gold!

 

[spinynorman]

If these polls are accurate, I don't think it's through any endorsement of Labor but more about people looking at Dutton and going "Wait, no". His personal popularity has him about as unpopular an Opposition Leader as Bill Shorten was. Shorten made up for that by offering a populism of sorts in 2016 and overperforming, before getting too ahead of himself in 2019 and having that disaster. Dutton's kind of hinting at conservative populism but I don't think he's anywhere close to enough to overcome the deficit that people really dislike him and don't want him to be Prime Minister, however much Albanese sucks.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

why lol? Please explain.....

Interesting… coalition Majority now least favourite


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All that says to me, is that really its bloody close and no one has any idea how it will go.

 

[nut]

All that says to me, is that really its bloody close and no one has any idea how it will go.

What it says to me as that 6 weeks ago Labor was $15 to form majority government and the LNP was $3…. But yes, it’s too early predict that this trend will continue.

 

[campbell]

All that says to me, is that really its bloody close and no one has any idea how it will go.

I asked you about the Urgent Care Clinics.......

Why do you not like them.


They are a great idea, I agree with expanding them.

 

[faible]

Lol.

Chances of you elaborating on why you find this particular aspect so amusing? Let us all in on the joke.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I asked you about the Urgent Care Clinics.......

Why do you not like them.


They are a great idea, I agree with expanding them.

No...i like them, but i'm not sure there is evidence to back up your claim that it has made some dramatic impact on ED's. Plus, many are really poorly utilized, they have way more capacity.

 

[peetoo]

If these polls are accurate, I don't think it's through any endorsement of Labor but more about people looking at Dutton and going "Wait, no". His personal popularity has him about as unpopular an Opposition Leader as Bill Shorten was. Shorten made up for that by offering a populism of sorts in 2016 and overperforming, before getting too ahead of himself in 2019 and having that disaster. Dutton's kind of hinting at conservative populism but I don't think he's anywhere close to enough to overcome the deficit that people really dislike him and don't want him to be Prime Minister, however much Albanese sucks.

Would have thought Latham was the closest to Dutton

 

[spinynorman]

Would have thought Latham was the closest to Dutton

Maybe in temperament etc, I'm comparing in popularity. And while Latham's a grotesque now, even at his most unpopular after the 2004 election he was like -12% in the approval ratings. Dutton is now -18%. I believe Shorten at his worst was -20%.

 

[campbell]

No...i like them, but i'm not sure there is evidence to back up your claim that it has made some dramatic impact on ED's. Plus, many are really poorly utilized, they have way more capacity.

I can only speak for Qld.

We have had 80000 people move here during and post pandemic to SE qld.
Hard to plan infrastructure for that pre pandemic.

Qld Health have their Emergency Departments in 22 facilities. 4 being Tertiary Hospitals.

They also have Satellite Facilities in 7 places, close to normal EDs, for non Cat 1 and 2 presentations, open til 9 pm.

I think we are fortunate, in they have jumped in and worked with Feds to get another extra layer, medicare funded for Urgent Care as well.

There are also 4 at least Large Private Hospital Emergency Departments.

I think all work well, all are busy..
This is from personal and patient discussions.

Qld Health also have specific teams to cater for in Aged Care needs, to try to ease the need for QAS and Emergency Department Care.

 

[beez]

Maybe in temperament etc, I'm comparing in popularity. And while Latham's a grotesque now, even at his most unpopular after the 2004 election he was like -12% in the approval ratings. Dutton is now -18%. I believe Shorten at his worst was -20%.

"For a populist politician he's pretty unpopular."

Would be nice if Labor has some people with a bit of charisma who could hammer home that message.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I can only speak for Qld.

We have had 80000 people move here during and post pandemic to SE qld.
Hard to plan infrastructure for that pre pandemic.

Qld Health have their Emergency Departments in 22 facilities. 4 being Tertiary Hospitals.

They also have Satellite Facilities in 7 places, close to normal EDs, for non Cat 1 and 2 presentations, open til 9 pm.

I think we are fortunate, in they have jumped in and worked with Feds to get another extra layer, medicare funded for Urgent Care as well.

There are also 4 at least Large Private Hospital Emergency Departments.

I think all work well, all are busy..
This is from personal and patient discussions.

Qld Health also have specific teams to cater for in Aged Care needs, to try to ease the need for QAS and Emergency Department Care.

Interesting. What are people saying in regional and rural areas?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

"For a populist politician he's pretty unpopular."

Would be nice if Labor has some people with a bit of charisma who could hammer home that message.

Dutton is hardly populist

 

[campbell]

Interesting. What are people saying in regional and rural areas?

I have been to Rural and Remote facilities this year. Their issues are their remoteness and access to Specialist Care in their Community. Telehealth helps, but mostly they need to be seen away from home.

They can access their local Dr and hospital just fine.


Except if you are in Julia Creek..

Remote Australian town looking for doctor offers $400,000 salary, free rent

The remote Australia town of Julia Creek has a population of just 500 and is a seven-hour drive from the nearest major city.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Saint]

"For a populist politician he's pretty unpopular."

Would be nice if Labor has some people with a bit of charisma who could hammer home that message.

"populism" is now a counter-culture.

They celebrate themselves the more the "Mainstream elites" dislike them.

They feel the same about policies too. The stupider and more disliked a policy, the more some of these morons latch onto them.

It's why dog-whistling racism still works. It's "popular" with a good number of people. The other policies and beliefs are equally stupid (immigrants are the problem, poor people are stealing our hard-earned through tax/welfare), but sound slightly less outright racist.

 

[Sphynx]

"populism" is now a counter-culture.

They celebrate themselves the more the "Mainstream elites" dislike them.

They feel the same about policies too. The stupider and more disliked a policy, the more some of these morons latch onto them.

It's why dog-whistling racism still works. It's "popular" with a good number of people. The other policies and beliefs are equally stupid (immigrants are the problem, poor people are stealing our hard-earned through tax/welfare), but sound slightly less outright racist.

Sounds similar to the "Why should millionaires get tax breaks for owning five houses while nurses can’t afford one" - i.e middle class is killing our welfare schemes through negative gearing and property hoarding from the other side of the line.

Not understanding that things like property investment and negative gearing is a mechanism that actually SAVES the government a relative fortune in pension liability every year and we still rank in the top handful in the world for retirees standard of living and purchasing power relative to cost of living.

 

[Saint]

Sounds similar to the "middle class is killing our welfare schemes through negative gearing and property hoarding" from the other side of the line.

Not understanding that things like property investment and negative gearing is a mechanism that actually SAVES the government a relative fortune in pension liability every year and we still rank in the top handful in the world for retirees standard of living and purchasing power relative to cost of living.

I don't have a problem with individuals taking advantage of tax loop-holes. But be serious, people who are negative gearing and accumulating property portfolios are not saving the Government any money in any meaningful sense.

They still all get their seniors cards, cheap medicine and doctors, no matter how many properties they own. And it's only a small minority of well-off high-earning people who make money through negative gearing (despite some of their partners being in low-paid professions). If Negative gearing disappeared, the change in welfare would be so low as to be non-existent.

 

[faible]

things like property investment and negative gearing is a mechanism that actually SAVES the government a relative fortune in pension liability every year

I'd be interested to read the numbers of this if you have them

 

[kranky al]

‘A female Donald Trump’: how Gina Rinehart is pushing the Maga message in Australia

Australia’s richest person has close ties with the US president’s ‘Trumpettes’ and has even styled her company headquarters with Maga-inspired designs

www.theguardian.com

A vote for Dutton is a vote for Fat Gina.

Ca va gina

 

[big_e]

Not understanding that things like property investment and negative gearing is a mechanism that actually SAVES the government a relative fortune in pension liability every year and we still rank in the top handful in the world for retirees standard of living and purchasing power relative to cost of living.

None of these people were ever going to be on the pension.



Source: https://www.theage.com.au/national/...tively-geared-properties-20240927-p5kdz7.html

 

[Skeppersap]

Might be worth you acquainting yourself with the elevated rates of domestic violence among returned service personnel too.

Yes it was a cheap shot but it’s grounded in a sad reality.

Cheers, thanks for clarifying, and noted.

So I assume it is ok to insinuate that any Aboriginal male is likely to have committed domestic violence, based on statistics?

 

[campbell]

Cheers, thanks for clarifying, and noted.

So I assume it is ok to insinuate that any Aboriginal male is likely to have committed domestic violence, based on statistics?

oh my.....

 

[Skeppersap]

oh my.....

I don't agree with the statement.

Just trying to understand when it is ok to stereotype based on statistics.......

 

[Rotayjay]

The big problem with this story is this:

- In the 70s a kid with a single mum growing up in housing commission also grew up in a country with enough social mobility and opportunity to get a really good job and succeed.

- In the 20s a kid with two well-off working parents, who goes to a good school and university and works hard won't be able to buy a house, or probably even rent in a nice area for a few years to enjoy their youth. All the while dealing with a more precarious workplace environment (lower rates of full time jobs) and a large student debt.

Gone are the days of dad working in a factory, supporting three kids, while Mum stays home or works a few hours a week at a shop, with the quarter-acre block that cost only twice dad's annual wage. Eventually the politicians who had this growing up will be retired or dead.

 

[paullions]

What it says to me as that 6 weeks ago Labor was $15 to form majority government and the LNP was $3…. But yes, it’s too early predict that this trend will continue.

Or it could be that Gamblers chase high odds and have brought the price down with alot of $$$$ going on $15 Labor majority.