Teals and independent candidates in 2025 fed election

[JoondalupJ]

If you're on a log in a river there is important information you'd know, and important actions you can take. The log and the river will continue regardless of you.

You can immediately ascertain a collection of information from intuition. Regardless of terminology etc.
Center of gravity, center of buoyancy, moment of inertia.

You can immediately understand the impacts you have on the log in terms of it's displacement around any axis, it's changes in direction and its buoyancy.


You can now choose to take whatever actions you want, with the knowledge that the log and river have acted in certain terms for an infinite time before your knowledge of them.
OR
You can choose to act in a way that best preserves your survival on that log in that river.

Your argument is to act in your immediate best interest, regardless of future outcomes, because 'what will be will be'.
The scientific argument is that we need to do certain actions and movements, to best preserve human life for us and generations beyond.


You argue that science tells us that the climate has always changed, while insisting that science cannot be trusted because there is no absolute truth.

And brother, there is no absolute truth. You will understand that when you understand what I have tried to explain. I'm not much good at it.
But all your magnificent words will satisfy the others. Believe as you wish. Don't be bewildered by my words.

There is no answer. And the world has changed since time began. The answers are everywhere? Depending on what you want to believe.
But be understood would you. And were you fishing off that log or frog hunting.
If the log represents climate affects, well what can I say, except it was very entertaining, and written well.
And if a flood came along that log may move, and just how old was that log. And how many times did it move before it was called a climate phenomenon, or crisis. Or a flood?? How many times.

You'll have an answer hope I can understand it?

 

[Alite]

How?

How? That is not the first question. "What" matters more.

This is the "what"

Trump's administration ion is considering up to 25% tariffs on the following: (yes I know it has not yet happened... but this is what I was talking about).

1. Agricultural Products: Australian exports like beef could face tariffs, stemming from U.S. concerns about Australia's strict biosecurity measures, which the U.S. sees as barriers to trade (what a non-funny joke).

In 2024, Australia exported approximately $6.8 billion USD worth of agricultural goods to the United States. Key exports included beef, lamb, dairy, and wine. On the other side, the United States exported around $1.64 billion USD in agricultural products to Australia, with items such as pork, dairy products, and fresh fruit making up a significant portion of the trade.
Australia cannot "win" in this exchange.

I hope Australia does not do tariffs in response. I'd prefer we find other markets. CANZUK is a start but if that is not enough, we go to the EU for a free trade agreement.

Let Trump destroy his economy. It is his, and those that voted for him, their choice.

2. Pharmaceuticals: Australia's Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) has faced criticism from the U.S., which might lead to tariffs being imposed on Australian pharmaceutical exports.

Australia exports about 1.2 billion to the USA while the USA export about 2.4billion into Australia. Australian companies like CSL will probably be fine as their products are quite unique, but companies that produce low margin generic pharmaceuticals will be stuffed.

3. Automotive Sector: Exports of cars auto parts from Australia could also become targets for tariffs.

My guess is that this is a niche market and so could survive. But I'd like our , so far, gutless leaders to state that we will defend our industries by providing them an equivalent grant to match the tariff.

You asked "How". I answered with "What and How"

The "Why" is obvious... Trump thinks that tariffs will save the USA from its decline but it will only exacerbate the issues as the Smoot-Hawley bill did in the 1930s. Lord Maynard Keynes predicted the fall of the nations which have hubris at its heart. Specifically, if you do not save money (think pay down debt) when times are good, there will be no money when times are bad.. this is the USA today.

I have looked at the USA's spending ... and getting rid of a few hundred thousand public servants will not solve their problem.

Getting rid of the tax cuts for the rich will!

And, cutting the military budget is paramount... though Elon Musk will attest to this, the Military will push back with what they know.

Back to Australia,

We need to seperate ourselves from sh1T-storm that is the USA. We need reliable partners. Canada, NewZealand and the UK.

Note: I would have included Indonesia but they recent joined the BRICS

The USA is going full isolationist. They are not reliable allies. CANZUK is our best option

 

[nut]

How? That is not the first question. "What" matters more.

This is the "what"

Trump's administration ion is considering up to 25% tariffs on the following: (yes I know it has not yet happened... but this is what I was talking about).

1. Agricultural Products: Australian exports like beef could face tariffs, stemming from U.S. concerns about Australia's strict biosecurity measures, which the U.S. sees as barriers to trade (what a non-funny joke).

In 2024, Australia exported approximately $6.8 billion USD worth of agricultural goods to the United States. Key exports included beef, lamb, dairy, and wine. On the other side, the United States exported around $1.64 billion USD in agricultural products to Australia, with items such as pork, dairy products, and fresh fruit making up a significant portion of the trade.
Australia cannot "win" in this exchange.

I hope Australia does not do tariffs in response. I'd prefer we find other markets. CANZUK is a start but if that is not enough, we go to the EU for a free trade agreement.

Let Trump destroy his economy. It is his, and those that voted for him, their choice.

2. Pharmaceuticals: Australia's Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) has faced criticism from the U.S., which might lead to tariffs being imposed on Australian pharmaceutical exports.

Australia exports about 1.2 billion to the USA while the USA export about 2.4billion into Australia. Australian companies like CSL will probably be fine as their products are quite unique, but companies that produce low margin generic pharmaceuticals will be stuffed.

3. Automotive Sector: Exports of cars auto parts from Australia could also become targets for tariffs.

My guess is that this is a niche market and so could survive. But I'd like our , so far, gutless leaders to state that we will defend our industries by providing them an equivalent grant to match the tariff.

You asked "How". I answered with "What and How"

The "Why" is obvious... Trump thinks that tariffs will save the USA from its decline but it will only exacerbate the issues as the Smoot-Hawley bill did in the 1930s. Lord Maynard Keynes predicted the fall of the nations which have hubris at its heart. Specifically, if you do not save money (think pay down debt) when times are good, there will be no money when times are bad.. this is the USA today.

I have looked at the USA's spending ... and getting rid of a few hundred thousand public servants will not solve their problem.

Getting rid of the tax cuts for the rich will!

And, cutting the military budget is paramount... though Elon Musk will attest to this, the Military will push back with what they know.

Back to Australia,

We need to seperate ourselves from sh1T-storm that is the USA. We need reliable partners. Canada, NewZealand and the UK.

Note: I would have included Indonesia but they recent joined the BRICS

The USA is going full isolationist. They are not reliable allies. CANZUK is our best option

We import more from the USA than we export to the USA …

The biggest thing we should do is stop USA companies buying more of our land and our resources

 

[Not Important]

teals where labour or greens can’t win but the independent can - perhaps.

zoe daniel - goldstein

monique ryan - kooyong

Kent Parkstreet, Laird of Doofus (@kentparkskeet.bsky.social)

The two major parties have decided this election won’t be fought on climate change. Let’s decide otherwise. Vote for Climate 200 candidates. Vote Greens. #VoteForClimate #AusPol

bsky.app

 

[Not Important]

hit the mark for me. though, i can think of more reasons not to vote for “thug” the failed incompetent minister.

Why is Australian politics so boring?

There are alternatives to duopoly domination

nickfeik.substack.com

 

[31400]

Teal candidate Nicolette Boele made inappropriate sexual remarks to an 18-year old apprentice hairdresser.

In typical Gucci Green fashion she has "apologized", but the damage has been done. Bradfield will remain blue.

 

[Carringbush2010]

We should not put retaliatory tariffs against the USA. Let them drive their nation into recession.

We won't and they will.

Our government should instead set up a board that finds new markets. If needed, buy non-pershishable products to be sold at a later date.

This is more about private enterprise and how they're finding new markets, which they probably are already doing.

The govt is more working in a geo political sphere, and am willing to bet we're strenghting ties with other allies like Europe, UK and likely some asean countries like Indonesia for example.

Call it a back up.

Never give into the bully. See his weakness and use it against him

The rhetoric from both major parties AND independents would suggest we're not 'giving into the bully'.

Basically the language that is oppose chump is bipartisan from where I sit.

 

[kalex6251]

Teal candidate Nicolette Boele made inappropriate sexual remarks to an 18-year old apprentice hairdresser.

In typical Gucci Green fashion she has "apologized", but the damage has been done. Bradfield will remain blue.

but you were a-ok with lurch using a well known homophobic slur to belittle his direct political opponent yeah

 

[Carringbush2010]

My question is, is it time for CANZUK?

This website shows that Aus is strengthening ties with allies outside of the US, so are those allies strengthening with Aus, which is been further accelerated by the rouge chump administration.

The Anzus treaty is on shaky ground, and all of these allies know it, so it's a back up for these allies.

Good thing.

I might add I wouldn't be surprised if Penny and co are also strengthening ties (or putting a case forward) with Indo countries like Indonesia (a major military power), Phillipines, Japan etc.

 

[Seeds]

We import more from the USA than we export to the USA …

The biggest thing we should do is stop USA companies buying more of our land and our resources

Why? Does it not make us richer if other countries buy our stuff and give us money for it? Isn't that what free trade is about?

 

[Seeds]

How? That is not the first question. "What" matters more.

This is the "what"

Trump's administration ion is considering up to 25% tariffs on the following: (yes I know it has not yet happened... but this is what I was talking about).

1. Agricultural Products: Australian exports like beef could face tariffs, stemming from U.S. concerns about Australia's strict biosecurity measures, which the U.S. sees as barriers to trade (what a non-funny joke).

In 2024, Australia exported approximately $6.8 billion USD worth of agricultural goods to the United States. Key exports included beef, lamb, dairy, and wine. On the other side, the United States exported around $1.64 billion USD in agricultural products to Australia, with items such as pork, dairy products, and fresh fruit making up a significant portion of the trade.
Australia cannot "win" in this exchange.

I hope Australia does not do tariffs in response. I'd prefer we find other markets. CANZUK is a start but if that is not enough, we go to the EU for a free trade agreement.

Let Trump destroy his economy. It is his, and those that voted for him, their choice.

2. Pharmaceuticals: Australia's Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) has faced criticism from the U.S., which might lead to tariffs being imposed on Australian pharmaceutical exports.

Australia exports about 1.2 billion to the USA while the USA export about 2.4billion into Australia. Australian companies like CSL will probably be fine as their products are quite unique, but companies that produce low margin generic pharmaceuticals will be stuffed.

3. Automotive Sector: Exports of cars auto parts from Australia could also become targets for tariffs.

My guess is that this is a niche market and so could survive. But I'd like our , so far, gutless leaders to state that we will defend our industries by providing them an equivalent grant to match the tariff.

You asked "How". I answered with "What and How"

The "Why" is obvious... Trump thinks that tariffs will save the USA from its decline but it will only exacerbate the issues as the Smoot-Hawley bill did in the 1930s. Lord Maynard Keynes predicted the fall of the nations which have hubris at its heart. Specifically, if you do not save money (think pay down debt) when times are good, there will be no money when times are bad.. this is the USA today.

I have looked at the USA's spending ... and getting rid of a few hundred thousand public servants will not solve their problem.

Getting rid of the tax cuts for the rich will!

And, cutting the military budget is paramount... though Elon Musk will attest to this, the Military will push back with what they know.

Back to Australia,

We need to seperate ourselves from sh1T-storm that is the USA. We need reliable partners. Canada, NewZealand and the UK.

Note: I would have included Indonesia but they recent joined the BRICS

The USA is going full isolationist. They are not reliable allies. CANZUK is our best option

That alliance is so small it's pointless. Why would you not involve Japan, Korea and Europe?

 

[nut]

Why? Does it not make us richer if other countries buy our stuff and give us money for it? Isn't that what free trade is about?

So you are happy for the US to benefit from our land, our production, our resources AND PUT Tariffs on us?

 

[Not Important]

this >

“With Dutton doubling down on his Trumpism, and all this clout (financial and propagandising) on his side, things in Australia are looking increasingly disturbing.

Break free of the political duopoly, Australia. The risks are so great when the choice is perceived as binary.”

 

[Ivelisse]

So far, I have only replied to others' emails. I think I should put in my 2 cents.

I have was SEVERLY disappointed with both the Liberal and Labour parties' response to Donald Trump restricting Australia's access to the U.S. market. Comments like "that is not friendly" and "he would have done a deal with me" were beyond weak. They were grovelingly sycophantic. Both Albo and Dutton failed, in my view. But they get another chance, more on that later.

I am told that Australian steel and aluminium will not be overly affected by the tariffs that are in place to this point. The U.S. will still buy our Colorbond and other niche products. And frankly, no new industry will be set up to replace our Fe and Al. They will continue to buy it, but the U.S. consumer will pay more, leading to inflation.

However, the upcoming tariffs WILL have an effect on vulnerable Australian businesses.

So what to do? Retaliatory tariffs? In game theory, it is tit-for-tat without escalation and with diplomacy. That is usually the correct response.

But I hope we go another way. The issue with tariffs is a loss of market. And so, find a new market. Simple? You might say no, but there has been an answer that has been in the works for over 10 years but did not have a catalyst to set it in motion. I think Trump is that catalyst.

What I am talking about is an economic alliance between Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK. It is known as CANZUK (yes, it is clunky to say).

The UK left the EU because of many reasons. However, it has not helped them economically. Boris Johnson was a key Brexit supporter, but he wants in on CANZUK. Tony Abbott (whom I was not a fan of) wants in on CANZUK. The Canadians REALLY want in on CANZUK. And NZ is also more than 70% behind the idea.

Literally, every nation with a letter in the name has an above 70% liking for the idea.

Donald Trump is calling deals he personally (haha) did with Canada stupid... and is breaking them. The guy is willing to break ANY contract. He is inherently untrustworthy.

We cannot deal with an untrustworthy partner.

My question is, is it time for CANZUK?

If you are interested, they have a website.

Now for the bootlicking political parties. Their inability to do their job by putting a royalty on all produce being taken from Australian soil sickens me. How much Australian gas is sold with zero... not joking... zero benefit to Australians?

Find a straight politician, and I'll show you that you are bent while looking.

Yet here are a few...

One stands tall as the best based on the fact that he took his well-made fortune and then tried to hold companies to account. That person is Stephen Mayne. Hands down, the one person I'd choose for Australian Prime Minister.

And then there is a guy who I think has a clue... Ted O'Brien. Once Dutton is done, I hope Ted gets a go.

If Frydenberg comes back, he was useful. Penny Wong is good.

God help Australia if moneybags Palmer gets his nationalist stupidity up and running. Australia will go the same way as his Coolum Golf Course... the way of the dinosaurs.

I once thought the Greens were for the environment, and I voted for them in the Senate. But the party became something else. Oh, how I wish I could vote for a party that actually represented the environment.

For me, the Teals are a protest against the bastardisation of the party/group that we wanted to vote for.

And so, until the major and minor parties wise up, find their balls, and be something other than puppets for the energy industry and overseas interests... they can kiss my a$$.


P.S. Trump's tariffs will take the USA into recession as happened with the US President's Hoover's administrations and their Smoot-Hawley tariff act. At that time it took the world into a depression (lots of other stuff was in play that is not now) and resulted in WW2.
The irony / perversion is that Trump is doing what Hoover did and saying that someone else (2025 Ukraine = 1939 Poland) is setting the stage for WW3. No comedian could write this and have it believed.

"CANZUK" is something anti-EU, anti-Black conservatives paid lip service to 15 years ago.

 

[Satan]