List Mgmt. “It’s a form of tanking” the Richmond rebuild

[Dr Tigris]

Richmond are in a weird spot this year.

Seems like it's the worst draft in many years to hold the #1 pick but it's also probably one of best drafts in many years to have multiple bites at the first round.

Actually from what I hear there isn't a standout like some years. But there are probably about 6 or 7 'normal' pick 1's. Pick 1 isn't weak, just not super strong. After that, lots of good players for a long way into the draft.

 

[SSSSSS]

Actually from what I hear there isn't a standout like some years. But there are probably about 6 or 7 'normal' pick 1's. Pick 1 isn't weak, just not super strong. After that, lots of good players for a long way into the draft.

I'm not an accomplished draft watcher by any means but I have followed it a bit more in the last few years.

I think the top end is pretty weak compared to most years. I certainly wouldn't be taking any of the top 5-6 guys over Reid/Walter/McKercher (I think Jagga is the closest to McKercher but even then I'd pick Colby before him) from last year. Ditto with Sheezel, Ashcroft and Wardlaw.

Just my 2c.

 

[Dr Tigris]

I'm not an accomplished draft watcher by any means but I have followed it a bit more in the last few years.

I think the top end is pretty weak compared to most years. I certainly wouldn't be taking any of the top 5-6 guys over Reid/Walter/McKercher (I think Jagga is the closest to McKercher but even then I'd pick Colby before him) from last year. Ditto with Sheezel, Ashcroft and Wardlaw.

Just my 2c.

There have been a few really elite guys recently, who stand out from this year's crop. This year the standouts are all worthy pick 1's. But none are standout pick 1's. If that makes sense.

So the top one of two picks are weak compared to some of the recent years. But fairly much normal for other years. Eye of the beholder how you phrase that.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Who cares. I’d rather just tee off on the most inaccurate poster. In the history of this forum.

You leave Fadge out of this.

 

[PhatBoy]

You leave Fadge out of this.

Even if I agreed with this in any capacity which I don’t, Fadge could interpret a pie chart that isn’t divided into any parts so he’s one up on Blaisee right from the beginning before getting into the fact that he actually understands what research entails

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Actually from what I hear there isn't a standout like some years. But there are probably about 6 or 7 'normal' pick 1's. Pick 1 isn't weak, just not super strong. After that, lots of good players for a long way into the draft.

As the poster said below, just no… none of the names in the top 6-7 would be no1 any of the previous years or probably even pick 2-3. The top ten is weak compared to previous years. Reid mckercher both easily better than anyone in this crop.

It’s a good draft due to its depth into the 30’s-50’s range batting better than other years, but that’s it.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

There have been a few really elite guys recently, who stand out from this year's crop. This year the standouts are all worthy pick 1's. But none are standout pick 1's. If that makes sense.

So the top one of two picks are weak compared to some of the recent years. But fairly much normal for other years. Eye of the beholder how you phrase that.

There really hasn’t been.

Sam lailor had some stinkers even in the national carnival and he is tipped as one of those 6-7 good players who might go no1

 

[SSSSSS]

There have been a few really elite guys recently, who stand out from this year's crop. This year the standouts are all worthy pick 1's. But none are standout pick 1's. If that makes sense.

So the top one of two picks are weak compared to some of the recent years. But fairly much normal for other years. Eye of the beholder how you phrase that.

There are a lot of players fighting for that #1 pick for 2024 but if you were to compare them to previous draft alumni I can't see anyone from the current crop being on the same level as the likes of Reid, JHF, Daicos, McKercher, Sheezel and Wardlaw.

I don't think I'm alone in that opinion either.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

There are a lot of players fighting for that #1 pick for 2024 but if you were to compare them to previous draft alumni I can't see anyone from the current crop being on the same level as the likes of Reid, JHF, Daicos, McKercher, Sheezel and Wardlaw.

I don't think I'm alone in that opinion either.

Sam lailor would arguably go 5-12 range in most of the other drafts who is shaping as the most probable for the no1 pick.

Had a pretty disappointing showing in the national carnival

 

[Rich01]

Sam lailor would arguably go 5-12 range in most of the other drafts who is shaping as the most probable for the no1 pick.

Had a pretty disappointing showing in the national carnival

70+ posts in this thread telling all and sundry how ordinary this draft is, crazy.
Why don’t you pop on into the d&t board and share your gems? When you do, make sure you spell the draftees names correctly. It gives you a little more cred on the topic at hand.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Laugh70+ posts in this thread telling all and sundry how ordinary this draft is, crazy.
Why don’t you pop on into the d&t board and share your gems? When you do, make sure you spell the draftees names correctly. It gives you a little more cred on the topic at hand.

Naaah, I’d rather stay here and listen to the gems of the Richmond fans saying there is 7 no 1 draft picks in this years crop

 

[Rich01]

Naaah, I’d rather stay here and listen to the gems of the Richmond fans saying there is 7 no 1 draft picks in this years crop

70+ posts posing as the draft expert in this thread suggests you are doing far more than ‘listening’.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

70+ posts posing as the draft expert in this thread suggests you are doing far more than ‘listening’.

It’s a fascinating topic to contribute to this thread. I have already stated many times that this draft has a mediocre top ten but has great depth throughout which is a common view held. Secondly that Richmond aren’t tanking.

You Richmond fans are just way too sensitive, including yourself

 

[Rich01]

It’s a fascinating topic to contribute to this thread. I have already stated many times that this draft has a mediocre top ten but has great depth throughout which is a common view held. Secondly that Richmond aren’t tanking.

You Richmond fans are just way too sensitive, including yourself

I’m not sensitive at all.

I’m enjoying reading your ‘expert’ analysis on the draftees

The amount of time you've spent writing posts about them in this thread doesn’t correlate to the amount of time you spent learning basic things about them like how to spell their names.

 

[Fadge]

I’m not sensitive at all.

I’m enjoying reading your ‘expert’ analysis on the draftees

The amount of time you've spent writing posts about them in this thread doesn’t correlate to the amount of time you spent learning basic things about them like how to spell their names.

Let's hope, for Richmond's sake, a few of them become household names and we all learn to spell their names, and they don't become the 2020's version of Richard Tamberling and Tyrone Vickry.

 

[Rich01]

Let's hope, for Richmond's sake, a few of them become household names and we all learn to spell their names, and they don't become the 2020's version of Richard Tamberling and Tyrone Vickry.

Yup, or Jyhe Clarke.

 

[Fadge]

Yup, or Jyhe Clarke.

Interesting call given there's a high probability the kid has a better career than the two high draft picks I mentioned.

 

[Rich01]

Interesting call given there's a high probability the kid has a better career than the two high draft picks I mentioned.

And so he should- he’s a former high draft pick.

You’ve set the bar pretty low with those two but they eeked out 124 and 125 games respectively. But he looks to have the potential to be a role player for the cats and better than the two you mentioned. Will be interesting to see where he sits in the pecking order with Smith in the team.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I’m not sensitive at all.

I’m enjoying reading your ‘expert’ analysis on the draftees

The amount of time you've spent writing posts about them in this thread doesn’t correlate to the amount of time you spent learning basic things about them like how to spell their names.

Judging by your constant need to try to put down other posters I would say you are sensitive but trying to disguise it.

If you can’t handle the conversation, then you know the way out.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Let's hope, for Richmond's sake, a few of them become household names and we all learn to spell their names, and they don't become the 2020's version of Richard Tamberling and Tyrone Vickry.

When the grammar and spelling police come out and start referencing post counts, you know he is very upset and emotional.

 

[Rich01]

When the grammar and spelling police come out and start referencing post counts, you know he is very upset and emotional.

Hahaha. Not emotional or upset at all. Why would I be, this is a football forum where we discuss footy. Thats your intent when you are posting in this thread countless times for right? To discuss footy?

So tell me more about Lailor and Smily. I’m keen to hear all about their deficiencies.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Hahaha. Not emotional or upset at all. Why would I be, this is a football forum where we discuss footy. Thats your intent when you are posting in this thread countless times for right? To discuss footy?

So tell me more about Lailor and Smily. I’m keen to hear all about their deficiencies.

Sure bro. Take it easy, relax. You know where the door is. You can’t handle the heat of the discussion so go the man.

 

[Do the Dew]

Do I think the Richmond “rebuild” is a form of tanking? No

Did I think Hawthorn were trying to tank last year? No

The only difference between the 2 clubs is the media coverage of both teams. Damien Barrett was very vocal about Hawthorn “Tanking” last year, and how the club should be penalised. Other media personalities at the beginning of last year were also very critical of Hawthorn, but later recanted their views, something Barrett never did.

The Tigers are being applauded for their list clean out and their innovative approach to overhaul their list.

I think this is the major gripe that most Hawk supporters see, is the blatant hypocrisy of the media, in two similar approaches to rejuvenate a playing list. Damien Barrett can self cannibalise by eating a fat turd.

Think all footy fans can agree with you regarding Barrett.

And don't believe he has any Richmond bias - guy has been attacking us for years in his "articles".

 

[Grrr]

Sam lailor would arguably go 5-12 range in most of the other drafts who is shaping as the most probable for the no1 pick.

Had a pretty disappointing showing in the national carnival

You realise Lalor came into the carnival having played very little football. In his own words he was 50% fit early in the season due to preseason injury, one of them a cricket injury. At best he was 80% fit (his words). However in his first Coates game for the year he had 34 disposals and best on ground from the midfield.

Similarly O'Sullivan had an injury interrupted season and likewise came into the carnival underdone and started the season as favourite no.1 pick after starring in his bottom age year. He might not have been at Reid, Daicos or JHF level, but he was at the level of McKercher and the other names mentioned at the time.

There is a reason they both had slightly disappointing carnivals and seasons in general for their talent, and it wasn't based on lack of talent. Lalor has shot up to no.1 contention pretty quickly because his peak could be very high, same with FOS.

 

[Grrr]

Let's hope, for Richmond's sake, a few of them become household names and we all learn to spell their names, and they don't become the 2020's version of Richard Tamberling and Tyrone Vickry.

You mean like Martin, Cotchin, Delidio, Vlastuin, our other top 10 draft picks in that time. The jury is out on Gibcus, but pre injury he was looking very good.

We missed the two mentioned and maybe Conca who was serviceable and played (150 games and a lot of injuries). About normal strike rate, but that doesn't sound clickbait enough for you.