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Injury Russell your feathers - discuss all things high performance; injury lists, Marvel surface, curse from the gods and Andrew Russell
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Our numbers for endurance and sprints have been strong in every game, in fact, we have outperformed the opposition in the 4 metrics most times
Distance travelled, at high speed, sprints and repeat sprints
I'll post those numbers soon, and add to it each week
Confident list management will start to move on perennial injury prone players starting end of this season
Distance travelled, at high speed, sprints and repeat sprints
I'll post those numbers soon, and add to it each week
Confident list management will start to move on perennial injury prone players starting end of this season
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Those blaming high training loads...if you're experts...given we had an early bye and we went soft... ended up 2-3 or 1-4 would you have been happy?? Just curious
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At the very least it will be hamstring watch this weekend!
I no longer see the numbers on the players back...just 22 pairs of hamstrings running around ready to pop!
I no longer see the numbers on the players back...just 22 pairs of hamstrings running around ready to pop!
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I have no real idea about what's going on, and so am an outsider looking at things. What I see is a long injury list, which seems to be a theme for the past few years. I also believe there are some factors which aren't a 'quick fix', ie certain players who don't seem to be as durable as others, but who won't/ can't be moved on until contract period is done, and suitable arrangements are in place for replacement(s) that actually value add to the team.
But one thing that gives me confidence is the stability and experience of Cook and the board. I don't see (IMO) that they are 'quick fix' types, but will be about a process that drives long terms stability /security/ success...
But one thing that gives me confidence is the stability and experience of Cook and the board. I don't see (IMO) that they are 'quick fix' types, but will be about a process that drives long terms stability /security/ success...
Frustrating that Jack Martin’s low grade hamstring injury requires a conditioning block and a spell of 5-6 weeks out , whereas Cez and Gov (thankfully) are 1-2 weeks’ out. Jack’s hamstrings really must be paper thin.
So the data says we consistently run harder than our opponents, and logically we've had to train harder to be able to do this on gameday.
It's not a big leap to suggest that we're playing a style that's more taxing than other teams. So we can expect our players to sustain more soft tissue injuries as a result.
If the coaches have told the fitness staff to get the players to be able to outperform the league in high speed repeat sprints... there's no way you're going to be able to do that without increasing the risk of pinging things.
It’s because he had a knee injury before the hammy, so had had too much time out.
He’s accountable, on massive dollars to get our players on the park.
The idea of stupidity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.
We did that with Hughes and Rogers, which completely ****ed our rebuild in the 2000s-2010’s.
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Why would anyone celebrate a half decent injury list, that should be the expectation
When it’s a shambles for years on end you have to change things up. It’s not working
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Jack Martin was on my flight to Canberra last week. Pretty easy to spot as he rocked up in full Carlton training gear. He travels up there a lot for specialist treatment. Couldn't spot where they connect the gaffa tape and string that holds him together.
Most likely different reasons for each player.
AFL Hamstring Injuries: Causes, Treatment and Prevention
Learn about hamstring injuries in AFL: causes, treatment, and prevention. Discover expert insights and strategies to reduce the risk of future injuries
www.coastsport.com.au
Hamstring strain injuries are common across a range of sports. They remain one of the main causes of time lost to injury within all levels of Aussie rules football.
Hamstring injuries have been reported at 6.1 new hamstring injuries per club per year, with a recurrence rate of almost 1 in 4. Potential risk factors to hamstring strains include hamstring muscle weakness and thigh muscle imbalance, previous hamstring injury, other previous injury and age.
In the case of Martin and McGovern, previous hamstring/leg muscle injuries plus age could be reasons and puts them at greater risk of recurrence.
Not sure if Saad’s had previous leg injuries, I’ve always thought the way he runs at speed and pivots to kick across his body must put a lot of strain on his leg.
Too simplistic to say it’s training loads for all players when there’s so many other reasons and factors at play.
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I'd be curious to know if there's been a change in our high performance strategy from last year to this year.
I thought we did reasonably well last year. Hopefully when all is said and done, this year we'll have done well also.
Lots still to play out, but I can understand people's frustration.
I thought we did reasonably well last year. Hopefully when all is said and done, this year we'll have done well also.
Lots still to play out, but I can understand people's frustration.
It is in my opinion, a deadset giveaway that he did not present in optimal condition in pre season. We have him back in the fold so to speak, so to try to get bang for buck, we want to get him fit before sending him out. Hopefully he will repay us come finals time.
As for his contract year…
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But we had heaps of injuries last year. Martin, Marchbank and Cunners didn’t play in the first half of the year. Even during the winning run Cerra injured and re-injured himself, same Walsh. Kennedy, Mackay, Pittonet and TDk all missed chunks. SOS couldn’t overcome a knee strain sustained during the Eagles game. Yet we beat the likes of Collingwood, Port, Melbourne (twice) and Sydney, all finals teams from last year.
Maybe there was a change from last year to cater for the early season bye hence the talk of heavier loads. This seems fair enough and it’s also harsh to condemn the team given having such an early bye is largely uncharted territory for everyone. Also as someone put maybe without the heavier loads we don’t overrun Brisbane and we’re 1-4 or 2-3 instead of 4-1.
The current situation is certainly frustrating and I am nervous that if we have more injuries this week then there will come a tipping point where eventually Voss is forced to pick players he wouldn’t otherwise consider. But at least for this week we will be fielding a very strong team note than capable of beating the Giants.
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Is that what I said, no.
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There are a number of areas that are link into one another that directly impact injuries.
It's gamestyle, it's LM, it's player commitment & it's high performance.
Like seeking to attribute wins & losses to one player or coach, it's lazy & a bit silly to try to attribute it all to one person.
I've no skin in the game when it comes to AR but find the rush to allocate blame to him to be emotive & misinformed but ultimately if he's not the guy for the job, I have little doubt he'll be moved on.
I'm sure the club is taking this all very seriously, they all have more skin in the game than any of us & are better positioned to understand what is actually occurring.
It's gamestyle, it's LM, it's player commitment & it's high performance.
Like seeking to attribute wins & losses to one player or coach, it's lazy & a bit silly to try to attribute it all to one person.
I've no skin in the game when it comes to AR but find the rush to allocate blame to him to be emotive & misinformed but ultimately if he's not the guy for the job, I have little doubt he'll be moved on.
I'm sure the club is taking this all very seriously, they all have more skin in the game than any of us & are better positioned to understand what is actually occurring.
I felt during our terrible run of form last year the issue could have been we had gone too easy with the training over compensating for 2022 late season fade out and injuries.
Now we may have gone too far the other way.
I’m no Russell fan based on evidence since he’s been with the club.
I’m sure some people will say it’s not his fault etc but really what can he be held accountable for if you don’t criticise him?
To attribute all of the issues to JR would be silly, but to say it definitely has nothing to do with him is also weirdly defensive.
Not saying you are doing that but seems like many are.
Voss pummelled at today's presser regarding the injury list. His response best described as defiant ... not going to change the approach.
No need to entertain the questions, that's something Cook make comment, which I doubt he will
No need for a running commentary
Not sure if mentioned previously, but surely Brad Lloyd has to be in the firing line. General Manager of Football that oversees list management, high performance and coaching - the three key issues here.
He has been there for a while now and we seem to have the same injury issues every year. Was lucky to survive the Sayers clean up of the club I thought.
He has been there for a while now and we seem to have the same injury issues every year. Was lucky to survive the Sayers clean up of the club I thought.
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What's this based on?
Agree - be interested to see how the narrative develops in the coming weeks.
