Opinion Can Dustin Martin be the GOAT? (Answer: no)

[TiggerMan22]

Must've clicked the wrong link, mate. You're looking for this - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forums/bay-13.138/

If you're gonna try to troll, you gotta be a little more subtle. Even the most stubborn harder can't argue he didn't deserve the 2020 norm smith lol. Kinda invalidates you completely when you write something that stupid aha

 

[JackOutback]

I doubt you have been watching fully. Dusty was BOG or near to it at HT v Blues and Port before fading due to his leg issue. After a freshen up to get that right, he returns and is in the coaches votes. He is playing quality football.

Now we're measuring (near) BOG for a half?

In 2024 Dusty is averaging:

• a career low 2.3 clangers per match
• a career high 8.9 disposals per clanger
• near career low 3.7 turnovers per match, and
• relatively high 5.6 disposals per turnover.

Never mind, you're measuring everything except the stats that matter.

 

[maskmcgee]

In 2024 Dusty is averaging:

• a career low 2.3 clangers per match
• a career high 8.9 disposals per clanger
• near career low 3.7 turnovers per match, and
• relatively high 5.6 disposals per turnover.

So basically he's a baby who refuses to play midfield and only play an uncontested role where he is never under any pressure and it's impossible make mistakes

 

[Meteoric Rise]

So basically he's a baby who refuses to play midfield and only play an uncontested role where he is never under any pressure and it's impossible make mistakes

So long as Dusty is a baby who refuses to be part of the 135 players who were not BOG in each of his 3 Grand Finals, or the 100 odd Brownlow winners who did not poll record votes, or the 1300 odd players who have never polled record coaches votes, or the 14,000 players who have played in the competition but were not the GOAT, then I don't suppose we are ever going to mind what you think of him.

 

[RUNVS]

So basically he's a baby who refuses to play midfield and only play an uncontested role where he is never under any pressure and it's impossible make mistakes

and even then he only has a disposal efficiency of 62.9% which is not a lot given the position he plays.

 

[Mr Meow]

This doesn't seem to be borne out in his statistical record.

In 2024 Dusty is averaging:

• a career low 2.3 clangers per match
• a career high 8.9 disposals per clanger
• near career low 3.7 turnovers per match, and
• relatively high 5.6 disposals per turnover.

His goals, goal assist, score involvements and score involvement % all seem to be around career averages give or take a little in either direction. The only numbers that look a little abnormal for him are his contested possessions, where he is running at 7 per match, normally this would be around 10, and this possibly helps to explain his better clanger and turnover numbers.

I have seen a lot of Dusty play as you would expect. Apart from his two second half fadeouts v Carlton and Port he has looked very close to his brilliant best. He doesn't get every play perfect but nobody does or ever has.

This is a situation where the stats don't tell the full story. Even with all of Richmond's absences, Martin has been named in Richmond's best players in just one game this season.

To Martin's credit he still manages to have scoreboard impact with his few good moments a match, but he offers nothing defensively and has now had 3 games of 16 disposals or less from his 4 played. Which would be fine if his disposal efficiency has been strong, but it hasn't.

3 clearances for Martin so far in 2024 when Richmond's midfield could desperately do with some help. This isn't the same as a 35 year old Ablett permanently moving to the forward line when the midfield was well stocked.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This is a situation where the stats don't tell the full story. Even with all of Richmond's absences, Martin has been named in Richmond's best players in just one game this season.

To Martin's credit he still manages to have scoreboard impact with his few good moments a match, but he offers nothing defensively and has now had 3 games of 16 disposals or less from his 4 played. Which would be fine if his disposal efficiency has been strong, but it hasn't.

3 clearances for Martin so far in 2024 when Richmond's midfield could desperately do with some help. This isn't the same as a 35 year old Ablett permanently moving to the forward line when the midfield was well stocked.

Lol, you are obsessed. I suppose you didn't hear what Yze had to say about it post match...

 

[Mr Meow]

Lol, you are obsessed. I suppose you didn't hear what Yze had to say about it post match...

I don't watch press conferences, maybe you can enlighten me.

I'm guessing it'll be something similar to the usual excuses we get if Martin fails to fire: unfit, injured, sick, depressed. He's less banged up than Dangerfield so those excuses just don't fly.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I don't watch press conferences, maybe you can enlighten me.

I'm guessing it'll be something similar to the usual excuses we get if Martin fails to fire: unfit, injured, sick, depressed. He's less banged up than Dangerfield so those excuses just don't fly.

Do your own research before shooting your gob off. And how the hell would you have any clue as to the precise physical condition of either player?

 

[Mr Meow]

Do your own research before shooting your gob off. And how the hell would you have any clue as to the precise physical condition of either player?

You seem to be seriously angry today, so I'm fine to continue as is.

The onus is on you to bring the information that dismisses what I'm saying: that Martin has had another disappointing start to a season when Richmond are struggling.

Just start rolling out the excuses and I can give them a look.

 

[PhatBoy]

Do your own research before shooting your gob off. And how the hell would you have any clue as to the precise physical condition of either player?

Calm down there old boy, as you would say to me.
He was named in the side he can’t have been that bad.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Calm down there old boy, as you would say to me.
He was named in the side he can’t have been that bad.

He was perfectly fit as far as I know. So you are reading things into my post that I didn't put there.

 

[PhatBoy]

He was perfectly fit as far as I know. So you are reading things into my post that I didn't put there.

 

[Mr Meow]

He was perfectly fit as far as I know. So you are reading things into my post that I didn't put there.

Ablett at 33 years old had 17 games averaging 33 disposals and 7.6 clearances a game. He went at 4.36 coaches votes a game. His body was broken down by this point.

Richmond desperately need support in midfield right now. Dusty is what, too old and tired to move from his flank? Bored?

In reality this is similar to his tepid start to 2023, that really only got going in the back half of the year once Richmond's season was dead and buried. Is Martin "timing his run" in a similar way for 2024?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Ablett at 33 years old had 17 games averaging 33 disposals and 7.6 clearances a game. He went at 4.36 coaches votes a game. His body was broken down by this point.

Richmond desperately need support in midfield right now. Dusty is what, too old and tired to move from his flank? Bored?

In reality this is similar to his tepid start to 2023, that really only got going in the back half of the year once Richmond's season was dead and buried. Is Martin "timing his run" in a similar way for 2024?

Yze explained it in his presser.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yze explained it in his presser.

Explanation not satisfactory. Perhaps you can build on it.

 

[The Dougster]

Hate to say it but The Champ could be in his last season. I hope I am wrong but if he does retire then one positive is that my 8 year old son is a chance to come back to North

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Explanation not satisfactory. Perhaps you can build on it.

You have the same information I have.

 

[Mr Meow]

You have the same information I have.

If you can't build on it, I'm not satisfied.

So we are left with Martin only digging in and being the contributor Richmond needed once so far this season.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Hate to say it but The Champ could be in his last season. I hope I am wrong but if he does retire then one positive is that my 8 year old son is a chance to come back to North

You would wish that on an 8 year old?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If you can't build on it, I'm not satisfied.

So we are left with Martin only digging in and being the contributor Richmond needed once so far this season.

Lol, when you start running with a narrative that is complimentary to Dusty then and only then will I get truly worried.

 

[The Dougster]

You would wish that on an 8 year old?

I've told him Richmond's on the way down and we're on the way up but he's not buying it

 

[Altum Volantes]

I've told him Richmond's on the way down and we're on the way up but he's not buying it

Smart kid.

Congrats.

 

[The Dougster]

Smart kid.

Congrats.

Give it time

 

[Altum Volantes]

Give it time

I’m sure he’ll turn out ok mate.