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[Leap of Faith]

The quickest way to overcome that is to cast your mind back to 1984 and the Scheme of Arrangements that saved St Kilda from bankruptcy.

Allan Jeans, who was Hawthorn coach at the time, rallied the past players to accept the Scheme so the club could continue to exist. They were the club’s largest number of creditors.

Carlton, who as a creditor was owed money for transfer fees, voted to wind St Kilda up rather than to accept the Scheme.

Never, ever, feel sorry for Carlton. Ever.

Thanks for the reminder

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

The quickest way to overcome that is to cast your mind back to 1984 and the Scheme of Arrangements that saved St Kilda from bankruptcy.

Allan Jeans, who was Hawthorn coach at the time, rallied the past players to accept the Scheme so the club could continue to exist. They were the club’s largest number of creditors.

Carlton, who as a creditor was owed money for transfer fees, voted to wind St Kilda up rather than to accept the Scheme.

Never, ever, feel sorry for Carlton. Ever.

Carlton was owed about $1500.

Pricks happy to kills us over $1500.

Fk.

Them.


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[Winmar2Lockett]

Calm down stackhat, I never said that that was his ceiling. Just his baseline is as a safe bet player. It was in comparison to Tauru who may be a bit higher risk but with the type of uncapped ceiling of guys like Bont and Fyfe. Trav might be the best of the lot but I think we took them with a bit of a safe bet and a sky's the limit type.

Not sure you understand much about anything to be honest. Nothing you have written in your essay contradicts anything I have posted. I was one of the few who rated Travaglia in the draft you naughty little disingenuous champignon.

Hahaha Stackhat… I’m pinching that

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[Ads734]

Calm down stackhat, I never said that that was his ceiling. Just his baseline is as a safe bet player. It was in comparison to Tauru who may be a bit higher risk but with the type of uncapped ceiling of guys like Bont and Fyfe. Trav might be the best of the lot but I think we took them with a bit of a safe bet and a sky's the limit type.

Not sure you understand much about anything to be honest. Nothing you have written in your essay contradicts anything I have posted. I was one of the few who rated Travaglia in the draft you naughty little disingenuous champignon.

Gringo you are literally the biggest yo-yo on this forum.

Anyways.

Happy with both. More young skinny blondes I say.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

meh coin is coin...i trust the powers at be to get it all right

And free pick wise. Incredible selling point. The $ is staggering, but I guess we just want one in the door and I’d rather take the draft pick with us. (And not ever use it on Bergman)

 

[stavro#4]

 

[True Believer]

You need to go to the doctors and get checked out. Or a jab or something.

I’d be really concerned on the prognosis if you are genuinely feeling compassion for that footy club and its fans.

If all the Bloos fans were locked in a room with a madman pouring petrol all over them, there's a good chance I'd hand the madman a box of matches.

Let them rot......

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah I know - I was surprised to learn that the blood system is apparently interconnected.


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Sounds like he's very unhygienic then. My blood doesn't poison my joints. Delist.

 

[Diehard Saint]

They are the opposite to us. They have a handful of elite stars ad a few more good players but then drop away quickly after that. Because we were never able to attract stars we have a handful of A graders and then a huge amount of B graders and talented kids behind them. Most of the B graders can play A grade games on their day so we are hard to stop and bat deep.

Lyon has the opposite problem from his last tenure where he has less absolute cream but a greater spread. Only time will tell if this is a better list for a challenge.

The old team of champions vs a champion team conundrum.
The former didn’t work for us - here’s hoping the latter will.

 

[gringo2011]

Gringo you are literally the biggest yo-yo on this forum.

Anyways.

Happy with both. More young skinny blondes I say.

No denying my extremes but I'll leave the twink worship for you boss. Just want guns whatever they look like.

 

[Diehard Saint]

It’s clear Carlton cannot go close to matching St Kilda’s offer.

It’s a simple decision for TDK. What discount in salary is he prepared to accept to re-sign with the Blues?

Unless he is receiving money in brown paper bags then TDK will surely choose Saints. Unless Carlton decides to trade-out a big name player and create more space in their salary cap.

But that leaves them even more chronically exposed to having a smaller cabal of overpaid players hogging their salary cap. I can’t see a smart operator like Graham Wright letting that happen.

It’s hard to see (at the moment) TDK rebuffing the Saints offer.

With Phillipou close to signing a new deal the final domino to fall will be NWM. And it’s likely that NWM must be impressed watching everyone else at the club recommitting going forward.

This can only further help to get TDK over the line. Especially if we can keep winning and Carlton keeps losing.

“Easy” way for Carlton to get a first round draft pick.
Bloody Hawks laughing all the way to the draft at this point.

Imagine if Carlton finish tenth. That #11 compo pick will finish off the Blues supporters.

 

[sammm]

I hate that I'm feeling compassion for them.

i dont

 

[wannabewinner]

Agree

And Ratts lost the players when he blamed them for not giving Hill the ball enough when Hill was struggling

Ratts lost me the day he gave Sam Rowe a freebie 100th game and allowed Sydney an easy smashing.

 

[bird_man]

I see the forgotten DeKoning has moved back to defence and looks very good so far tonight.

 

[Ekomaira]

I see the forgotten DeKoning has moved back to defence and looks very good so far tonight.

i thought he always played defence granted i dont pay much attention to footy outside of St Kilda these days

 

[bird_man]

i thought he always played defence granted i dont pay much attention to footy outside of St Kilda these days

He's played first ruck this season until tonight, including against us.

 

[Ekomaira]

He's played first ruck this season until tonight, including against us.

my memory might be non-existent. not a bad quirk as a Saints fan

 

[Teflon]

How Carlton is not writing a blank check to horse I’ll never know.

If they got Horse I tip DeKoning would have no trouble staying put

 

[marcus1232]

If they got Horse I tip DeKoning would have no trouble staying put

I think the Carlton job is a poisoned chalice now.

Cripps while still a gun isn’t the same player he was even compared to last year.
Walsh looks cooked
Cerra is average at best.

Curnow and McKay while brilliant on there days are unreliable.

TDK probably as good as gone
TBH there best player is wietering.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think the Carlton job is a poisoned chalice now.

Cripps while still a gun isn’t the same player he was even compared to last year.
Walsh looks cooked
Cerra is average at best.

Curnow and McKay while brilliant on there days are unreliable.

TDK probably as good as gone
TBH there best player is wietering.

Cripps does fine, he's the first cog in the wheel, he digs in , gets it out, then they **** it up.

 

[marcus1232]

Cripps does fine, he's the first cog in the wheel, he digs in , gets it out, then they **** it up.

Not saying he is not a gun imagine what they would be without him.
Just think he has peaked and he plays a bruising game style

 

[austinnn]

Stocker?

and Caminiti

 

[jwint43]

I'm still quite baffled by our monster offer to TDK. At the end of the day, both he and Marshall play their best footy as the number one ruck. Ro can be handy drifting forward at times but doesn't look particularly dangerous as a permanent forward, and TDK has never kicked 10 goals in a season. I'd much rather we present the godfather offer to LDU or another gun mid.

If we don't lose any required players and recruit TDK, this is how I imagine our preferred team would look like in 2026

B: Webster, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Nas, Caminiti, Sinclair
C: Hill, Steele, Wilson
HF: Owens, Marshall, Wood
F: Higgins, King, Hall/Collard/Butler

Foll: TDK, MCcray, Phillipou
Int: Garcia, Travaglia, Windhager, Sharman

Something like that might work, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the net result of having both of them in the team isn't substantially better than just having one.

Marshall is turning 30 and has had the heaviest workload of almost any ruck in the last 3 years while barely missing a game. We've been incredibly fortunate that he hasn't gone down for long periods because for a while we had no genuine backup option. It might look awkward for a few years but they plan to have TDK for when our current young brigade is in the 24-28 range.

I drafted TDK in fantasy this year so I have been paying close attention to him, and he is so far and away the most important player for Carlton.

The beginning of their downfall last year was losing him for the year and having Pittonet solo ruck, I think they were 8-2 when he went down and won 4 games for the rest of the year. He has the best leap of any ruck, is a fantastic mark and has good follow up work around the ground. His only downside is he can still be beaten physically, Darcy Cameron had his number last night.


On a side note and more of a general comment - I don't like the general narrative in the media that we can only attract players by offering money so ludicrous that it would be impossible to turn down, but if we get a 2nd flag and a sustained period of winning out of it then it will long be a distant memory. I think TDK was probably leaning towards staying at the start of the year when Carlton were pre season flag fancies, but if they don't sniff finals I think we will get him.

 

[wannabewinner]

Marshall is turning 30 and has had the heaviest workload of almost any ruck in the last 3 years while barely missing a game.

Most ruckman play till well in their 30s. Don’t know how well Marshall will play in his 30s. Still think he’s got at least 4 years left.

 

[crasha301]

Marshalls training load between games is meant to be the lowest in the club because it takes him that much longer to recover from being crashed and bashed.

I think bringing in TDK well benifit Ro greatly, from having to carry less of the load.

TDK will probably take the centre bounces and then everything in the defensive half and Ro will take everything forward allowing TDK to sit behind the ball.


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