2025 Federal Election: A Pox o' Both Your Houses

[Sphynx]

It’s almost like they’ve used a mechanism to reduce their taxable income …

Even if that is the case and the number was $120k, does it really move the needle in this discussion?

My point was, it's a mechanism used and avilable throughout society and not isolated to ultra high income earners.

 

[nut]

Even if that is the case and the number was $120k, does it really move the needle in this discussion?

My point was, it's a mechanism used and avilable throughout society and not isolated to ultra high income earners.

Well yes that’s why it needs to go…
With clever accounting someone on 500k can reduce there taxable to 80k

 

[Sphynx]

Well yes that’s why it needs to go…
With clever accounting someone on 500k can reduce there taxable to 80k

70% of the population earns $500k and reduces it down to $80k?

It's not possible in current lending laws.

 

[faible]

70% of the population earns $500k and reduces it down to $80k?

It's not possible in current lending laws.

That article wasn't 70% of the population.

It shows that a lot of younger people, with investment properties, run then at a loss of some level (or did in 2012), but not necessarily the cost of that loss to the taxpayer.

This is a more recent article that raises a few things, among those whether we should be incentivising housing as an investment option (IMO we shouldn't).

Negative gearing and capital gains tax discount driving up house prices

Restricting negative gearing and scrapping the capital gains tax discount would make housing more affordable and increase home ownership rates, the

australiainstitute.org.au

The benefits of these tax concessions are shared unequally, with more than two thirds of the concessions going to the top 10% of income earners, while the bottom half of taxpayers get less than one tenth of the concessions.

 

[peetoo]

70% of negative gearing is utilised by people with a taxable income of less than $80,000 per year.

Correct should be

70% of individual taxpayers utilising negative gearing are people with a taxable income of less than $80k

The cost to the budget of the other 30% could be 10, 20, 30 times that of the 70%

 

[Chicken Treat]

Yeah it appeared that many times on a page.

Pity I don't live in the electorate.

Nor will I vote for him if I did.

 

[Forward Press]

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Yeah it appeared that many times on a page.

Pity I don't live in the electorate.

Nor will I vote for him if I did.

My social media feed is filled with people criticising Kate Chaney (the current teal) for having a voting record resembling bits and pieces of ALP, coalition and the Greens. Yes, they prefer a person voting 100% with the coalition as better representing the electorate than someone who isn't bound by party politics and votes for what they think their voters want. Do they think Tom White will represent Curtin better than an independent?

I'm hoping she is re-elected with an increased majority.

 

[CakeEater]

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Yeah it appeared that many times on a page.

Pity I don't live in the electorate.

Nor will I vote for him if I did.

You could always Uber into his electorate mate

 

[Chicken Treat]

My social media feed is filled with people criticising Kate Chaney (the current teal) for having a voting record resembling bits and pieces of ALP, coalition and the Greens. Yes, they prefer a person voting 100% with the coalition as better representing the electorate than someone who isn't bound by party politics and votes for what they think their voters want. Do they think Tom White will represent Curtin better than an independent?

I'm hoping she is re-elected with an increased majority.

I would've had her pencilled in as the first teal to fall, but given the WA Election just gone I think she can hold her seat. The Facebook nutters are thankfully more of a minority than many think.

 

[Borisdog]

I would've had her pencilled in as the first teal to fall, but given the WA Election just gone I think she can hold her seat. The Facebook nutters are thankfully more of a minority than many think.

Ditto the Big Footy political "commentariat"

 

[Demonic Ascent]

One party has policy the other has a series of thought bubbles.

They have policies, they just dare not speak them too loudly.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I've had the tv on in the background most of today.

I know it's much easier to plan your campaign spend from government, and I know it's a very limited sample size - but given how many people vote early now it's significant that the proportion of ads I've seen across various fox sports channels and youtube today has been about 75% ALP, about 20% Palmer's Puppetry of the Penishead Party, and about 5% Advance Australia.

Not sure I've seen a single thing from the Libs?

We all knew this election was coming, so it can't be that they don't have access to the ad space. Political parties always find ad space from vested interests even when it's full in any case. So have they got no money? They hated all the ads that they'd made pre-budget, proving that tax cut proper wedged them strategically? Or they've made a conscious decision to delay broad scale advertising for a week or 2?

Ads tailored by algorithm?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

What a goose. Refusing to divulge where the PS 40000 cuts will come from? and IF they will contract out those jobs.
costing more. Someone needs to actually do the work.

Refusing to give energy details as well.

The media should be hammering him on this. Give us the details! Or in other words if you don't know, vote no, right?

 

[peetoo]

My social media feed is filled with people criticising Kate Chaney (the current teal) for having a voting record resembling bits and pieces of ALP, coalition and the Greens. Yes, they prefer a person voting 100% with the coalition as better representing the electorate than someone who isn't bound by party politics and votes for what they think their voters want. Do they think Tom White will represent Curtin better than an independent?

I'm hoping she is re-elected with an increased majority.

I reckon it’s an ill. advised americanised strategy which will backfire as leaflets arrive in every household which normally doesn’t vote liberal.

I’m pretty happy how Ryan in kooyong votes, thanks for reminding me suckers

 

[Ticky009]

Police have confirmed that the images are not illegal. McCormack being of course the local sitting National Party member.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Police have confirmed that the images are not illegal. McCormack being of course the local sitting National Party member.

I bet they complain about "snowflakes"...

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Wow, and the day after Dutton legitimately had a crack at the press saying there was no possible way for Labor to get a majority...all of a sudden you have a poll where Labor look on track to win anywhere up to 80 seats.

Dutton's arrogance on show for everyone to see, thought he could just walk this one in on a Trumpist "are you better off since last election" message when the actual message people are tuning into is, "can you imagine the bloodbath if the Libs had actually been in power the last three years?" Can tell you right now the working class would have been sacrificed to the inflation gods long ago with queues to Centrelink going on for miles.

We have a winner. There's enough people out there that will be fooled by Dutton and his parties rhetoric but we would be down the bottom of the rabbit hole if they were running things right now. They know it too and so do the media that's why they have worked their arse off trying to get people to forget what it was like in 2022.

 

[peetoo]

We have a winner. There's enough people out there that will be fooled by Dutton and his parties rhetoric but we would be down the bottom of the rabbit hole if they were running things right now. They know it too and so do the media that's why they have worked their arse off trying to get people to forget what it was like in 2022.

Maybe the ‘let’s get australia back on track’ ill conceived slogan helps people think back to then…..when they sat on their hands, cancelled parliament except for a vanity project ‘religious discrimination bill’

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

The ALP should put out an ad like this:

(Poker table at a casino, camera is in first person perspective of a man playing. The dealer has five cards laid out, three upturned featuring solar panels and two face down.)

Voiceover: The whole world is moving to renewable energy...

(The man looks down at the two cards in his hand, both of which have nuclear symbols.)

Voiceover: ...But Peter Dutton thinks he knows better than everyone else. He wants to go nuclear.

(The man puts down his cards and grabs his entire pile of chips.)

Voiceover: In fact, he wants to bet the house on it. 600 billion dollars of your money.

(The figure $600 billion appears briefly on the screen.)

(The man looks to his side where a woman in tears is grabbing his shoulder.)

Woman: Please darling, don't do it, don't gamble away our future!

(The man looks back over to his hands, moves all his chips to the middle of the table and says "all in".)

Voiceover: But this reckless gamble won't end well for us. It'll increase the average electricity bill by $606 for households and $1182 for small businesses.

(The dealer upturns the last two cards, one of which shows a house, below which is a red arrow pointing up and the text +$606, the other of which shows a shop, below which is a red arrow pointing up and the text +$1182.)

(The dealer takes all the chips. Suddenly, the lights in the casino flicker, then go out, leaving a black screen.)

Voiceover: And if there are any delays at all, we risk running out of power and not being able to keep the lights on.

(White text appears on the black screen)

Voiceover: If Dutton wins, you lose.

(Authorisation)

That's actually fantastic

 

[Saint]

70% of the population earns $500k and reduces it down to $80k?

It's not possible in current lending laws.

It is for 50% out of that 70% of people whose partners make $350k per annum.

What % of negatively geared properties aren't owned by two people (or the trust thereof).

For example, all the partners of Parliamentarians who work part-time are individuals who negatively gear, in partnership with their spouse. All of those partners are negatively gearing individuals.

 

[Barrybran]

Poll needs more options. I'm currently undecided but not LNP.

 

[Barrybran]

It would be nice if there was a viable third option to Labor/LNP though. I don't think much changes until we take this option seriously.

 

[kranky al]

The ALP should put out an ad like this:

(Poker table at a casino, camera is in first person perspective of a man playing. The dealer has five cards laid out, three upturned featuring solar panels and two face down.)

Voiceover: The whole world is moving to renewable energy...

(The man looks down at the two cards in his hand, both of which have nuclear symbols.)

Voiceover: ...But Peter Dutton thinks he knows better than everyone else. He wants to go nuclear.

(The man puts down his cards and grabs his entire pile of chips.)

Voiceover: In fact, he wants to bet the house on it. 600 billion dollars of your money.

(The figure $600 billion appears briefly on the screen.)

(The man looks to his side where a woman in tears is grabbing his shoulder.)

Woman: Please darling, don't do it, don't gamble away our future!

(The man looks back over to his hands, moves all his chips to the middle of the table and says "all in".)

Voiceover: But this reckless gamble won't end well for us. It'll increase the average electricity bill by $606 for households and $1182 for small businesses.

(The dealer upturns the last two cards, one of which shows a house, below which is a red arrow pointing up and the text +$606, the other of which shows a shop, below which is a red arrow pointing up and the text +$1182.)

(The dealer takes all the chips. Suddenly, the lights in the casino flicker, then go out, leaving a black screen.)

Voiceover: And if there are any delays at all, we risk running out of power and not being able to keep the lights on.

(White text appears on the black screen)

Voiceover: If Dutton wins, you lose.

(Authorisation)

Brilliant..

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The ALP should put out an ad like this:

(Poker table at a casino, camera is in first person perspective of a man playing. The dealer has five cards laid out, three upturned featuring solar panels and two face down.)

Voiceover: The whole world is moving to renewable energy...

(The man looks down at the two cards in his hand, both of which have nuclear symbols.)

Voiceover: ...But Peter Dutton thinks he knows better than everyone else. He wants to go nuclear.

(The man puts down his cards and grabs his entire pile of chips.)

Voiceover: In fact, he wants to bet the house on it. 600 billion dollars of your money.

(The figure $600 billion appears briefly on the screen.)

(The man looks to his side where a woman in tears is grabbing his shoulder.)

Woman: Please darling, don't do it, don't gamble away our future!

(The man looks back over to his hands, moves all his chips to the middle of the table and says "all in".)

Voiceover: But this reckless gamble won't end well for us. It'll increase the average electricity bill by $606 for households and $1182 for small businesses.

(The dealer upturns the last two cards, one of which shows a house, below which is a red arrow pointing up and the text +$606, the other of which shows a shop, below which is a red arrow pointing up and the text +$1182.)

(The dealer takes all the chips. Suddenly, the lights in the casino flicker, then go out, leaving a black screen.)

Voiceover: And if there are any delays at all, we risk running out of power and not being able to keep the lights on.

(White text appears on the black screen)

Voiceover: If Dutton wins, you lose.

(Authorisation)

Wouldn't they have to put a disclaimer, what with it being a gambling ad?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Wouldn't they have to put a disclaimer, what with it being a gambling ad?

They already have to put an authorisation in. Sneak it in there, two for the price of one.