List Mgmt. List Management 2024-25

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Midfielders:
Zak Bailey
Will Hayward
Jack Graham
Brandon Parfitt

Small forwards:
Jesse Motlop
Malcolm Rosas

Defender:
Blake Hardwick
Harry Perryman

shake any of these players loose and they would be add some key elements we are missing.

Fin Macrae
Mattes Phillipou
Lloyd Johnston

These guys have potential.

NWM and Pickett are signed - no happening anytime soon.

Yeo and Macrae would have been good last year, both are 30 ish now.
 
JUSTWORK said:
Jackson has shown some promise in the SANFL.
Sinn is a bust, time to accept that and is just waiting to be delisted.
Macallum, i've seen nothing to suggest to me he gets another contract.
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Jackson has shown the most of those 3 in the SANFL, but is very lightly framed and will probably need to put on at least 5 extra kg's of muscle to have a chance of surviving at the next level.

Sinn who has arguably never played any more than the occasional good qtr for the Maggies is unfortunately so injury prone it would be no great surprise if he hurt himself stepping off the veranda at home.

McCallum has looked way out of his depth at SANFL level, and could be kicking the dew off the grass in a much lesser comp by this time next year.
 

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Long live PAFC said:
I made this point in another thread but we have not depth.

All of our AFL level players are playing in the first 22. Burgoyne, McKenzie, Sweet, Williams are all ok depth. Clurey, Boak and Wines are done. McEntee shouldn’t be in the side. Burton alternates between adequate and not AFL standard. Lord has had about two games - who knows. Sinn, Jackson and Macallum could be something, if they ever get off the injured list, so realistically they’re done. Marshall, Scully, Walsh, Visentini and the recent draftees - well who knows if any of them make the grade eventually, certainly none are AFL standard right now.

So we have a legitimately good 20 or so players and then another handful who are adequate depth, then nothing.

Our list has big problems.
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It sure does.

But just like every other employee at the club, Cripps and Parker seem to have tenure for eternity.

If ever a club needed a complete broom through the joint it's us. Coaches, footy department, conditioning, the whole lot.

How anyone (Koch) can sit back and continually watch this mess go on year after year and seriously think to themself that the way forward is to 'employ from within' is staggering. It's not like we haven't had enough clear evidence to form a reasoned assessment.

It almost has to be self-sabotage at this point in time.
 
I think the List Management Department have done a good job over the years and probably have kept Kenny Average in a job all of these years because Kenny with an average list is not going to be able to downhill ski.

The other main issue why I bump the List Managers up is that Kenny Average has never been able to develop tall players well. During his tenure, Kenny has struggled to develop rucks, tall back and tall forwards. Only Marshall comes to mind and he is a very intelligent and creative players and didn't need much development really. So the List Managers have had to use capital for the weaknesses in Kenny's coaching instead of renewing the list so to speak. Like last year where we traded a whole heap of capital including a first round pick for Soldo, Sweet, Ratugolea and Zerk-Thatcher.

In a similar vein, the selection processesfor for Kenny also gunks up the list because Kenny Average plays lots of old, injured, poor performing players, sometimes out of position which hinders real development of talented players. You get these types of gold pass players still on the list way past their used by dates and younger guys with a lot of potential waiting around.

If you look at a player like Jed he is not a good player at all and Anastasopoulos who is young kid but has huge upside that Jed can only dream of, a ruthless coach would delist Jed and even Evans and play Anastasopoulos.

Even playing Dixon and Boak who are going OK enough gunks up the list.
 
1954 said:
Jackson has shown the most of those 3 in the SANFL, but is very lightly framed and will probably need to put on at least 5 extra kg's of muscle to have a chance of surviving at the next level.

Sinn who has arguably never played any more than the occasional good qtr for the Maggies is unfortunately so injury prone it would be no great surprise if he hurt himself stepping off the veranda at home.

McCallum has looked way out of his depth at SANFL level, and could be kicking the dew off the grass in a much lesser comp by this time next year.
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Jackson has shown enough to suggest he can play AFL, he'll probably have to bulk up a bit and will play a different role in the AFL side with Rozee, Butters, JHF & Drew being the core of out midfield with Bergman on one wing and Burgoyne looking a lot better the last 2 weeks.

Sinn is a big bust, to think we traded up to get him (or maybe we had our eyes on NWM who ended up going 1 pick earlier)
 
Long live PAFC said:
I made this point in another thread but we have not depth.

All of our AFL level players are playing in the first 22. Burgoyne, McKenzie, Sweet, Williams are all ok depth. Clurey, Boak and Wines are done. McEntee shouldn’t be in the side. Burton alternates between adequate and not AFL standard. Lord has had about two games - who knows. Sinn, Jackson and Macallum could be something, if they ever get off the injured list, so realistically they’re done. Marshall, Scully, Walsh, Visentini and the recent draftees - well who knows if any of them make the grade eventually, certainly none are AFL standard right now.

So we have a legitimately good 20 or so players and then another handful who are adequate depth, then nothing.

Our list has big problems.
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Outside of Gold Coast (who are legitimately frightening with quality kids coming though) every club lacks depth. There's not that many afl quality players out there. West Coast for example get a couple of decent players back suddenly they're competitive. Richmond lose a couple suddenly they're also rans.
 
Peninsula Boy said:
I think the List Management Department have done a good job over the years and probably have kept Kenny Average in a job all of these years because Kenny with an average list is not going to be able to downhill ski.

The other main issue why I bump the List Managers up is that Kenny Average has never been able to develop tall players well. During his tenure, Kenny has struggled to develop rucks, tall back and tall forwards. Only Marshall comes to mind and he is a very intelligent and creative players and didn't need much development really. So the List Managers have had to use capital for the weaknesses in Kenny's coaching instead of renewing the list so to speak. Like last year where we traded a whole heap of capital including a first round pick for Soldo, Sweet, Ratugolea and Zerk-Thatcher.

In a similar vein, the selection processesfor for Kenny also gunks up the list because Kenny Average plays lots of old, injured, poor performing players, sometimes out of position which hinders real development of talented players. You get these types of gold pass players still on the list way past their used by dates and younger guys with a lot of potential waiting around.

If you look at a player like Jed he is not a good player at all and Anastasopoulos who is young kid but has huge upside that Jed can only dream of, a ruthless coach would delist Jed and even Evans and play Anastasopoulos.

Even playing Dixon and Boak who are going OK enough gunks up the list.
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Yeah I enjoyed watching us get reamed by an older, more experienced Collingwood side who had 40 more contested possessions yesterday. I'm all for delisting McEntee ASAP. However Boak, Dixon even Finlayson to an extent were sorely missed yesterday because of their bigger bodies and contested presence. Its all very well to develop young kids but there has to be a balance between gold passing young kids and gold passing contributing veterans.

Yep Hinkleys selections often leave a lot to be desired. We also haven't picked and developed a lot of talls over the years in a timely manner and it seems like every year we have to sell our soul to get a player to plug the gap in our list. Not just talls. Even now having plugged the gaps in our rucks and tall defenders we are trying to replace a 33yo Dixon with a 22yo Ollie Lord who was being trialed as a defender before he fortunately showed a bit in the AFL as a forward. It has happened consistently over Hinkley's reign. Giant age gaps between players in particular roles unless you are a half back surprise surprise the same position Donuts used to play.
 
davesnothere said:
Outside of Gold Coast (who are legitimately frightening with quality kids coming though) every club lacks depth. There's not that many afl quality players out there. West Coast for example get a couple of decent players back suddenly they're competitive. Richmond lose a couple suddenly they're also rans.
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That’s part of the issue with so many expansion teams.

However, our depth really drops off.

We have Lord, McKenzie, Williams, Narkle, Sweet and Evans as players that can come in. It’s thin and our youngsters are very young and raw.
 
Hardly any teams have depth, almost every team has at least half a dozen relative spuds in their best 23. That's what happens when you have 18 teams when you should have about 12.
 
TeeKray said:
Hardly any teams have depth, almost every team has at least half a dozen relative spuds in their best 23. That's what happens when you have 18 teams when you should have about 12.
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Most team depths are a product of their playing style and culture where spud players can look like a million bucks.

We are a team that relies on individuals to perform and not the system. Our system is what fails under pressure and our players are lost when the heat is turned up.
 
Tiser list of possible MSD picks from SA:

Woodville-West Torrens’ Patrick Weckert, Luke Beecken and Adam D’Aloia, Central District’s Jez McLennan, South Adelaide’s Noah Howes and West Adelaide’s Kobe Ryan and Will Patton are among the young South Australians who have lit up the SANFL in the early rounds and propelled their names in front of AFL clubs for the May 29 mid-season rookie draft.

Nineteen-year-old key forward Weckert, who gave away a promising cricket career as a fast bowler to concentrate on football, was overlooked at last year’s draft following a disappointing AFL under-18 national championships campaign.
But the 194cm tall, who dropped 5kg over summer, has enjoyed a standout start to the 2024 league season, kicking eight goals in three games for the top-of-the-table Eagles, including seven in the past two weeks. He also has averaged five marks and is fitter than last season, enabling him to cover more territory. “Patty is enjoying the fruits of having had his first full pre-season of football training,’’ said his agent Greg Size from Deliver Sports Management.

Dashing half-back flanker Beecken, who turned 23 last week, is a late bloomer who was expected to get drafted after the Eagles won their second of back-to-back premierships in 2021. The grandson of legendary football administrator and SA Football Hall of Fame inductee John Condon, he appears to have taken his game to the next level this season, having averaged 22 disposals, five marks and four rebound 50s. The 184cm backman has chalked up 56 disposals in the past two matches and oozes AFL qualities with his size, running power and excellent kick.

Hard-as-nails midfielder D’Aloia, 20, was overlooked at the past two national drafts, despite being SA’s under-18 captain in 2022 and winning the state’s MVP medal and team-first player’s player award. Like Weckert and Beecken, he has blossomed at league level this season, averaging 28 disposals, nine clearances, six tackles and six inside 50s.

Running halfback McLennan, 23, spent four years on Gold Coast’s AFL list after being selected at pick 23 at the 2018 national draft. But he did not play an AFL game before being delisted at the end of 2022, when he returned to the Bulldogs.
McLennan was selected in last year’s The Advertiser SANFL Team of the Year and has this season played even better for the unbeaten Dogs. He won the prestigious Fos Williams Medal as SA’s best player in the win against VFL earlier this month, recording 26 disposals and eight marks across halfback. The 184cm McLennan is averaging 25 disposals, seven marks and six rebound 50s for Central.

Exciting Panthers key forward Howes, 18, has overcome a series of bad injuries to make his presence felt on the league stage this season. He has kicked four goals and averaged four marks in a struggling side, impressing with his powerful marking and long kicking after booting 3.3 in South’s under-18 grand final win against Sturt last year.

Midfield hard nut Ryan, 20, was considered unlucky not to have been drafted in his first draft eligible year in 2022. A strong contested ball winner who does his best work at stoppages, he possesses clean, quick hands, tidy skills, great tackling ability and an extremely high work rate. Ryan finished equal-seventh in last year’s Magarey Medal count, polling 17 votes, while becoming the first West player to win the Powerade Breakthrough Player award. He has improved even further this season, averaging 23 disposals, 11 tackles and six clearances and won the Russell Ebert Medal as best afield in the Round 2 win against Port Adelaide at Waikerie. Port SANFL coach Hamish Hartlett, a former West teammate of Ryan’s, rates him so highly that he said in the pre-season that if he could pinch a player from a rival club to play for his team he would choose Ryan.

Key defender Patton, 19 and 193cm, is, like Weckert, a former gun cricketer. Patton played First-Grade for Adelaide as a batsman before focusing on football in his draft year. He was SA’s under-18 captain last year and the only draft-eligible Croweater to make the All-Australian team. Patton has this season cemented himself in West’s league side at centre half-back and was one of the Bloods’ best in their narrow loss to unbeaten Norwood in Port Lincoln last Saturday, with 16 disposals and five marks.

Glenelg premiership forward/midfielder Archie Lovelock, 19, Tigers tall Riley Holder, 21, and Bloods 197cm key defender Darcy Minchella, 19, are three other young SA prospects who have caught the eye in the lead-up to the mid-season draft after previously being overlooked.
 

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davesnothere said:
We lock Kobe Ryan in unless he's gone.

Weckert probably starts for Port this week.
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I know the family and he’s had no real interest from anyone..

Port have never spoken to him and Adelaide has a very small interesf in him and he hopes they might eventually take a chance on him.

It’s baffling how he’s missed out on at least getting a shot at the big league
 
Windy Cindy said:
I know the family and he’s had no real interest from anyone..

Port have never spoken to him and Adelaide has a very small interesf in him and he hopes they might eventually take a chance on him.

It’s baffling how he’s missed out on at least getting a shot at the big league
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Kobe would be starting for the Crows and be their next best mid behind Soligo.
 
Holden Hillbilly said:
Tiser list of possible MSD picks from SA:

Woodville-West Torrens’ Patrick Weckert, Luke Beecken and Adam D’Aloia, Central District’s Jez McLennan, South Adelaide’s Noah Howes and West Adelaide’s Kobe Ryan and Will Patton are among the young South Australians who have lit up the SANFL in the early rounds and propelled their names in front of AFL clubs for the May 29 mid-season rookie draft.

Nineteen-year-old key forward Weckert, who gave away a promising cricket career as a fast bowler to concentrate on football, was overlooked at last year’s draft following a disappointing AFL under-18 national championships campaign.
But the 194cm tall, who dropped 5kg over summer, has enjoyed a standout start to the 2024 league season, kicking eight goals in three games for the top-of-the-table Eagles, including seven in the past two weeks. He also has averaged five marks and is fitter than last season, enabling him to cover more territory. “Patty is enjoying the fruits of having had his first full pre-season of football training,’’ said his agent Greg Size from Deliver Sports Management.

Dashing half-back flanker Beecken, who turned 23 last week, is a late bloomer who was expected to get drafted after the Eagles won their second of back-to-back premierships in 2021. The grandson of legendary football administrator and SA Football Hall of Fame inductee John Condon, he appears to have taken his game to the next level this season, having averaged 22 disposals, five marks and four rebound 50s. The 184cm backman has chalked up 56 disposals in the past two matches and oozes AFL qualities with his size, running power and excellent kick.

Hard-as-nails midfielder D’Aloia, 20, was overlooked at the past two national drafts, despite being SA’s under-18 captain in 2022 and winning the state’s MVP medal and team-first player’s player award. Like Weckert and Beecken, he has blossomed at league level this season, averaging 28 disposals, nine clearances, six tackles and six inside 50s.

Running halfback McLennan, 23, spent four years on Gold Coast’s AFL list after being selected at pick 23 at the 2018 national draft. But he did not play an AFL game before being delisted at the end of 2022, when he returned to the Bulldogs.
McLennan was selected in last year’s The Advertiser SANFL Team of the Year and has this season played even better for the unbeaten Dogs. He won the prestigious Fos Williams Medal as SA’s best player in the win against VFL earlier this month, recording 26 disposals and eight marks across halfback. The 184cm McLennan is averaging 25 disposals, seven marks and six rebound 50s for Central.

Exciting Panthers key forward Howes, 18, has overcome a series of bad injuries to make his presence felt on the league stage this season. He has kicked four goals and averaged four marks in a struggling side, impressing with his powerful marking and long kicking after booting 3.3 in South’s under-18 grand final win against Sturt last year.

Midfield hard nut Ryan, 20, was considered unlucky not to have been drafted in his first draft eligible year in 2022. A strong contested ball winner who does his best work at stoppages, he possesses clean, quick hands, tidy skills, great tackling ability and an extremely high work rate. Ryan finished equal-seventh in last year’s Magarey Medal count, polling 17 votes, while becoming the first West player to win the Powerade Breakthrough Player award. He has improved even further this season, averaging 23 disposals, 11 tackles and six clearances and won the Russell Ebert Medal as best afield in the Round 2 win against Port Adelaide at Waikerie. Port SANFL coach Hamish Hartlett, a former West teammate of Ryan’s, rates him so highly that he said in the pre-season that if he could pinch a player from a rival club to play for his team he would choose Ryan.

Key defender Patton, 19 and 193cm, is, like Weckert, a former gun cricketer. Patton played First-Grade for Adelaide as a batsman before focusing on football in his draft year. He was SA’s under-18 captain last year and the only draft-eligible Croweater to make the All-Australian team. Patton has this season cemented himself in West’s league side at centre half-back and was one of the Bloods’ best in their narrow loss to unbeaten Norwood in Port Lincoln last Saturday, with 16 disposals and five marks.

Glenelg premiership forward/midfielder Archie Lovelock, 19, Tigers tall Riley Holder, 21, and Bloods 197cm key defender Darcy Minchella, 19, are three other young SA prospects who have caught the eye in the lead-up to the mid-season draft after previously being overlooked.
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Which one is the next Mac and cheeeeez
 
davesnothere said:
A 5 year deal from next year would take him to 31.

We could offer 6 and he's 32.

Would we want him that badly?
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They can keep him for that, depends on if he would come here on a three year deal over a 5 at giants.
 
all seeing eye said:
Seems like he is in demand and has been on our radar for a while, but in the rare occasions I have watched him, nothing special jumped out. Seems just like a solid consistent type.
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He's the missing piece of the puzzle and just what kenninkley needs to put his premiership team together
 
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