Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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[Zidane98]

Iran's leadership are worse or as bad as Saddam, they're theocrats and Islamic fundamentalists. Their proxies have been in wars all over the Middle East. They didn't start them all, but they don't exactly stay out of things.

I'm not saying I want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, but the world is just about forcing them to develop one with threats and attacks on proxies as well as hypocrisy in dealings by the West in the region. They're probably only a couple of years away with very little between now and then to stop them.

People are wondering why Iran is supporting Russia in Ukraine, maybe nuclear programs support is one we don't know about. Israel helped Sth Africa with theirs when Sth Africa were a pariah state.

Iran have no designs on invading anyone. Their human rights is atrocious but they are not in the business of murdering their own civilians en masse like Saddam did. They really are nothing like Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Hussein is behind probably Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin & Genghis Khan as the most brutal dictators we have ever seen.


I actually believe Iran would completely back off their Israeli rhetoric if they were allowed to trade unsanctioned in the international community and take Russia's place on the international energy market. That's what Iran really craves, be part of the international community and make a fortune off its natural resources. Right now they sell it mostly to the Chinese at a discount and/or any nation that's happy to trade with them despite sanctions (India, African states without oil).

The US actually wants as little to do with Iran as possible.

 

[Saint]

Iran have no designs on invading anyone. Their human rights is atrocious but they are not in the business of murdering their own civilians en masse like Saddam did. They really are nothing like Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Hussein is behind probably Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin & Genghis Khan as the most brutal dictators we have ever seen.


I actually believe Iran would completely back off their Israeli rhetoric if they were allowed to trade unsanctioned in the international community and take Russia's place on the international energy market. That's what Iran really craves, be part of the international community and make a fortune off its natural resources. Right now they sell it mostly to the Chinese at a discount and/or any nation that's happy to trade with them despite sanctions (India, African states without oil).

The US actually wants as little to do with Iran as possible.

I think the US and its allies in the region, particularly Saudi Arabia, do not want Iran to make so much money and become local rivals. Saudi invaded Yemen for this reason. They're fighting a regional sectarian war and the US supports the other side from Iran.

Otherwise they would have just lifted sanctions anyway. Like you said, they're not as bad as Saudi Arabia right now, so not sure why the sanctions are so harsh.

 

[blackcat]

DARPA is MIT for misanthropes!

misanthrope-institute-tech

 

[Cmarsh]

Dropping aid into the sea and then desperate people swmming and drowning to get to it is messed up.

 

[Saint]

Here's an Israeli Mainstream TV host inciting Genocide on live TV because some Gazans went to the beach.



"These people deserve death, a hard death, an agonizing death.........there are no innocents there......we should have seen a lot more revenge, a lot more rivers of Gazan blood".

Pretty chilling stuff. Also incitement to genocide is a war crime.

They're doing this on Live TV and everyone's pretending it's normal. It reminds me of the broadcasts about cockroaches on Rwandan radio in the lead-up to their genocide.

 

[Trouto]

Here's an Israeli Mainstream TV host inciting Genocide on live TV because some Gazans went to the beach.



"These people deserve death, a hard death, an agonizing death.........there are no innocents there......we should have seen a lot more revenge, a lot more rivers of Gazan blood".

Pretty chilling stuff. Also incitement to genocide is a war crime.

They're doing this on Live TV and everyone's pretending it's normal. It reminds me of the broadcasts about cockroaches on Rwandan radio in the lead-up to their genocide.

I seriously cannot imagine the uproar this would cause if it was a TV show in any other country but Israel. I cant imagine it. Seriously, can anyone think of a "respectable" country this would be allowed?

the shining beacon of Democracy in the Middle East indeed.

 

[Saint]

I seriously cannot imagine the uproar this would cause if it was a TV show in any other country but Israel. I cant imagine it. Seriously, can anyone think of a "respectable" country this would be allowed?

the shining beacon of Democracy in the Middle East indeed.

Imagine if a Palestinian got on Australian TV and said "no Israeli is innocent, we should kill them all".

The station would be banned, everyone would be sacked, it would be pandemonium. But Israel does it, and we do deals with the weapons companies from Israel and wring our hands about "well they're killing all the civilians, but we're not sure if they mean it so we can't prove intent."

But they're showing their intent on mainstream TV and in terrorist attacks and settlements in the West Bank every day.

 

[Trouto]

Imagine if a Palestinian got on Australian TV and said "no Israeli is innocent, we should kill them all".

The station would be banned, everyone would be sacked, it would be pandemonium. But Israel does it, and we do deals with the weapons companies from Israel and wring our hands about "well they're killing all the civilians, but we're not sure if they mean it so we can't prove intent."

But they're showing their intent on mainstream TV and in terrorist attacks and settlements in the West Bank every day.

I am pretty sure they would be arrested and put in jail for breaching an incitement law or something.

 

[Saint]

I am pretty sure they would be arrested and put in jail for breaching an incitement law or something.

Well, yeah, incitement to Genocide is a war crime.

But if you're saying it about darker-skinned people, people are unsure about intent. If darker skinned people say it, then they must mean it and they should be punished.

 

[Trouto]

Well, yeah, incitement to Genocide is a war crime.

But if you're saying it about darker-skinned people, people are unsure about intent. If darker skinned people say it, then they must mean it and they should be punished.

There always seems to be an excuse, doest there? Humanity needs a benevolent dictator to smite people.

 

[Not Important]

yep! without the mega trillions from the yanks over the decades israel would not have been able to occupy, terrorise, crucify, and murder palestinians. administration after administration has blood on their hands.



they know.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Well, yeah, incitement to Genocide is a war crime.

But if you're saying it about darker-skinned people, people are unsure about intent. If darker skinned people say it, then they must mean it and they should be punished.

Hooray for the "rules-based order"!!!

 

[Blue1980]

I seriously cannot imagine the uproar this would cause if it was a TV show in any other country but Israel. I cant imagine it. Seriously, can anyone think of a "respectable" country this would be allowed?

the shining beacon of Democracy in the Middle East indeed.

Maybe right wing media in America could get there? Not yet, they do it with more of a wink and a nod currently.

 

[Not Important]

just one example. they have controlled the narrative politically, in the media, and through wealth, position, and influence such as this for decades.



this!

 

[Not Important]

antony, speaker of the truth. despite, threats, intimidation, being undermined, and traduced. a saint

 

[Trouto]

just one example. they have controlled the narrative politically, in the media, and through wealth, position, and influence such as this for decades.



this!

yep, the Zionists own the US politicians. They all bend over for them because they know money wins the seats and without the Zionists, they wouldnt get "elected"

they own the Aussy politicians too BTW

 

[DangerousD]

Yes, it is completely logical that Iran, a country who attacked a US airbase then shot down a passenger jet because they thought it was a cruise missile (despite flight tracking being available publicly on a mobile phone app) is a logical candidate for a nuclear weapons program. Iran saying the need nukes is a bit like Saudi Arabia saying they need nukes. There likely won't ever be new nuclear weapons state again so it's a moot point anyway.

What makes you think this? The no new nuclear states part? Haven’t Russia started putting nukes in Belaruse and aren’t Poland currently petitioning NATO to house nukes on Polish territory? To me, both of these would then become new nuclear weapons states.

I know its only a prediction but do you think in the 20 or so years it takes us to get our nuclear powered submarines that the next steps would be arming them with up to date weapons?

Im not sure what would stop a state like Iran or the Saudis developing nuclear weapons if they really wanted the3m.

 

[Saint]

The IAEA is saying Iran is weeks away from having enough enriched Uranium to build a bomb, but the existence of a bomb would be speculative.

Iran's nuclear activities 'raises eyebrows' at IAEA – DW – 04/23/2024

Iran's enrichment of uranium and a lack of access to international monitors is fueling suspicions about its nuclear activities. The International Atomic Energy Agency said its committed to promoting dialogue with Tehran.

www.dw.com

Putting the amount of enriched Uranium together with a desperate Russia being partnered with Iran on multiple fronts, I think a nuclear Iran will happen sooner than many think.

 

[Boston tiger]

Here's an Israeli Mainstream TV host inciting Genocide on live TV because some Gazans went to the beach.



"These people deserve death, a hard death, an agonizing death.........there are no innocents there......we should have seen a lot more revenge, a lot more rivers of Gazan blood".

Pretty chilling stuff. Also incitement to genocide is a war crime.

They're doing this on Live TV and everyone's pretending it's normal. It reminds me of the broadcasts about cockroaches on Rwandan radio in the lead-up to their genocide.

Did you watch all of it ?
They stipulated it was his opinion. He acknowledged it was an emotional rant and his blood was boiling . He framed it around the release of hostages.

 

[Chief]

Did you watch all of it ?
They stipulated it was his opinion. He acknowledged it was an emotional rant and his blood was boiling . He framed it around the release of hostages.

That doesn't change the fact it's a call to genocide.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Interesting comparison.

 

[Chief]

Poor Germans.

Desperately trying to make up for their genocide by supporting Israel without question - even arresting and refusing entry to people questioning Israel's genocide - and what does Bibi do?

Keeps bringing up Germany's genocide!

Just can't win.

 

[Boston tiger]

That doesn't change the fact it's a call to genocide.

Yep. An individual on live TV during a rant basically said continue with the bombing and shelling until these people start demanding that their leaders give back the hostages. Don’t be enjoying yourselves while you still have Israeli hostages basically.

I don’t know if that’s a “ call to genocide “. I’d imagine genocide would mean the other side has no means to stop the genocide. Hamas can stop the killing right now and so can Israel. Both have a choice.

 

[Chief]

Perhaps look at the pattern if this one incident doesn't convince you.