Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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[madmug]

It should be shown to all Hamas and Hamas civilians.
If a flamboyant Israeli tv personality is that emotional about the hostages then it will reinforce the message which is fight and die or surrender and live. Because Israel are not mucking around. The way I read it is they have had 75 years of this and it’s finished. Simple as that. Surrender and live. It’s how wars end . The more Hamas and civilians realise this the more lives will be saved.

In your efforts to openly express your rage against humanity , might be making you feel better and cope with the lunacy of war … it is not helping at all. Stop indirectly supporting Hamas …it’s making it worse.

We have people as we speak been arrested because they think terrorism is a viable option.

You really need to learn the difference between anti Zionism & anti Semitism. And likewise between Hamas terrorism & Palestinian civilians.
The Zionist Israeli Government are sentencing their country to another century of Terrorism as a response to their Genocidal behavior.
To not not realise what making a rod for their own back is, you need to ignore the last 75 years of Zionist actions, & the reaction to it. Clearly you have!
The Palestinians are REACTING to 75 years of Zionist actions. Any population being invaded & having land stolen, would react to defend itself in any way it can.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Needs human intervention.
So many rotten pro Israeli supporters in America, rotten pro hamas supporters in Iran, Lebanon.
We just had Anzac day, Ww1, Ww2 had well over 100 million deaths for no good reason, due to a few rotten individuals and some ridiculous treaties ( and politicians happy to make others fight, but not themselves).

Create the 2 states, the rest of the world can go back to ignoring that liitle chunk of ghe world completely ( but wishing it a happy peaceful existence).

 

[madmug]

Needs human intervention.
So many rotten pro Israeli supporters in America, rotten pro hamas supporters in Iran, Lebanon.
We just had Anzac day, Ww1, Ww2 had well over 100 million deaths for no good reason, due to a few rotten individuals and some ridiculous treaties ( and politicians happy to make others fight, but not themselves).

Create the 2 states, the rest of the world can go back to ignoring that liitle chunk of ghe world completely ( but wishing it a happy peaceful existence).

Leaders cause wars. Whether they be Political or religious leaders. Civilians pay the price. Usually the poorest civilians at that.

 

[Chief]

Watching a round of lefty Tubers this morning.

Incredible amount of pro-Israel propaganda being highlighted and called out.

The US college protests yielding video of students in handcuffs being tased, a philosophy protester being taken away by a cop in a mask and military-like uniform. Student face being ground into concrete. An economics professor in her 50's being slammed on the ground by a thumb-shaped goon, and moved off the grass so her face is on the concrete while she's in handcuffs.

Meanwhile weirdo righties decrying the "violence" from protesters.

"It's amazing how the right have entirely abandoned their calls for free speech."

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Watching a round of lefty Tubers this morning.

Incredible amount of pro-Israel propaganda being highlighted and called out.

The US college protests yielding video of students in handcuffs being tased, a philosophy protester being taken away by a cop in a mask and military-like uniform. Student face being ground into concrete. An economics professor in her 50's being slammed on the ground by a thumb-shaped goon, and moved off the grass so her face is on the concrete while she's in handcuffs.

Meanwhile weirdo righties decrying the "violence" from protesters.

"It's amazing how the right have entirely abandoned their calls for free speech."

Snipers on the roof as well!

 

[madmug]

Just the usual US police looking for an opportunity to kill someone.
Don't Jay walk whatever you do.
It's a likely death sentence.
Go rape someone & you can run for POTUS!

 

[Not Important]

Needs human intervention.
So many rotten pro Israeli supporters in America, rotten pro hamas supporters in Iran, Lebanon.
We just had Anzac day, Ww1, Ww2 had well over 100 million deaths for no good reason, due to a few rotten individuals and some ridiculous treaties ( and politicians happy to make others fight, but not themselves).

Create the 2 states, the rest of the world can go back to ignoring that liitle chunk of ghe world completely ( but wishing it a happy peaceful existence).

nup! one state with equal rights.

Only one way out: a unitary state with equal rights in Palestine-Israel

Everyone who values democracy, justice and human decency should assist the Palestinians in achieving this goal.

www.opendemocracy.net

 

[Not Important]

 

[Not Important]

the insidious israeli propaganda outfit has its tentacles worldwide wide. a.i.j.ac in australia,



the upside is, that these propagandists are being exposed. may they grow and prosper and become the voice of moderate caring judaism.

Jewish Australians Are Rejecting the Zionist Establishment

Inspired by anti-fascist organizing in the 1940s, a group of progressive Jewish activists have formed the Jewish Council of Australia. Its goal is to challenge the hegemony of right-wing, Zionist groups that claim to speak for all Jewish Australians.

jacobin.com

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Snipers on the roof as well!

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Not sure why calling out that there are snipers on the roof is some kind of stark revelation. Old mate Margaret is just weaponising her own incompetence.

US Police do this at almost ALL scheduled mass gatherings/Protests in America, happens in almost every single state. Unfortunately, over there people like to do stupid s**t, like undertake mass shootings on a regular basis.

 

[Chief]

US Police do this at almost ALL scheduled mass gatherings/Protests in America, happens in almost every single state. Unfortunately, over there people like to do stupid s**t, like undertake mass shootings on a regular basis.

Except the Nazi ones, it seems.

Also the only college sniper references are to crazed gunman type stories, but Snopes says the Uni says this is standard.

Snipers Spotted on Roofs at Ohio State University and Indiana University During Gaza Protests?

Two jarring photographs circulated widely on social media during pro-Palestine demonstrations on U.S. college campuses in late April 2024.

www.snopes.com

The big story should be that "this is standard for football games"!

Nation of gun nuts.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Except the Nazi ones, it seems.

Also the only college sniper references are to crazed gunman type stories, but Snopes says the Uni says this is standard.

Snipers Spotted on Roofs at Ohio State University and Indiana University During Gaza Protests?

Two jarring photographs circulated widely on social media during pro-Palestine demonstrations on U.S. college campuses in late April 2024.

www.snopes.com

The big story should be that "this is standard for football games"!

Nation of gun nuts.

Is clearly a nation of gun nuts, zero disagreement there.

but acting like police snipers watching over a gaza protest is some type of negative special treatment is just silly.

They are fairly common attendees at rallies that pose tension. Literally no different to a cop walking amongst the actual protestors, they just have a better view.

 

[Chief]

acting like police snipers watching over a gaza protest is some type of negative special treatment is just silly.

It is well worth highlighting IMO.

Don't normalise this insane culture of gun nuts and militarised police.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It is well worth highlighting IMO.

Don't normalise this insane culture of gun nuts and militarised police.

it is normal in America.

Thats the point being made..........

 

[Chief]

it is normal in America.

Thats the point being made..........

What I meant was NOT highlighting it would be normalising it.

It being normal and it being normalised in people's minds are different things.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

What I meant was NOT highlighting it would be normalising it.

It being normal and it being normalised in people's minds are different things.

I dont get your point?

Do you not want cops to carry guns or something?

All the cops that attend protests in Australia are armed too?

Australia doesn't typically place Police Snipers on top of buildings granted, but we also dont have the level of gun violence that the US does. Police Snipers are a very common thing in the USA.

if you want to call out something, keep calling out the stupid level of gun violence, not the police trying to protect people from it.

 

[Chief]

if you want to call out something, keep calling out the stupid level of gun violence, not the police trying to protect people from it.

Militarisation of police and the requirement for snipers at FOOTBALL GAMES is a symptom of the nutty gun culture. It should be highlighted so it doesn't just fade into the background as "normal". It might be routine, but it's not "normal".

Hopefully that clears up your confusion.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Militarisation of police and the requirement for snipers at FOOTBALL GAMES is a symptom of the nutty gun culture. It should be highlighted so it doesn't just fade into the background as "normal". It might be routine, but it's not "normal".

Hopefully that clears up your confusion.

yes but that is not the message your nutter friend from twitter is suggesting, who you originally quoted.

Those police are there to protect people from the nutty gun culture you are rightly calling out. They are not there to just point guns at nor shoot at pro-Palestinian protestors for the sake of it.

She is weaponizing the police being there as some kind of a negative. Which is simply ludicrous given that mass shootings are more common in the US than the sun going up and down each day.

 

[Trouto]

10k conventional missiles of which most would be intercepted is not going to wipe anything off the map. Damage yes, but not irrevocable damage.

you cant intercept hypersonic missiles

 

[HirdsTheWord]

you cant intercept hypersonic missiles

Yes and no.

Hypersonic weapons are relatively new tech, but there is cause, there is effect.

The USA have been working on hypersonic missile intercept capability for years now. If they can't already be long before they can.

 

[Trouto]

Yes and no.

Hypersonic weapons are relatively new tech, but there is cause, there is effect.

The USA have been working on hypersonic missile intercept capability for years now. If they can't already be long before they can.

I dunno, the USA's current intercept system is proving to be a dismal failure in Ukraine. I dunno how they would go with the supersonic ones.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I dunno, the USA's current intercept system is proving to be a dismal failure in Ukraine. I dunno how they would go with the supersonic ones.

i doubt they are giving their good tech especially classified tech to Ukraine.

I thought the below was a decent explanation in theory..

U.S. Navy’s Enhanced Hypersonic Missile Defense - Naval News

The U.S. Missile Defense Agency (MDA) answered Naval News' questions about the "Enhanced Hypersonic Missile Defense" system.

www.navalnews.com

i reckon the US would have a good handle on it. I doubt any other military is doing something the US either already have or dont have an answer for.

 

[Crankyhawk]

It should be shown to all Hamas and Hamas civilians.
If a flamboyant Israeli tv personality is that emotional about the hostages then it will reinforce the message which is fight and die or surrender and live. Because Israel are not mucking around. The way I read it is they have had 75 years of this and it’s finished. Simple as that. Surrender and live. It’s how wars end . The more Hamas and civilians realise this the more lives will be saved.

In your efforts to openly express your rage against humanity , might be making you feel better and cope with the lunacy of war … it is not helping at all. Stop indirectly supporting Hamas …it’s making it worse.

We have people as we speak been arrested because they think terrorism is a viable option.

Let’s be accurate. Surrender means Israel don’t believe it and continue to bomb the heck out of Palestine until they get all the land and kill everyone they want to

 

[Crankyhawk]

Meanwhile, back at Columbia University

Assuming the accusation is fact based it’s a bit short sighted of the pro Israel side to appear to be protecting the legacy of a child sex trafficker (you can throw in the word alleged if needed I take his suicide as guilt)

 

[Crankyhawk]

Leaders cause wars. Whether they be Political or religious leaders. Civilians pay the price. Usually the poorest civilians at that.

Bibi needs the war to stave off corruption charges.

He is a corrupt shot whose mother should have swallowed. Yes I went there. Bibi can sue me for defamation if he likes go heck himself