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2025 Federal Election: A Pox o' Both Your Houses
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I think the Murdoch stranglehold on the media here works best when it leans into the “LNP = best economic managers” myth. That narrative had some superficial weight under Howard/Costello (even though it was really the mining boom doing the heavy lifting — and they largely squandered it).
As the economic credibility gap has grown since 2013, Murdoch outlets have pivoted harder toward culture wars. But in Australia, that stuff just doesn’t cut through the same way it does in the U.S., no matter how hard they try.
Why? Because the people who get sucked in by culture war messaging are already voting LNP or further right 95% of the time — and we have compulsory voting. That changes the whole equation.
Instead, their best weapon is the illusion — pushed by commercial media and sometimes the ABC — that both major parties are basically equal, just different flavours. This flattens debate and frames elections as a neutral, vibes-based toss-up between two “reasonable” options. When people feel economically anxious or frustrated, they’re nudged to “give the other mob a go".
This fosters apathy, disengagement, and confusion — which always benefits the LNP more.
Ironically, I reckon Sky After Dark might actually be a net negative for them. But whenever the LNP wins an election (or a referendum like the Voice fails), they spin it as a culture war triumph over the so-called "woke mob,” as if Rowan Dean shouting into a camera at 8:45pm swung the nation.
As the economic credibility gap has grown since 2013, Murdoch outlets have pivoted harder toward culture wars. But in Australia, that stuff just doesn’t cut through the same way it does in the U.S., no matter how hard they try.
Why? Because the people who get sucked in by culture war messaging are already voting LNP or further right 95% of the time — and we have compulsory voting. That changes the whole equation.
Instead, their best weapon is the illusion — pushed by commercial media and sometimes the ABC — that both major parties are basically equal, just different flavours. This flattens debate and frames elections as a neutral, vibes-based toss-up between two “reasonable” options. When people feel economically anxious or frustrated, they’re nudged to “give the other mob a go".
This fosters apathy, disengagement, and confusion — which always benefits the LNP more.
Ironically, I reckon Sky After Dark might actually be a net negative for them. But whenever the LNP wins an election (or a referendum like the Voice fails), they spin it as a culture war triumph over the so-called "woke mob,” as if Rowan Dean shouting into a camera at 8:45pm swung the nation.
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But then they'd have to explain a) if the Shadow Defence Minister's views match the party line in this area; and b) why Ben Britton was dumped when what he said was essentially the same as what Andrew Hastie said about whether women should have combat positions in the ADF.
Taking tough, necessary but unpopular policies to an election is dead. Both major parties are afraid of any meaningful reform, because for any reform to be meaningful it must create losers as well as winners.
The most important example is housing. Only the Greens are serious about property tax reform and public (not this bullshit social) housing. I own property, but the Greens have my vote.
And of course blame Labor
I was having a think about this today. How many truly engaged political junkies are swinging voters? I would say almost none of them. If you follow political news closely, you'll form strong views and find that one party represents those views better. That is not to say all or even most politics junkies are leftists.
Thankfully not in Australia and so unable to watch this even if tempted.
Evolution may disagree with you.
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Greenwood couldn't hide the bias if he tried. Straight from the big business playbook with his line of questioning, Are higher wages really a good thing? Shouldnt businesses have more power to let go of workers? Etc. Be interesting to see a debate between him and Michael Pascoe who is a left leaning economist. Totally different perspective on big business.
Think it depends on the situation, anyone can pull a trigger if you can convince them, phalanx formation not required
The soviets are probably the best example, some absolute mad dogs but not really general infantry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko
This was a somewhat special example required by the nazi policy of murdering everyone
People like Greenwood have no idea what a demand based economy is.
I see Australia’s tarries are paused for 90 days.
Dutton is literally going to turn into a mute soon. What is there left for him to whine about?
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Looks like Labor wants housing to be an issue …
Labor asks Coalition for permission to approve housing applications
Housing Minister Clare O'Neil is seeking to keep approving development projects ahead of the election regardless of the government being in caretaker mode, but the Coalition has heavily criticised the request.
www.abc.net.au
Not true Gough - what about the "only real girls allowed in here" crowd? Disappointed in you.
The pause on tariff increases overnight (and subsequent stock rebound) would suggest that this is absolutely not required.
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Most wars in history were just lines of men lining up against each other and throwing rocks, swinging clubs, throwing spears, slashing swords, firing muskets and firing machine guns at the other side until one side had exhausted their men.
Women were generally needed to breed to ensure the 20% of children who lived beyond infancy would be able to repopulate the human race.
Today a male or female “warrior” can sit behind a desk at a military base near Las Vegas and play a computer game where kids in Afghanistan or Syria die a fiery death at their hands. A little different to the battle of Agincourt eh?
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If Labor gets in with majority will this be the first time they have a clean run with policies since the early 90's? Dont count 07-13 as it was a clusterf*ck leading up to the election/ election and aftermarth.
If done right, will demonstrate to those <35 that labor a genuinely competent economically, and sound policy, which i'd argue have done relatively well this term.
Must be secret panic stations for the libs that the fun times of 'good economic mangers etc' might be over.
If done right, will demonstrate to those <35 that labor a genuinely competent economically, and sound policy, which i'd argue have done relatively well this term.
Must be secret panic stations for the libs that the fun times of 'good economic mangers etc' might be over.
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The older cohort of the under 35's would remember the Rudd/Gillard years.
School halls, laptops, avoiding the GFC.
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YouGov 52.5 47.5
Labor extends lead over Coalition to 52.5% - 47.5% | YouGov
Albanese increases lead as preferred PM to 48%-37%
au.yougov.com
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Polling is close to 2022 levels near the election.YouGov 52.5 47.5
Labor extends lead over Coalition to 52.5% - 47.5% | YouGov
Albanese increases lead as preferred PM to 48%-37%au.yougov.com
They have a majority right now.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why there's anybody expecting anything new or innovative from the ALP in this next term. They've not proposed anything or seem to be planning anything other than reacting to what goes on around them.
