2024 Draft Thread.

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🎯 Draft Period, November 20–21
  • Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
  • Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
  • Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
  • Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
  • List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
  • Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
  • Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm
 
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ScrappyDo said:
I don't think I've been this melancholy about a draft in a long time. Looks to me like the club must be playing the long game as l find it hard to see these draftees impacting for quite a while.
That said, we've taken effectively 13 youngsters in the last 2 drafts so weight of numbers should make some difference.
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Our list demographic says we should be in a rebuild phase.

We aim to make finals.

Will take some coaching performance based off the fact we are a very young side.
 
stavro#4 said:
Our list demographic says we should be in a rebuild phase.

We aim to make finals.

Will take some coaching performance based off the fact we are a very young side.
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I still think the biggest challenge is to keep our players fit. Do that and finals is a very reasonable target.
 

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stavro#4 said:
Our list demographic says we should be in a rebuild phase.

We aim to make finals.

Will take some coaching performance based off the fact we are a very young side.
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Missing guns between 24-28. Accelerating the development of the under 23s.

Have been in a ‘rebuild’ without bottoming out since we signed RTB hence the investment in the talent ID and development programs within the club.

No longer wasting time and resources on list cloggers, and bringing in kids with upside to replace them.

The only path to success for a club of our profile. Love what we’re doing.
 
St Kilda Death said:
He’s 24.
Just a kid.
Deserves another chance.
Is 24 too old to change your ways?
I’m sure we wouldn’t pick him up if he wasn’t trying to improve his off field behaviour.
Marlion Pickett and Andrew krakour examples.
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Does anyone actually know what he did? I saw an article which made it seem like his crimes were calling his ex repeatedly and not saying anything: was it more than that?
 
We need to call out excellent work that our list management team has done in actually valuing draft picks.
How often have we split picks, or traded out value for established GOPs in the last decade that hold genuine value.
Kudos to SOS and Gubby.
They’re giving our development team a chance to earn their keep, and with another batch of youngsters we seem a step closer to climbing the peak
 
St Kilda Death said:
He’s 24.
Just a kid.
Deserves another chance.
Is 24 too old to change your ways?
I’m sure we wouldn’t pick him up if he wasn’t trying to improve his off field behaviour.
Marlion Pickett and Andrew krakour examples.
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Leopards don’t tend to change their spots.

There is surely serious and probably pathological psychological disorder type stuff going on there, and even if he wanted to change- which is a VERY VERY big “if”- it takes enormous commitment and basically daily dedication to achieve any meaningful change.

I don’t think people in general realise just how much of the general population have very serious psychological disorders.

I think most think that “psychopaths” for instance are all in jail, or serial killers, 1-in-a-thousand thing, but experts say that up to 3% of the population are psychopathic, which is 1-in-30 or so.

And unlike “sociopaths”, they’re said to be born that way, so for every school classroom of 33 or so students, 1 is statistically likely to be psychopathic.

And they reckon that about 10% of the population are psychopathic, sociopathic, or pathologically narcissistic.

That’s as much as 1 in every 10 people that have a serious psychological disorder. 1 in 10.

They are all around, not changing their ways any time soon, and are a hard avoid.

A lot of them are hard to spot, then there are the TT’s- who almost certainly would be in jail, if he hadn’t had copious amounts of high-level support, counselling, and so-on, that most like him don’t get.
 
gringo2011 said:
Both those guys were injury busts more than talent busts and 4 years ago would have had years more on the list with little pressure. We are making more brutal and quicker calls now as we sift through talent like a proper club. We are delisting a much better class of player now.
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The Bytel years.
 
aussierulesrules said:
You’d have to think that Cole’s lack of kicking ability and the fact he generally got such a low number of disposals counted strongly against him.
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He is someone I'd highly encourage to join Sandy, train with the senior side and see if his disposal/attacking side can improve for us to reassess in 12 months time.
 
I've had a chance to digest a bit today and after the initial disappointment of one of the elite mids not sliding through (wild optimism) I've come to look at our draft as some pretty well balanced choices. We've had so many of our young players in the last 3 years of drafting come good so quickly that we can afford to have a couple of longer term prospects to develop.


Current definite best 22 from 2021 national draft onwards

Pou: up to 37 games now, looked good in the back end of the year after his stint in the VFL. Versatile as well, can play stoppage or forward. This will be his 3rd year and you'd bet on him being a best 22 player now.

Wilson: Played all 22 games for us last year and as an endurance beast who can play wing, forward for stints or half back is versatile like Pou. You'd expect him to be a best 22 player as well.

Wanganeen-Milera: up to 63 games now, probably our most well performed draftee within the last 3 years. Maybe not the highest ceiling but already performing at a pretty high level. Best 22.

Owens: up to 53 games now, could be a match winner based on his attributes. Best 22.


Fringe/possible best 22 from 2021 national draft onwards

Windhager: up to 52 games now, probably best 22 on performance quality last year but missed a bit through injury, would bank on him as best 22 next year.

Caminiti: up to 33 games now, maybe best 22 these days with Membrey gone, or could be a new tall defender proposition. Had some injury niggles and fitness probably needs to improve but probably a regular next year.

Schoenmaker: only played the 4 games in his first season but was very underdone physically apparently, would expect him to crack a few more games this season but as a tall defender probably gonna take another 18 months before being a possible best 22 regular. also needs to work on his defensive game.

Garcia: played 9 games, looks likely to take over the Windhager role of '22 and '23, defensive lockdown mid. Probably going to play a fair few games unless he's on the outer with Macrae in.


Developing from 2021 national draft onwards

Collard: could be anything, very slight frame but was in the top of a lot of athletic tests at the combine and a natural small forward. hopefully develops but unclear at the minute.

Hastie: played a few games, needs another preseason or 2 to be able to play consistently in the backline as a skinny lad. shown a lot of promise.

Keeler: developing in the VFL, could be a tall forward with part-time ruck duties or a key defender, been moved around a bit in the reserves. Going to take a while, not a sure thing.



I actually can see why we'd go for a lot of our picks now, there's a lot of late season form and adversity from injuries this group have faced.

Tauru with an injury interrupted few years who still came home with a wet sail, could be a Clayton Oliver-like growth to end his underage year and just keep on exceeding previous expectations if his body is right.

Boxshall who has versatility along with his endurance, size, athleticism, marking and performed very well in the back end of the season.

Barrat: Like Tauru, injury interrupted 2023, looking at his highlights and stats he stands out like a few other recent draftees as VERSATILE. Can play as a tall forward, tall back, even went head to head in the midfield for a bit with Harvey Langford. Tall and will probably take a few years to develop.

Dodson: just smart/good value, talked up as a late first round pick and the best ruck option of the draft. Will take time but maybe less than some others given his athleticism and agility for his size. Will keep Heath on his toes.

Said: looks like a Gresham type, can play middle and forward. Unlike Gresh though, seems he has a decent kicking action...

Travaglia looks like a sure thing just a matter of how good he'll end up, could probably play on 2025, just depends if we ask Nas, Sincs or Stocker to move further up the ground to give Tobie time to play at AFL level as a halfback where he's most suited.

We've got players like Crouch, Hill, Wood, Webster getting to the back end of their careers and a few will likely depart in the next 1 - 3 years, so a few of the kids we just drafted, a few developing or on the fringes and maybe 1 or 2 free agents or trades could come in. We can afford to go for a couple of talls (Tauru, Barrat, Dodson) and Boxshall can might be a Macrae replacement in 2-3 years. It makes a lot of sense really.
 
aussierulesrules said:
Leopards don’t tend to change their spots.

There is surely serious and probably pathological psychological disorder type stuff going on there, and even if he wanted to change- which is a VERY VERY big “if”- it takes enormous commitment and basically daily dedication to achieve any meaningful change.

I don’t think people in general realise just how much of the general population have very serious psychological disorders.

I think most think that “psychopaths” for instance are all in jail, or serial killers, 1-in-a-thousand thing, but experts say that up to 3% of the population are psychopathic, which is 1-in-30 or so.

And unlike “sociopaths”, they’re said to be born that way, so for every school classroom of 33 or so students, 1 is statistically likely to be psychopathic.

And they reckon that about 10% of the population are psychopathic, sociopathic, or pathologically narcissistic.

That’s as much as 1 in every 10 people that have a serious psychological disorder. 1 in 10.

They are all around, not changing their ways any time soon, and are a hard avoid.

A lot of them are hard to spot, then there are the TT’s- who almost certainly would be in jail, if he hadn’t had copious amounts of high-level support, counselling, and so-on, that most like him don’t get.
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If you are thinking 1 in 10 people are some kind of threat to society

I would think 1. you maybe need to look closer at the definitions you are talking about
And 2. You are kind of defeating your own argument- statistically in your model there are already 4 of these people on the list - so why in this scenario is Thomas off limits ?
 
Good luck to the new Irish lad but seriously what’s the % success of all the Irish kids that have come over and become successful footballers? Do SOS and Gubby have to fly over to Ireland to find these kids? Heck I wouldn’t mind a yearly holiday or two to Ireland either 😉😂
 
Hayes4PM said:
I've had a chance to digest a bit today and after the initial disappointment of one of the elite mids not sliding through (wild optimism) I've come to look at our draft as some pretty well balanced choices. We've had so many of our young players in the last 3 years of drafting come good so quickly that we can afford to have a couple of longer term prospects to develop.


Current definite best 22 from 2021 national draft onwards

Pou: up to 37 games now, looked good in the back end of the year after his stint in the VFL. Versatile as well, can play stoppage or forward. This will be his 3rd year and you'd bet on him being a best 22 player now.

Wilson: Played all 22 games for us last year and as an endurance beast who can play wing, forward for stints or half back is versatile like Pou. You'd expect him to be a best 22 player as well.

Wanganeen-Milera: up to 63 games now, probably our most well performed draftee within the last 3 years. Maybe not the highest ceiling but already performing at a pretty high level. Best 22.

Owens: up to 53 games now, could be a match winner based on his attributes. Best 22.


Fringe/possible best 22 from 2021 national draft onwards

Windhager: up to 52 games now, probably best 22 on performance quality last year but missed a bit through injury, would bank on him as best 22 next year.

Caminiti: up to 33 games now, maybe best 22 these days with Membrey gone, or could be a new tall defender proposition. Had some injury niggles and fitness probably needs to improve but probably a regular next year.

Schoenmaker: only played the 4 games in his first season but was very underdone physically apparently, would expect him to crack a few more games this season but as a tall defender probably gonna take another 18 months before being a possible best 22 regular. also needs to work on his defensive game.

Garcia: played 9 games, looks likely to take over the Windhager role of '22 and '23, defensive lockdown mid. Probably going to play a fair few games unless he's on the outer with Macrae in.


Developing from 2021 national draft onwards

Collard: could be anything, very slight frame but was in the top of a lot of athletic tests at the combine and a natural small forward. hopefully develops but unclear at the minute.

Hastie: played a few games, needs another preseason or 2 to be able to play consistently in the backline as a skinny lad. shown a lot of promise.

Keeler: developing in the VFL, could be a tall forward with part-time ruck duties or a key defender, been moved around a bit in the reserves. Going to take a while, not a sure thing.



I actually can see why we'd go for a lot of our picks now, there's a lot of late season form and adversity from injuries this group have faced.

Tauru with an injury interrupted few years who still came home with a wet sail, could be a Clayton Oliver-like growth to end his underage year and just keep on exceeding previous expectations if his body is right.

Boxshall who has versatility along with his endurance, size, athleticism, marking and performed very well in the back end of the season.

Barrat: Like Tauru, injury interrupted 2023, looking at his highlights and stats he stands out like a few other recent draftees as VERSATILE. Can play as a tall forward, tall back, even went head to head in the midfield for a bit with Harvey Langford. Tall and will probably take a few years to develop.

Dodson: just smart/good value, talked up as a late first round pick and the best ruck option of the draft. Will take time but maybe less than some others given his athleticism and agility for his size. Will keep Heath on his toes.

Said: looks like a Gresham type, can play middle and forward. Unlike Gresh though, seems he has a decent kicking action...

Travaglia looks like a sure thing just a matter of how good he'll end up, could probably play on 2025, just depends if we ask Nas, Sincs or Stocker to move further up the ground to give Tobie time to play at AFL level as a halfback where he's most suited.

We've got players like Crouch, Hill, Wood, Webster getting to the back end of their careers and a few will likely depart in the next 1 - 3 years, so a few of the kids we just drafted, a few developing or on the fringes and maybe 1 or 2 free agents or trades could come in. We can afford to go for a couple of talls (Tauru, Barrat, Dodson) and Boxshall can might be a Macrae replacement in 2-3 years. It makes a lot of sense really.
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Mate, Windhager is a definite. Just needs to stay fit!
Camminiti is a fair bit ahead of Shoenmaker ... I would not group them together
 

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Player (age) height

DEFENCE



Key Defenders


Callum Wilke (28) 191

Dougal Howard (28) 199

Zaine Cordy (27) 195

Josh Battle (25) 193 Free Agent (Hawthorn FC)

James van Es (20) 196 Delisted

Alixzander Tauru (18) 194

James Barrat (17) 193



Medium Defenders


Jimmy Webster (31) 188

Riley Bonner (27) 190 Delisted

Ben Paton (25) 187 Delisted (Sydney Rookie)

Liam Stocker (24) 184

Liam O'Connell (21) 189

Angus McLennan (21) 188

Arie Schoenmaker (19) 194



Offensive Defenders / Outside Mid


Jack Sinclair (29) 181

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (21) 187

Angus Hastie (19) 190

Tobie Travaglia (18) 187




MIDFIELD



Inside Mids


Seb Ross (30) 187 Delisted

Jack Macrae (30) 192 Traded in

Brad Crouch (30) 186 Uncertain

Zak Jones (29) 182

Jack Steele (28) 187

Paddy Dow (25) 184

Marcus Windhager (20) 185

Mattaes Phillipou (20) 190

Hugo Garcia (19) 185

Hugh Boxshall (18) 188



Outside Mids/Forwards


Mason Wood (30) 192

Brad Hill (30) 182

Hunter Clark (25) 186

Liam Henry (23) 180

Ryan Byrnes (22) 181

Max Hall (22) 183 Midseason draftee

Jack Carroll (21) 187 Traded in

Olli Hotton (20) 181 Delisted

Darcy Wilson (19) 185

Patrick Said (18) 180




RUCK


Tom Campbell (31) 201 delisted free agent (Melbourne FC)

Rowan Marshall (28) 201

Max Heath (21) 204

Alex Dodson (18) 203




FORWARDS



Key Forwards


Jack Hayes (28) 194 Delisted

Max King (24) 202

Matthew Allison (22) 195 Delisted

Anthony Caminiti (20) 196

Isaac Keeler (20) 198

?? Need



Medium Forwards


Tim Membrey (30) 188 delisted free agent (Collingwood)

Cooper Sharman (24) 193

Mitch Owens (21) 191

?? Need



Small Forwards


Dan Butler (28) 182

Jack Higgins (25) 178

Lance Collard (19) 185



UNKNOWN


Eamonn Armstong (18) 191 (Cat B) Gaelic Footballer
 
bakes10 said:
Good luck to the new Irish lad but seriously what’s the % success of all the Irish kids that have come over and become successful footballers? Do SOS and Gubby have to fly over to Ireland to find these kids? Heck I wouldn’t mind a yearly holiday or two to Ireland either 😉😂
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Three flights back to Fiji a year an I promise I’ll find a combine specialist hard tackling ruck prospect with potential.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Its also just pure dumb luck that they self destructed in a very very strong draft year.

Then again we thought it was strong when we were drafting the likes of Goddard.
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They still had eyes on the finals, which is why they recruited Taranto and Hopper with a heavy price when Dimma was still there. They also didn't expect him to quit 6 rounds in and then join another club the year after.

You are correct that the only reason they ended up with this draft hand is because the season was so miserable that the only option was to blow it up and start again. They aren't some genius' for this, if they had finished 10th and just missed finals they wouldn't be doing this.
 
_Maximus_12 said:
We need to call out excellent work that our list management team has done in actually valuing draft picks.
How often have we split picks, or traded out value for established GOPs in the last decade that hold genuine value.
Kudos to SOS and Gubby.
They’re giving our development team a chance to earn their keep, and with another batch of youngsters we seem a step closer to climbing the peak
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We tried to fast track a rebuild by bringing in GOP's, but unfortunately the core talent wasn't there. It's hard to blame them because we had games and moments in 2016-17 that were absolutely electric and we were good enough to beat most teams. I can definitely admit I was talking myself into Acres, Billings, Dunstan, Gresh etc as the the next premiership core. If we had suddenly said "we're going to the draft" after just missing finals and thinking we were a few pieces away it would not have gone down well at all.

It's easy to play the hindsight game now but if you read the thread from us being up 92-10 at halftime vs Richmond in 2017, you will find the exact same optimism i'm referring to. There was a thread called the Church of Acres or something, which gives you an idea of what the mindset was at the time.
 

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