Oppo Camp Non-MFC related footy chat 2022

[00Stinger]

And De Goey is back at Collingwood

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[markm106]

And De Goey is back at Collingwood

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Not even going to be suspended from any games. Think they’ve gone very soft on him. It’s not like it’s his first indiscretion.

 

[schmuttt]

WA is ****ed, McGowan now saying they want 90% triple vaccination before they open the border. WCE and Freo will be spending all year away from home you'd reckon.

 

[Deemanding]

Just got an email from West Coast (I hate the club more than anything but am on their mailing list because I manage our work account for the company Optus Stadium membership):

Club statement: Jack Darling 27 Jack Darling Age 31 Ht 191cm Wt 95kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 12.1 3star K 7.9 3star HB 4.2 3star M 5.0 5star T 3.0 5star G 1.9 5star D 8.0 2star K 4.3 2star HB 3.7 3star M 2.7 3star T 2.4 3star G 1.3 5star D 14.6 4star K 7.6 3star HB 7.0 5star M 6.0 5star T 4.0 5star G 1.4 5star

West Coast Eagles forward Jack Darling 27 Jack Darling Age 31 Ht 191cm Wt 95kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 12.1 3star K 7.9 3star HB 4.2 3star M 5.0 5star T 3.0 5star G 1.9 5star D 8.0 2star K 4.3 2star HB 3.7 3star M 2.7 3star T 2.4 3star G 1.3 5star D 14.6 4star K 7.6 3star HB 7.0 5star M 6.0 5star T 4.0 5star G 1.4 5star has not adhered to the AFL's Covid-19 training and playing mandates and therefore – under the AFL rules – he will be unable to attend the club’s facility at Mineral Resources Park and by extension any club training sessions. While Jack will take some time to assess his future he will train independently of the remainder of the squad.

 

[Deemanding]

WA is f’ed, McGowan now saying they want 90% triple vaccination before they open the border. WCE and Freo will be spending all year away from home you'd reckon.

As a sports fan in WA everything has really gone to s**t in the past 3 months or so. Unfortunately the lax attitude about vaccination ('we don't have COVID here so why do I need it'), and to a lesser extent because we didn't get a hell of a lot of the stuff in the early days because the border was so strongly managed meant that bugger all of us have had the booster.

 

[netslave]

Not even going to be suspended from any games. Think they’ve gone very soft on him. It’s not like it’s his first indiscretion.

"De Goey must also undertake ongoing support from health professionals and commit to permanent, part-time work with the Salvation Army."
Yeah, we'll see how long that lasts...

 

[Proper Gander]

One thing I like about our recent trading and drafting is that positive character traits seem to be a significant consideration. Must help with culture. Of course I/we may just be sanctimonious w***ers.

Sanctimonious w***ers win premierships

 

[markm106]

Jack Darling

27

Jack Darling

Age

31

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

refusing the jab and stood down for now. Actually a big blow for WC if he doesn’t play this year.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

"De Goey must also undertake ongoing support from health professionals and commit to permanent, part-time work with the Salvation Army."
Yeah, we'll see how long that lasts...

gets out of it when he sexually assaults a homeless person.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

The Western missing two consecutive AFLW games because of COVID is so fitting given their constant whinging about how hard done they are by injuries etc.

 

[PerfectFooty]

 

[schmuttt]

It’s kinda ****ed how many women do ACLs playing footy.

 

[Dory_77]

It’s kinda f’ed how many women do ACLs playing footy.

Yep, running at about 2 ACLs a round atm, plus T Smith in preseason. So s**t for Cordner, always liked her playing for us and the romance of having a Cordner on the list again given the family history with the club.

 

[Bluelegs]

It’s kinda f’ed how many women do ACLs playing footy.

Do women face a higher rate of ACLs in other sports than their male counterparts?

I saw one person claim that the ACL rates are higher due to the womens season being in the summer which seemed dubious.

 

[Proper Gander]

Do women face a higher rate of ACLs in other sports than their male counterparts?

I saw one person claim that the ACL rates are higher due to the womens season being in the summer which seemed dubious.

I think I have heard this is the case, and by a decent margin. I don’t know about the summer part which does sound very dubious.

I have heard that there are two theories about the reason. The first relating to female body structure inherently making that sex more susceptible to certain injuries under certain conditions (such as the leaping and twisting in AFL). The second is that women playing AFL are doing so with far less conditioning under specialist AFL trainers - less training sessions, fewer years in the sport, no full-time professional occupations as AFL players etc.

Might involve columns A and B

 

[Dory_77]

I think I have heard this is the case, and by a decent margin. I don’t know about the summer part which does sound very dubious.

I have heard that there are two theories about the reason. The first relating to female body structure inherently making that sex more susceptible to certain injuries under certain conditions (such as the leaping and twisting in AFL). The second is that women playing AFL are doing so with far less conditioning under specialist AFL trainers - less training sessions, fewer years in the sport, no full-time professional occupations as AFL players etc.

Might involve columns A and B

These seem to be the main reasons I've seen too. I'd also heard of a study linking risk to menstrual cycles, though there was some conjecture about thay.
The AFL had setup some studies into causes and prevention (I think, may have been thrown off by COVID).

 

[Proper Gander]

These seem to be the main reasons I've seen too. I'd also heard of a study linking risk to menstrual cycles, though there was some conjecture about thay.
The AFL had setup some studies into causes and prevention (I think, may have been thrown off by COVID).

Will be good to see some results once done.

ACL tears are a part of AFL, and there’s not much you can do to strengthen the ligament itself since it doesn’t have blood flow like a muscle. But I understand you can strengthen surrounding muscles to support the ligament during the vulnerable movements, and even get people who have had previous issues to learn better movement practices for their own body. It’s probably not a coincidence that Max did two knees early career, with less rigour in his training standards, but has avoided the issue since.

But it would be great for female Australian Football players to get the best training and prep to lessen the likelihood of those kind of injuries.

Shame about the menstrual cycle theory going bust because of all theories that would be the easiest to address.

 

[Dory_77]

Will be good to see some results once done.

ACL tears are a part of AFL, and there’s not much you can do to strengthen the ligament itself since it doesn’t have blood flow like a muscle. But I understand you can strengthen surrounding muscles to support the ligament during the vulnerable movements, and even get people who have had previous issues to learn better movement practices for their own body. It’s probably not a coincidence that Max did two knees early career, with less rigour in his training standards, but has avoided the issue since.

But it would be great for female Australian Football players to get the best training and prep to lessen the likelihood of those kind of injuries.

Shame about the menstrual cycle theory going bust because of all theories that would be the easiest to address.

I think with extra training, physio work etc things should improve, but this season has been carnage compared to the early AFLW years that I can remember (and presumably players are stronger, fitter now) so who knows.
Also I'm not 100% that the menstrual cycle theory is bust per se, I think it might just need more research/data to back it up.

 

[Proper Gander]

I think with extra training, physio work etc things should improve, but this season has been carnage compared to the early AFLW years that I can remember (and presumably players are stronger, fitter now) so who knows.
Also I'm not 100% that the menstrual cycle theory is bust per se, I think it might just need more research/data to back it up.

If the menstrual cycle theory has legs, then that would be a good thing, because of the range of options to lessen or remove the physical impacts which could help a lot of young women who are playing Australian Football. None of these things could be utilised where the woman is trying to become pregnant at the particular time, but for a majority that wouldn’t be the case at a given point in time

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I think I have heard this is the case, and by a decent margin. I don’t know about the summer part which does sound very dubious.

I have heard that there are two theories about the reason. The first relating to female body structure inherently making that sex more susceptible to certain injuries under certain conditions (such as the leaping and twisting in AFL). The second is that women playing AFL are doing so with far less conditioning under specialist AFL trainers - less training sessions, fewer years in the sport, no full-time professional occupations as AFL players etc.

Might involve columns A and B

I have no background in this but even before reading any studies etc I’ve always thought that B would be a huge part of it.

I liken it to Angus Brayshaw and his concussion issues. He grew up playing the game a certain way which was clearly v dangerous but he got away with it for a long time at junior level bc it’s relatively more gentle. His career was almost ruined by early concussions but we were able to teach him a few simple things about the way he leads with the head etc and he’s basically now eliminated that risk for himself.

Footy isn’t a gendered sport inherently, but it’s been played almost exclusively by men at the highest level until very recently. So the entire ‘infrastructure’ of the sport is informed by male bodies, from the physical therapy science around rehab and conditioning to the mechanical science of the sport itself around jumping and landing. There’s been a huge amount of risk mitigation done to limit the negative consequences of what is still a very dangerous sport, but the accessibility of those benefits are obviously hugely biased against people who don’t fit the pro forma that the overwhelming scientific consensus has been built around - highly fit white male bodies.

So female footy players are getting the budget version of rehab and conditioning best practice which is overwhelmingly biased against them, but they’re probably also being trained technically by footy coaches (from how they run to jump to kick to tackle) on a dosage of methods which might have been determined to be safest or most mechanically optimal for male joints or whatever but completely ignore any possible variations.

Then you throw in the fact that a lot of these players have only been playing for a few years and the number who came up playing as young girls might still be in the minority and it adds a whole other risk calculus.

 

[netslave]

To me it seems like a lot more women do ACLs in AFLW. Would be interesting to see that number compared to netball stats for ACLs.
To my simple way of thinking it's not growing up playing the sport and possibly training and the muscle support around the joint.
I'm pretty sure they do exercises to strengthen these muscles though. I wonder if Burgo or Brukie would have any imore nsights.

 

[00Stinger]

To me it seems like a lot more women do ACLs in AFLW. Would be interesting to see that number compared to netball stats for ACLs.
To my simple way of thinking it's not growing up playing the sport and possibly training and the muscle support around the joint.
I'm pretty sure they do exercises to strengthen these muscles though. I wonder if Burgo or Brukie would have any imore nsights.

The studs of the points planting in the ground to stop slipping would have to cause a lot more force/strain through the knee region I would have thought

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[markm106]

I think Collingwood missed a trick not suspending JDG for a month of games. This wasn’t his first rodeo. He was found guilty of assaulting and threatening. It’s still a boys club down there. Side by side and all that.

 

[schmuttt]

Probably doesn't help they play in the summer when the ground is much harder too. It is clearly a physiological thing as you don't even see this at the amateur levels of mens footy, but the timing of the season wouldn't help either.

 

[jhong]

Sad to hear of the passing of Freddie Cook . A real entertainer for Port Melb and a good footballer as well . RIP