List Mgmt. Welcome Harley Reid (Pick 1, 2023 National Draft)

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[Astro7]

We're one game in ffs...! Hysteria runs amok.(especially over east)
We won't win, but I hope we have a couple of competitive/non blow-out games just to settle the writhing filthy beast that is the footy PR machine.
And hope Harley has a good/accountable game or two to shut the squabbling parrots up?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

And is the solution to that simply cutting ties, or perhaps better protecting him from the relentless targeting?

The best version of Harley Reid is the best player on ours and many other lists. People pulling the ripcord after the first bump in the road, because a bloke didn’t handle his first ever offseason as well as he needs to are insane.

The solution is Harley learning some discipline, and also some humility. It’s a team sport. He’s one of 18 out on the field. The fact he is so easily baited into forgetting that there is a game of football shows a lack of maturity and focus.

If Harley wants to buy in, be committed on and off the park, I’d take him in a second, but he’s not really showing that with his on and off field actions.

 

[DanWCE]

The fact he is so easily baited into forgetting that there is a game of football shows a lack of maturity and focus.

No shit! He. Is. 19. Not the finished product. I mean seriously...

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

No shit! He. Is. 19. Not the finished product. I mean seriously...

did you remember Sam Walsh behaving that way when Carlton were 1-11 in 2019? He had 3 coaches in his first 3 years?

Or Matt Rowell when GCS sucked ass.

No we didn’t.

There’s a certain expectation that goes along with being a number 1 pick. The draft system is meant to work in a way where the best player goes to the worst performing team. And the expectations on number 1 picks is different to other draftees.

Harley’s professionalism and application is obviously not where it needs to be. And comes up well short comparing him to other number 1 picks like Ashcroft, Walsh, Rowell.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

The solution is Harley learning some discipline, and also some humility. It’s a team sport. He’s one of 18 out on the field. The fact he is so easily baited into forgetting that there is a game of football shows a lack of maturity and focus.

If Harley wants to buy in, be committed on and off the park, I’d take him in a second, but he’s not really showing that with his on and off field actions.

It’s been said but he’s 19 ffs. He’s not attending opening bounce and swinging, he’s a kid who needs to learn to not let frustration get the better of him over the course of hours as he’s getting crashed around all day while getting no protection.

If the questions is “is Harley the finished product and the best version of a pro footballer he can be?” then of course the answer is no.

If the questions is “are we better for having Harley Reid (21 games into his career) on our list?” then I think anyone who doesn’t have that answer as a resounding yes is either selling something or taking something.

There’s a lot of very broad strokes, ‘this is how it will always be and nothing will ever change or improve’ thinking going on here.

 

[RookiePick]

...and I get taken to task over being a melter

Harleybae4eva. Kid is going to be a cracker.

 

[RanaNaved]

From the makers of “how come the club hasn’t done anything to make him feel at home?” comes “how come we moved his best mate over with him so they could live together, what about the host family process?”

Lots of “I actually want him to go actually so I actually think it’ll be a good thing and it won’t devastate me, actually actually” preemptive self protection going on in here.

He’s staying, if he leaves we’re getting a haul, you all want him to stay, the equation has not changed at all.

If he's going anyway after year 3, I think it's smart to trade him this year.

If we trade him this year it'll only be to a club that has the assets that can satisfy the club. Next year as on ooc player he'll just nominate his club, and then we're forced to trade regardless of what picks they hold.

I think you're projecting tbh, when you say "you all want him to stay", it sounds like you're the one desperate for him to stay

 

[DanWCE]

Right, so the new piece of information is no two players are equal? None of those players have had a pinch of the national media speculation heaped upon them either. Harley was front page news 12 months before his name was read out.

He nor his situation are anything like those other examples.

There's no shortage of stories of players who didn't take it seriously, hit a cross roads, had a talking to and went onto be something. Embley, Stevie J, Dane Swan..

I mean look no further than how much rope Norf gave Tarryn Thomas in an effort to retain his talent despite his serious misgivings.

Patience is required. Harley is untapped potential but he is a project just as anyone else is. The juice will be worth the squeeze.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

If he's going anyway after year 3, I think it's smart to trade him this year.

If we trade him this year it'll only be to a club that has the assets that can satisfy the club. Next year as on ooc player he'll just nominate his club, and then we're forced to trade regardless of what picks they hold.

I think you're projecting tbh, when you say "you all want him to stay", it sounds like you're the one desperate for him to stay

I am desperate for him to stay, he’s the best player on our list on his day, and will only get better as he learns to train harder and stay more focused on the field.

He projects to be an All Australian midfielder if things go reasonably, and a lot more than that if they go particularly well.

Of course I’m desperate for him to stay - we suck at football, he’s fantastic at football, and we spend our time watching the club play football.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

It’s been said but he’s 19 ffs. He’s not attending opening bounce and swinging, he’s a kid who needs to learn to not let frustration get the better of him over the course of hours as he’s getting crashed around all day while getting no protection.

If the questions is “is Harley the finished product and the best version of a pro footballer he can be?” then of course the answer is no.

If the questions is “are we better for having Harley Reid (21 games into his career) on our list?” then I think anyone who doesn’t have that answer as a resounding yes is either selling something or taking something.

There’s a lot of very broad strokes, ‘this is how it will always be and nothing will ever change or improve’ thinking going on here.

No one expects Harley to be the final product. Not yet being the final product doesn’t mean what he’s been dishing up since the second half of last year.

Especially factoring in we will need to be dishing out 1.5-2 million order to keep Harley on the list beyond the end of next year.

If that’s the cost. It’s entirely reasonable to expect more (and better) than what he has been dishing out lately.

It’s not unfair or expecting too much to be expecting better from our number 1 pick.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Posted too many times in this thread for today/ever to be honest, but closing thought.

Harley’s not turned up to preseason in shape, and he’s working through that now. You’d project a slow start for him because of that, due to not doing the requisite work early and also the murderer’s row of midfields were about to face. We saw the first of that on the weekend when he was very quiet (still had a goal from 50 and narrowly missed a second storming out of a CBA, but he was clearly not up to it if we’re being honest).

So with that said - why are we resigned to the fact that this proves he’s an ill disciplined layabout, and not considering if this might make a clearly competitive bloke feel pretty embarrassed/let down by himself and tackle his preparation harder than ever in future?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I am desperate for him to stay, he’s the best player on his day, and will only get better as he better learns to train hard and stay focused on the field.

He projects to be an All Australian midfielder if things go reasonably, and a lot more than that if they go particularly well.

Of course I’m desperate for him to stay - we suck at football, he’s fantastic at football, and we spend our time watching the club play football.

And some people aren’t.

Some people were really excited for the first number 1 pick we’ve had in most peoples life times, and look at the last 6-8 months and think “well this isn’t really what we thought we were getting”.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

And some people aren’t.

Some people were really excited for the first number 1 pick we’ve had in most peoples life times, and look at the last 6-8 months and think “well this isn’t really what we thought we were getting”.

If trade period was tomorrow and tigers had pick pick 2+4 on the table, I’d take it and run.

Harley Reid is Harley Reid, but picks 2 and 4 could be anything.

They could even be Harley Reid!

Take two of these and have a lie down:



Ok last post now I swear.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I would like to see Harley played off half back for a few games until he can build up his fitness to where it needs to be to play in the midfield. I think it will help him find the ball more and would be good to have him kicks off half back. It will also make him defend. It helped N Daicos and Sheezel.

 

[Balls In]

I don't see why Harley wouldn't want to stay to carry the club on his back and get smashed and mauled by the opposition without umpire protection for the rest of his career. Give all that up to be a pinch hitting 4th or 5th mid in a permanent premiership contender playing in front of 90,000 every week?

 

[MKMatty]

Imagine taking the best kid in the country with pick 1, fast forwarding 18 months, and then wishing your club had done what they always do in trading down to the take the best WA kid possible.

There’s no pleasing some people? If we didn’t take him all of the media would have been ‘aha!’ McClure gets a 10 year tv deal where he’s a psychic, and we’d all be bitching right now ‘ugh I wish we took Harley’.

He’s not a red herring, he’s the best kid of the 2023 draft, he’s contracted, and he’s gonna get better with time.

 

[ziad]

Imagine taking the best kid in the country with pick 1, fast forwarding 18 months, and then wishing your club had done what they always do in trading down to the take the best WA kid possible.

There’s no pleasing some people? If we didn’t take him all of the media would have been ‘aha!’ McClure gets a 10 year tv deal where he’s a psychic, and we’d all be bitching right now ‘ugh I wish we took Harley’.

He’s not a red herring, he’s the best kid of the 2023 draft, he’s contracted, and he’s gonna get better with time.

Plus, he has more fight than half the list combined. Good to see.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

did you remember Sam Walsh behaving that way when Carlton were 1-11 in 2019? He had 3 coaches in his first 3 years?

Or Matt Rowell when GCS sucked ass.

No we didn’t.

There’s a certain expectation that goes along with being a number 1 pick. The draft system is meant to work in a way where the best player goes to the worst performing team. And the expectations on number 1 picks is different to other draftees.

Harley’s professionalism and application is obviously not where it needs to be. And comes up well short comparing him to other number 1 picks like Ashcroft, Walsh, Rowell.

This goes a lot to the quandary the recruitment teams find themselves in.....do we go the pure footballer with all the talent but doesn't quite hit the athletic professional profile vs do we go the pure professional athlete that's good at footy. Harley vs Chesser

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[Godfather32]

Harley Reid is Harley Reid, but picks 2 and 4 could be anything.

They could even be Harley Reid!

Take two of these and have a lie down:



Ok last post now I swear.

Imagine being unhappy with taking the most exciting kid we've drafted since Nic Nat because of a few teething problems and the WAFL level midfield we keep surrounding him with.

 

[Astro7]

Done and dusted...okay?

 

[Chris_6678]

R Daniels doubling done on Ried leaving and had it well over 60% chance.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

R Daniels doubling done on Ried leaving and had it well over 60% chance.

Where was this?

 

[Wettoaster]

Lol, whomever on either side of the argument thinks they will convince the other is delusional. Its just like the left and the right of politics.

Fun to read but.

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[Chris_6678]

Where was this?

On his podcast with X Ellis. In the mailbag section of the podcast ( todays ep). He mentions it very quickly!

 

[RanaNaved]

On his podcast with X Ellis. In the mailbag section of the podcast ( todays ep). He mentions it very quickly!

As in leaves this year?