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[Wearmouth]

Maybe not today.
My point is Thomas was not "cut' or let go.

Your comment "Just as Thomas and Mayne were sent on their way"
is disrespectful to both players. Mayne retired after a very substantial career and in the case of Thomas you're simply wrong.
Had he been fit would have been on the list until age or form actually took it's course as with any player.
The implication of the post was that Thomas was in poor form which is not the case, only injury ended his career.
At the time he was very much best 22.

Please, Thomas was kept on one year too long. And don’t get me started on Mayne. The man who moved at the speed of dark. He was the only player I knew who went into deficit in meters gained….

Those who decided to keep them on so long should be apologizing to the members. But alas, none of the perpetrators are still conducting their business at the club. Thankfully.

That you actually think they left on their own accord is comical. However it was sold to the media isn’t my concern. He would have been advised that no more contracts extensions would be available to him. So to Mayne. Ginnivan, Henry and Mcreery on minimum chips put an end to needing Thomas.

And Mayne well let’s just say we saw the light.


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[magpies42]

Good one Juan Ide: really like the balance of this side. Carmichael in the guts is a big call and I really like it. Can't see Adams and Mitchell on the ground at the same time very often, reckon Adams interchanges with Titch initially and once his fitness is up and the coaches are confident in his body he might spend some time on the HBF. Really like Crisp off HB - That's up there with the best backlines going around - especially if Pendles runs through there. Cox as the sub is nice too, provides some coverage for the loss of Cameron and ensures that we can maintain a strong marking presence around the ground - reckon this is the best I've see - go Pies

Adams and Mitchell on ball at the same time is what dream teams are made of?

Are you implying that you don’t want to be bored out of your brains seeing as annihilate opposition teams?!

Bizarre post. Adams is the perfect team mate no matter the mix, he will sacrifice his game for the betterment of the team, he will play the foil, he will win the ball when it’s his turn. They will be the best in all pairing in the comp!!

 

[RobJD]

Adams and Mitchell on ball at the same time is what dream teams are made of?

Are you implying that you don’t want to be bored out of your brains seeing as annihilate opposition teams?!

Bizarre post. Adams is the perfect team mate no matter the mix, he will sacrifice his game for the betterment of the team, he will play the foil, he will win the ball when it’s his turn. They will be the best in all pairing in the comp!!

I agree that they are an ideal pairing, but sharing the hard ball get role, not competing for it - I'd prefer some outside speed with run and carry ability - say a Mitchell/Naics combination - when they're not on the ball , run with an Adams/De Goey combination. Means that 100% of the time we've got either Mitchell or Adams for the inside mid role and then either Naics or De Goey to complete the clearance.

 

[Gaspard]

I agree that they are an ideal pairing, but sharing the hard ball get role, not competing for it - I'd prefer some outside speed with run and carry ability - say a Mitchell/Naics combination - when they're not on the ball , run with an Adams/De Goey combination. Means that 100% of the time we've got either Mitchell or Adams for the inside mid role and then either Naics or De Goey to complete the clearance.

This is so obvious I am amazed that it is necessary to say it. It is more complex of course, with the other midfielders that will be on site at any given time being equally important. In the scrum that is modern football, most players are around the ball and the rest are within one kick. Roles change from contest to contest depending on what tactics the opposition are running at the time, so it is very difficult for the mugs on the outer to identify what jobs the coaches have assigned at any given contest.
Adams and Mitchell are clearly the guys mostly assigned to getting in and getting the ball, but we all know that everyone has to do it when circumstances demand. You want the long accurate kicks to be the last guys in the chain, but circumstances don't always allow this. Opposition defences are always looking to sit on those players and make sure they are not the ones to get a clean disposal. As does ours. That's football.

 

[10571z]

Are the pies training today?

 

[jonbe54]

This is so obvious I am amazed that it is necessary to say it. It is more complex of course, with the other midfielders that will be on site at any given time being equally important. In the scrum that is modern football, most players are around the ball and the rest are within one kick. Roles change from contest to contest depending on what tactics the opposition are running at the time, so it is very difficult for the mugs on the outer to identify what jobs the coaches have assigned at any given contest.
Adams and Mitchell are clearly the guys mostly assigned to getting in and getting the ball, but we all know that everyone has to do it when circumstances demand. You want the long accurate kicks to be the last guys in the chain, but circumstances don't always allow this. Opposition defences are always looking to sit on those players and make sure they are not the ones to get a clean disposal. As does ours. That's football.

Then the logical tactic is to have the long accurate kick either second disposal in the chain or running patterns to clear for his mates.

 

[neilk]

Are the pies training today?

Back on Monday according to Jen.

 

[magpies42]

I agree that they are an ideal pairing, but sharing the hard ball get role, not competing for it - I'd prefer some outside speed with run and carry ability - say a Mitchell/Naics combination - when they're not on the ball , run with an Adams/De Goey combination. Means that 100% of the time we've got either Mitchell or Adams for the inside mid role and then either Naics or De Goey to complete the clearance.

That’s the thing we have plenty of speed on the wings coming off half back. You want speed in the players receiving the second and third hand passes. On occasion it does help to have the extractors break lines, in most cases though they take a few steps and then pump the ball forward without much skill.

Agree Degoey is another good option. Adams has limited utility playing anywhere else though.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Agreed on Nobes some people can't let go of his early career performances.

Noble has been good since day 1

 

[Big Bryza]

Maybe not today.
My point is Thomas was not "cut' or let go.

Your comment "Just as Thomas and Mayne were sent on their way"
is disrespectful to both players. Mayne retired after a very substantial career and in the case of Thomas you're simply wrong.
Had he been fit would have been on the list until age or form actually took it's course as with any player.
The implication of the post was that Thomas was in poor form which is not the case, only injury ended his career.
At the time he was very much best 22.

JT was cooked. Blind Freddie could see that.

 

[loki04]

Shane O’Bree? How could he?

Well he has been kicking to the opposition his whole career so....

 

[jonbe54]

Noble has been good since day 1

He has but not as consistent for the game - has had mind fades from time to time in his early games and people just won't let it go.

 

[Fat Jesus]

I agree that they are an ideal pairing, but sharing the hard ball get role, not competing for it - I'd prefer some outside speed with run and carry ability - say a Mitchell/Naics combination - when they're not on the ball , run with an Adams/De Goey combination. Means that 100% of the time we've got either Mitchell or Adams for the inside mid role and then either Naics or De Goey to complete the clearance.

Nick always puts himself into the right spot to recieve the ball.
Extremely hard to tag from what I see. Followed by perfect execution.

DeGoey is a real hardnut who is also hard to tag.
Hill could also be used with his lightning speed. Ed Allan
We are starting to look good in the middle.

 

[Sea fog]

JT was cooked. Blind Freddie could see that.

JT was largely cooked after 2018, in fact his output slowed towards the end of that season. He was not the greatest trainer either.

 

[pome pie]

JT was largely cooked after 2018, in fact his output slowed towards the end of that season. He was not the greatest trainer either.

Still have nightmares of him running towards open goal with ball in hand only to get pushed of the kick last minute… drop in the ball paid

 

[Pie eyed]

When did JT ever have a knee injury?

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My apologies, Foot injuries.

 

[Pie eyed]

Thomas retired of his own volition though? He was playing every game week in, week out?

Retired of his own volition due to constant injury.
Definitely not "moved on" or shown the door, which is my point.

 

[Mick F]

Nick always puts himself into the right spot to recieve the ball.
Extremely hard to tag from what I see. Followed by perfect execution.

DeGoey is a real hardnut who is also hard to tag.
Hill could also be used with his lightning speed. Ed Allan
We are starting to look good in the middle.

I would think Hill will impact more 2024 and beyond. Expect it to take him a while to get back to full aerobic fitness.

 

[Apex36]

Retired of his own volition due to constant injury.
Definitely not "moved on" or shown the door, which is my point.

What is this mystery injury you keep referring to? He played 21 games in his last season and I’m struggling to remember him having any real injury issues outside of the start of his career with his foot issues.
Yes, he officially retired. However, it’s very likely he saw the writing on the wall with the likes of McCreery and Ginnivan pushing their way in to the 22. He would have been well aware that he’d have likely been playing a lot of VFL in 2022 had he stayed on, and decided to go out as a senior player. Not many lower tier players have the guts to do that and will hold on for dear life, so props to him for that.

 

[Sea fog]

What is this mystery injury you keep referring to? He played 21 games in his last season and I’m struggling to remember him having any real injury issues outside of the start of his career with his foot issues.
Yes, he officially retired. However, it’s very likely he saw the writing on the wall with the likes of McCreery and Ginnivan pushing their way in to the 22. He would have been well aware that he’d have likely been playing a lot of VFL in 2022 had he stayed on, and decided to go out as a senior player. Not many lower tier players have the guts to do that and will hold on for dear life, so props to him for that.

He was not going to be offered another contract. My nightmares of him relate to the 2019 Anzac Day match when he kept getting run down. Now let us be honest, he was not quick, he was not tall, his skills were okay but not always consistent. I really think he benefited in 2018 by that swarm squad we had down forward which allowed him to sometimes fly under the radar but his consistency waned as the season went on and he did very little in the Grand Final.

 

[Hugg]

Noble has been good since day 1

He turned the ball over in the finals.......

 

[VinnieB]

He turned the ball over in the finals.......

Noble can be frustrating at times, but he has far more good moments than bad and is best 22. Has been a great pickup and obviously valued by old and new coaching group.

 

[VinnieB]

I would think Hill will impact more 2024 and beyond. Expect it to take him a while to get back to full aerobic fitness.

Would love to see Hill and McInness split time on the wing. Stamina may not be there as yet, but their speed will compliment our game perfectly.

Will be very exciting to watch. Can’t shake that 1 handed mark McInness took leading up through CHF against the Hawks from memory just before doing his shoulder. Height, skill, speed….

 

[Bianconeri]

I would think Hill will impact more 2024 and beyond. Expect it to take him a while to get back to full aerobic fitness.

If wants midfield/wing time will probably have to wait till 2024 but I think aerobic capacity will be enough for a small forward role this season.

 

[cityslick1]

Will be very exciting to watch. Can’t shake that 1 handed mark McInness took leading up through CHF against the Hawks from memory just before doing his shoulder. Height, skill, speed….

McInness is a VERY good mark, as is Ash Johnson. But Reef needs to work on his goal kicking, and a bit of forward craft. Is an exciting utility though, as he is already solid across the shoulders and has good core thickness… which along with his aerobic challenges makes me think he won’t ever play mid. More a swingman / flanker, with genuine explosiveness, unless he really settles into a forward spot once Elliott makes way.

Johnson is a bona fide forward though, with John Coleman like attributes. Couldn’t help this, as he would’ve dominated in the old days with 6’ 0” defenders on him. He has a massive wingspan, so don’t be deceived by his lack of height in a marking contest. Murphy looks regularly frustrated that he can’t get near the ball in a marking duel with him, so it’s just his body on body work that defenders will try to expose him with. But his leads, awareness, and leap are also elite. I think he has to play in our forward line, with McStay and Brodie taking the bigger bodies.

With an extra year of development into Ash and Ginni, and McCreery… and now with McStay and Hill added, things could really click and cause opposition backlines nightmares this year.

And I have not seen Ginni duck once at training all summer…..