Analysis The Rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their Future Prospects

[STPer18]

Will they bring back priority picks for Richmond's sake since thats what it took last time?

Yet another rule the CFL tweaked to stop the Tiggie juggernaut - no more tanking for handouts.

 

[FootyLad0]

1967
1969
1980
2017
2019
2020.

So I’ve seen a few of them FooL.

You saw with your own eyes 67, 69, 80?
You were coherent and visually understanding what was happening?

I call bullshit, especially on the first two.
Even if you were born on the day it happened in 1967 that was 57 years, 6 months and 15 days ago.

And didn't you say 10-1? What happened to all of the other years?
Seems like you just grabbed a bunch of data and dumped it.

It has no relevance to 2025 whatsoever. Majority of both Cats and Tigers lists since 2020 aren't even there anymore let alone any year prior to that and that was 5 years ago.

So again, what does that have to do with either team's current lists?

 

[STPer18]

Anyway back to the topic at hand, five-gamer O'Sullivan's astronomical rise seems to have really lit the fuse in this again. Are they rebuilding? Are they contending? The four-timers have everyone guessing again.

 

[Mr Meow]

Geelong really struggle for general forwards. Here are the top 6 in the AFL for 2024:

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Aren't they all mid 30s though? Retirement beckons.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You saw with your own eyes 67, 69, 80?
You were coherence and visually understanding what was happening?

I call bullshit, especially on the first two.
even if you were born on the day it happened that was 57 years, 6 months and 15 days ago.

And didn't you say 10-1? What happened to all of the other years?
Seems like you just grabbed a bunch of data and dumped it.

It has no relevance to 2025 whatsoever. Majority of both Cats and Tigers lists since 2020 aren't even there anymore let alone any year prior to that and that w 5 years ago.

So again, what does that have to do with either team's current lists?

Go back and read the conversation I was responding to. My responses are bang on point as usual.

How many times in history do you make it that Geelong has outscored Richmond in a finals series where they met?

You asked if I was alive. I tell you the ones I was alive for. You call bullshit then list a whole lot of other criteria. You are a mess.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Anyway back to the topic at hand, five-gamer O'Sullivan's astronomical rise seems to have really lit the fuse in this again. Are they rebuilding? Are they contending? The four-timers have everyone guessing again.

I hope O’Sullivan plays 150 games because none of your other 17 most recent first picks have.

 

[FootyLad0]

Go back and read the conversation I was responding to. My responses are bang on point as usual.

You asked if I was alive. I tell you the ones I was alive for. You call bullshit then list a whole lot of other criteria. You are a mess.

Oh geez i'm sure you celebrated a few cold ones in the 60's for sure...

For the third time, how is it relevant whatsoever to the rebuilds of Richmond and Geelong in 2025?

Should be threadbanned or at least comments deleted if you can't stay on topic.

 

[PhatBoy]

So no 150 gamers and a perfunctory sub flag from your last 18 first picks at the draft from genius Wells?

That is, I think you would agree, putrid cubed.

Our last 18 first picks at the draft?

That’s interesting.

That would include your condescendingly named friend, Harold Taylor, would it not, who was drafted first for us in 2007?

He did ok as I recall.

Was that within the last 18 drafts, as it was 18 drafts ago?
If you are going to go down the ‘fact’ route, be factual.

Menzel - like Max Holmes since - missed out due to an injury. In his same draft, we had 2 other premiership players as well. Duncan and Christensen.

Good thing in the same draft as the one with Parfitt, our premiership player, our second pick was handy too. He’s got a wardrobe full of AA blazers and a flag.

In fact 2016 was a very good year.

Wells ‘battled’ his way to 6 flag players in 2016 across the national and rookie drafts plus bringing in O’Connor and Tuohy. Henry and Zac Guthrie were real busts…

Holmes and O’Sullivan have both been first picks. Kelly and De Koning were both second picks taken almost immediately after first ones.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Oh geez i'm sure you celebrated a few cold ones in the 60's for sure...

For the third time, how is relevant whatsoever to the rebuilds of Richmond and Geelong in 2025?

Should be threadbanned or at least comments deleted if you can't stay on topic.

I was responding to points made by your posters about Richmond’s ability to build successful teams. Totally on topic sook.

 

[FootyLad0]

Our last 18 first picks at the draft?

That’s interesting.

That would include your condescendingly named friend, Harold Taylor, would it not, who was drafted first for us in 2007?

He did ok as I recall.

Was that within the last 18 drafts, as it was 18 drafts ago?
If you are going to go down the ‘fact’ route, be factual.

Menzel - like Max Holmes since - missed out due to an injury. In his same draft, we had 2 other premiership players as well. Duncan and Christensen.

Good thing in the same draft as the one with Parfitt, our premiership player, our second pick was handy too. He’s got a wardrobe full of AA blazers and a flag.

In fact 2016 was a very good year.

Wells ‘battled’ his way to 6 flag players in 2016 across the national and rookie drafts plus bringing in O’Connor and Tuohy. Henry and Zac Guthrie were real busts…

Holmes and O’Sullivan have both been first picks. Kelly and De Koning were both second picks taken almost immediately after first ones.

He has to argue "first round picks" because Geelong rarely ever has first rounders, haven't finished below 12th so never get access to early picks. It's why Wells is the best.

It's a bad faith argument to use "first round picks" and not just "recruits" in general.
Most of Richmond's premiership sides were not first rounders either.

 

[FootyLad0]

I was responding to points made by your posters about Richmond’s ability to build successful teams. Totally on topic sook.

This thread - "The rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their future prospects" (thread started in 2023)

You repeatedly - "Yeah look at all those H2H Premierships Richmond won before the AFL era."

Are you on crack? Stay on topic?

Both sides have plenty of talking points in 2025 that actually make sense to the thread.

 

[STPer18]

Wellsy's first picks (which sometimes aren't even in the 1st round) are generally just a loosener before he picks future multiple AA & premiership stars with the rest. That's why he's the GOAT.

 

[Mr Meow]

1967
1969
1980
2017
2019
2020.

So I’ve seen a few of them FooL.

You keep shifting the narrative: are you 58 years old, or 70? What were those 60s games like?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Our last 18 first picks at the draft?

That’s interesting.

That would include your condescendingly named friend, Harold Taylor, would it not, who was drafted first for us in 2007?

He did ok as I recall.

Was that within the last 18 drafts, as it was 18 drafts ago?
If you are going to go down the ‘fact’ route, be factual.

Menzel - like Max Holmes since - missed out due to an injury. In his same draft, we had 2 other premiership players as well. Duncan and Christensen.

Good thing in the same draft as the one with Parfitt, our premiership player, our second pick was handy too. He’s got a wardrobe full of AA blazers and a flag.

In fact 2016 was a very good year.

Wells ‘battled’ his way to 6 flag players in 2016 across the national and rookie drafts plus bringing in O’Connor and Tuohy. Henry and Zac Guthrie were real busts…

Holmes and O’Sullivan have both been first picks. Kelly and De Koning were both second picks taken almost immediately after first ones.

17 drafts then. Still putrid despite all your excuses and convoluted explanations.

You might read back and see YOUR fellow Cats tragic raised Richmond’s failed Rd 1 picks. In that time we have plucked D Martin, B Ellis, N Vlastuin, D Rioli, S Bolton, J Higgins amongst our first picks at the draft. That must make Wells worshippers cry.

 

[Mr Meow]

This thread - "The rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their future prospects" (thread started in 2023)

You repeatedly - "Yeah look at all those H2H Premierships Richmond won before the AFL era."

Are you on crack? Stay on topic?

Both sides have plenty of talking points in 2025 that actually make sense to the thread.

He does this every single time. It is his way of conceding the on topic argument.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This thread - "The rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their future prospects" (thread started in 2023)

You repeatedly - "Yeah look at all those H2H Premierships Richmond won before the AFL era."

Are you on crack? Stay on topic?

Both sides have plenty of talking points in 2025 that actually make sense to the thread.

Tell your own supporters to stick strictly to looking at the future then. I am merely responding to them questioning Richmond’s credentials to build a successful list by listing Richmond’s credentials to build a successful list.

I would have thought that was perfectly fair and relevant.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Wellsy's first picks (which sometimes aren't even in the 1st round) are generally just a loosener before he picks future multiple AA & premiership stars with the rest. That's why he's the GOAT.

In other words his first picks are laughably shyte.

 

[PhatBoy]

17 drafts then. Still putrid despite all your excuses and convoluted explanations.

You might read back and see YOUR fellow Cats tragic raised Richmond’s failed Rd 1 picks. In that time we have plucked D Martin, B Ellis, N Vlastuin, D Rioli, S Bolton, J Higgins amongst our first picks at the draft. That must make Wells worshippers cry.

why would that make us cry? When we WERE getting high picks he delivered premiership stars to us on a platter, now that we aren’t, he has delivered them anyway just via different means. Instead of them coming at picks 1-20, they have been from rookie drafts and picks 60.

Not really sure why we would be that upset about it. I don’t remember being on beer 15 on grand final day 2022 lamenting that Mark Blicavs came from a rookie draft

 

[FootyLad0]

He does this every single time. It is his way of conceding the on topic argument.

People who argue in bad faith and can't answer the question generally know they are full of shit so have to switch the argument to something else.

Politicians do it all the time.

There's soo many points we can bring up about each side from 2023 onwards when this thread was started, don't get how mods don't delete things like this?
It emboldens people to continue arguing in bad faith like Meteoric Rise is doing.

It's really not that hard to have a healthy debate.
1. Bring your points relevant to the topic and stay on topic
2. Utilise information and facts to back up the points
3. Listen and adsorb what other people are saying, not just listening to respond

If MR wants to respond i'm happy to engage as its the internet and it means diddly squat.
Just have no time for people who pull shenanigans then name call when they don't like what they hear.

 

[FootyLad0]

Tell your own supporters to stick strictly to looking at the future then. I am merely responding to them questioning Richmond’s credentials to build a successful list by listing Richmond’s credentials to build a successful list.

I would have thought that was perfectly fair and relevant.

I'm pretty sure they did and you brought up Wells drafting history from stuff that isn't relevant.
Look at the teams now, i'm sure neither can say they are doing it the wrong way.

Cats are utilising their ability to find gems late (something Richmond did to build their dynasty too)
Tigers are fully rebuilding from the ground up.

Neither strategy is wrong, people just obviously (as per the poll) see Geelong's young players right now being better.
Does not mean that those results can change, with Tassie coming in the Tigers would wanna hope all these young blokes pan out really well or it's gonna be a lonnnngg time in the doldrums.

Ask Brisbane how it went trying to rebuild from the ground up with the introduction of expansion clubs.

 

[PhatBoy]

In other words his first picks are laughably shyte.

Some of them have been.
Some haven’t.


Joel Corey
Josh Hunt
Jimmy Bartel
Andrew Mackie
Travis Varcoe
Joel Selwood
Harry Taylor
Dan Menzel
Brandon Parfitt
Max Holmes

All decent to very good players and in most cases it didn’t really matter anyway because he took dozens of guys after them that were better anyway.

O’Sullivan and Conway you would hope will join that list based on the little we have seen of them.

 

[captain bloodsport]

the ratings your buddy is using has;

Matt Kennedy as the 8th best mid in the league
Shaun Mannagh as the #1 best mid-forward in the league
Lachie Ash as the 3rd best defender in the league
Ben Long & Paul Curtis as the two best general forwards in the league

You really think they're more reliable ratings than supercoach? Or are you just a little bit upset because Geelong still has better youth than Richmond years into a tank?

You'd take jack macrae over max Holmes?

Caleb Daniel over sdk?

Jacob hopper over danger?

Supercoach isn't a reliable way to rate players

 

[Footy Smarts]

We're shit with our first picks in recent times. You've gotta give the other teams a chance.

We're better with Richmond's first pick.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I'm pretty sure they did and you brought up Wells drafting history from stuff that isn't relevant.
Look at the teams now, i'm sure neither can say they are doing it the wrong way.

Cats are utilising their ability to find gems late (something Richmond did to build their dynasty too)
Tigers are fully rebuilding from the ground up.

Neither strategy is wrong, people just obviously (as per the poll) see Geelong's young players right now being better.
Does not mean that those results can change, with Tassie coming in the Tigers would wanna hope all these young blokes pan out really well or it's gonna be a lonnnngg time in the doldrums.

Ask Brisbane how it went trying to rebuild from the ground up with the introduction of expansion clubs.

With all due respect go back to my post #3456, where I revived the thread, discussing young players from both clubs.

Then have a look at about 10 Cats posters piling on mainly with the exact sort of thing you are complaining about. Only you don’t complain when they do it.

Almost 100 posts later, you are the only Geelong poster(from at least 10) who has even offered any semi serious commentary on Richmond’s rebuild, and I don’t think you actually mentioned a Richmond player by name in that post.

I will discuss any element of the topic as seriously as anyone wants to. Read all my posts, you will see that. If people want to banter or focus on tropes or negatives, happy to do that too. You guys decide. You are barking right up the wrong tree if you think I am the issue here.

Richmond’s “ground up” rebuild as you call it is not readily comparable to other major rebuilds. For a start, we already had high value players 25 & younger like Balta, Gibcus, and we can now see Campbell, Brown on our list, plus some fairly decent looking players a level down like Banks, Mansell and plenty of other decent prospects on our list before last years draft where we took 7 of the top 28 picks. No other established club has taken so many high picks in one draft. Let alone in a draft that looks like an all-timer for depth just from the players we have seen already. The club took about 6 years worth of talent in one draft. If you look at North’s rebuild for eg, imagine if they were able to take their last 7 high end picks at the same time they took the first of those. They would be a lot further advanced than they are now. Then imagine all those gun prospects were playing and training their formative years with a host of multiple flag players to guide them…

If the Tiger rebuild fails to bear fruit it won’t be for the same reasons that have made other rebuilds founder. And we have about 3 more top 5 picks and probably a number of high value free agents to come yet, as well as favourable msd picks etc for the next couple of years. All this will be done and dusted by the time Tasmania are impacting the draft. Richmond will be trading talent out by then.

 

[MisterMarcus]

You keep shifting the narrative: are you 58 years old, or 70? What were those 60s games like?

He cannot possibly be older than 18 surely.

He posts like someone who writes "SATAN WILL FEAR ME. EDGELORD 2007" on his forehead in sharpie.