Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

[Kurve]

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[craffles]

They had the phone already. The footage of finding the phone was the most staged thing you could ever see.

 

[CD Xbow]

POS in court over driving offences.

Man accused of Samantha Murphy's murder admits to driving offences

www.9news.com.au

 

[mrskafoops]

Samantha Murphy: Man accused of Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy's murder admits driving offences

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Samantha Murphy: Man accused of Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy's murder admits driving offences

I wish they would stop saying “The son of ex-AFL footballer Orren Stephenson…” The vast majority of footy followers, never mind the wider population, have never heard of Orren Stephenson.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

POS in court over driving offences.

Man accused of Samantha Murphy's murder admits to driving offences

www.9news.com.au

Is he the 1st ever convicted drug driver
Teapot a storm in

 

[Lady O]

Is he the 1st ever convicted drug driver
Teapot a storm in

Maybe his defence is making this information available to the media in order to demonstrate the level of his substance abuse?

 

[thumbs_up]

Maybe his defence is making this information available to the media in order to demonstrate the level of his substance abuse?

This serves the prosecution more than the defence IMO. Denonstrates a pattern of antisocial behaviour

 

[Lady O]

This serves the prosecution more than the defence IMO. Denonstrates a pattern of antisocial behaviour

Maybe. I know that alcohol or drug intoxication is no longer a defence, but it can still be a reason if not an excuse for his behaviour.

 

[Kurve]

This serves the prosecution more than the defence IMO. Denonstrates a pattern of antisocial behaviour

It does but his guilty plea also shows he's prepared to admit it, the defence may use it.

 

[shorsky]

Samantha Murphy: Man accused of Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy's murder admits driving offences

And we hear ‘Stephenson's parents, siblings and long-term partner supported him and were in regular contact with him while he is on remand’

 

[thumbs_up]

And we hear ‘Stephenson's parents, siblings and long-term partner supported him and were in regular contact with him while he is on remand’

That's interesting. There was speculation previously on here that his family had cut ties with him

 

[GrayRanga]

It does but his guilty plea also shows he's prepared to admit it, the defence may use it.

Well, as this offence occured before the alleged murder and he has pleaded guilty this offence has entered the Court record, this may be used by either the prosecution or the defence may use it as they seem fit as long as the presiding Judge allows it.

Depends on what narrative the Defence is running

If they are using a "he wasn't there and the evidence is totally circumstantial", this may never be mentioned in the trial at all.

The prosecution may never mention it all if they are going for Murder rather than Manslaughter or Negligently causing death or similar

 

[shorsky]

Well, as this offence occured before the alleged murder and he has pleaded guilty this offence has entered the Court record, this may be used by either the prosecution or the defence may use it as they seem fit as long as the presiding Judge allows it.

Depends on what narrative the Defence is running

If they are using a "he wasn't there and the evidence is totally circumstantial", this may never be mentioned in the trial at all.

The prosecution may never mention it all if they are going for Murder rather than Manslaughter or Negligently causing death or similar

He was charged with Murder & at the time of that charge Police were adamant that POS had deliberately conducted activity that he knew would / had the potential to cause Samantha’s death ( that’s a Murder charge) and they announced publicly that they had all the evidence necessary to substantiate that charge.

Since then, according to court submissions, we’ve heard that there is an unprecedented amount of information supporting their claim - so much information that the court had to allow additional time for his collation and consideration.

So - unless there’s a dramatic shift in POS’s attitude which leads to some sort of plea bargain between now and his next appearance in mid-Feb, I’m pretty sure that the Prosecutor will have no interest in any lesser charge such as Manslaughter or Negligently causing death etc.

POS is going to Trial on a Murder Charge, for which he’s pled Not Guilty.

If nothing else, that plea allows him to enjoy the blissful support of his family & girlfriend in their (perhaps ignorance) of his alleged guilt; it also allows him to continue his modus operandi of providing no assistance with the location of her body. … makes sense …. how would he know where her body is when he wasn’t involved ???

I’m struggling to think what the Defence angle will be ….. intoxication, drugs etc are no defence to a murder charge, he was capable of employment (since his bike accident) in a highly responsible position of messing around with electricity, so I can’t see ‘mental impairment’ being worth the time it takes to say it!

Back Story:

He supposedly went out on the town on Sat night 3rd Feb after his elderly relative’s birthday party - imo totally normal behaviour for young people.
He supposedly left his car at that relative’s place when he went out - sensible decision
He supposedly picked his car up at around 6am on 4th Feb. …

And here I have questions . ..
* did he walk to the relative’s place to get his car or did someone drop him off
* was he awake all night or did he sleep somewhere before picking his car up
* was he on his own or was someone with him when he picked his car up
* why did he need to collect his car so early on a Sunday morning, after a big night out ( most people expect young people to sleep til midday!)

I don’t know Ballarat, and I don’t understand the proximity of the City party precinct nor the suburbs & the various locations relative to each other. …. perhaps someone can help ..
* does anyone know where the party was
* what direction would POS go from there to either his parents place, his house-sit place or his gf’s parents place after collecting his car
* OR did he have somewhere else he had to go / be just after 6am that Sunday morning
* Gf’s father supposedly said he found POS asleep on their couch around 9am the morning of 4th Feb
** Police indicated that SM was killed around 8am
* what did POS do between 6am > 8am > 9am
* were Gf & POS not house-sitting at that stage ( I think their house-sit place was close to her parents. Perhaps parents have the place with the horses she was tending)
OR did Gf stay at her parents place that night, so he headed there that morning.

As I said, lots of questions, those will do for now

 

[croweater 41]

I don’t know Ballarat, and I don’t understand the proximity of the City party precinct nor the suburbs & the various locations relative to each other. …. perhaps someone can help ..
* does anyone know where the party was
* what direction would POS go from there to either his parents place, his house-sit place or his gf’s parents place after collecting his car
* OR did he have somewhere else he had to go / be just after 6am that Sunday morning
* Gf’s father supposedly said he found POS asleep on their couch around 9am the morning of 4th Feb
** Police indicated that SM was killed around 8am
* what did POS do between 6am > 8am > 9am
* were Gf & POS not house-sitting at that stage ( I think their house-sit place was close to her parents. Perhaps parents have the place with the horses she was tending)
OR did Gf stay at her parents place that night, so he headed there that morning.

As I said, lots of questions, those will do for now

First couple of points I'll try and help out with:
From the city centre (night club area) to Midvale (small shopping complex given we don't have exact addresses to my knowledge of where exactly he was) in Mt Clear is approx 6km. Many a Uni student (myself included) have attempted the walk from city to uni (a little further down the road) so I don't think it would be out of the realms of possibility that he may have left the city area at 3/4am and walked out potentially with a group of friends. My guess though would likely be a taxi/uber back there.

South should have been the direction he was travelling back towards Geelong. However as that's a main road and as you said getting his car at 6am after a large night there are plenty of back dirt roads to get from a to b in this situation which is again potentially where he has crossed paths with SM. Going from Recreation Road Mt Clear to Yankee Flat Road then out to the house he was sitting at Scotsburn area would be the way I'd go if I was trying to avoid seeing anyone if I was unsure of BAC at time of driving.

 

[Anzacpaul]

I wish they would stop saying “The son of ex-AFL footballer Orren Stephenson…” The vast majority of footy followers, never mind the wider population, have never heard of Orren Stephenson.

Retired Great ex-AFL Superstar you mean

 

[mrskafoops]

He was charged with Murder & at the time of that charge Police were adamant that POS had deliberately conducted activity that he knew would / had the potential to cause Samantha’s death ( that’s a Murder charge) and they announced publicly that they had all the evidence necessary to substantiate that charge.

Since then, according to court submissions, we’ve heard that there is an unprecedented amount of information supporting their claim - so much information that the court had to allow additional time for his collation and consideration.

So - unless there’s a dramatic shift in POS’s attitude which leads to some sort of plea bargain between now and his next appearance in mid-Feb, I’m pretty sure that the Prosecutor will have no interest in any lesser charge such as Manslaughter or Negligently causing death etc.

POS is going to Trial on a Murder Charge, for which he’s pled Not Guilty.

If nothing else, that plea allows him to enjoy the blissful support of his family & girlfriend in their (perhaps ignorance) of his alleged guilt; it also allows him to continue his modus operandi of providing no assistance with the location of her body. … makes sense …. how would he know where her body is when he wasn’t involved ???

I’m struggling to think what the Defence angle will be ….. intoxication, drugs etc are no defence to a murder charge, he was capable of employment (since his bike accident) in a highly responsible position of messing around with electricity, so I can’t see ‘mental impairment’ being worth the time it takes to say it!

Back Story:

He supposedly went out on the town on Sat night 3rd Feb after his elderly relative’s birthday party - imo totally normal behaviour for young people.
He supposedly left his car at that relative’s place when he went out - sensible decision
He supposedly picked his car up at around 6am on 4th Feb. …

And here I have questions . ..
* did he walk to the relative’s place to get his car or did someone drop him off
* was he awake all night or did he sleep somewhere before picking his car up
* was he on his own or was someone with him when he picked his car up
* why did he need to collect his car so early on a Sunday morning, after a big night out ( most people expect young people to sleep til midday!)

I don’t know Ballarat, and I don’t understand the proximity of the City party precinct nor the suburbs & the various locations relative to each other. …. perhaps someone can help ..
* does anyone know where the party was
* what direction would POS go from there to either his parents place, his house-sit place or his gf’s parents place after collecting his car
* OR did he have somewhere else he had to go / be just after 6am that Sunday morning
* Gf’s father supposedly said he found POS asleep on their couch around 9am the morning of 4th Feb
** Police indicated that SM was killed around 8am
* what did POS do between 6am > 8am > 9am
* were Gf & POS not house-sitting at that stage ( I think their house-sit place was close to her parents. Perhaps parents have the place with the horses she was tending)
OR did Gf stay at her parents place that night, so he headed there that morning.

As I said, lots of questions, those will do for now

Between 8 and 9 is a tight window to kill someone, move them and fall asleep on a couch.