Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Royces Hart]

With injuries that severe and recent, it does seem like disposing of a body by himself would have been a Herculean task. I’d always wondered if he’d had assistance in the cover up.

 

[Kurve]

With injuries that severe and recent, it does seem like disposing of a body by himself would have been a Herculean task. I’d always wondered if he’d had assistance in the cover up.

Care really needs to be taken with a fractured vertebrae but the broken pelvis is a biggie. one of the things among a pretty big list that should be avoided, is weight bearing activities.

Can take up to a year to heal.

 

[31550]

So he's had four months from those injuries to when he supposedly abducted and murdered SM

Has abduction been alleged? I thought only murder.

 

[Edna Mode]

Care really needs to be taken with a fractured vertebrae but the broken pelvis is a biggie. one of the things among a pretty big list that should be avoided, is weight bearing activities.

Can take up to a year to heal.

Exactly and you would be very conscious of it, not to do anything silly

 

[Edna Mode]

Has abduction been alleged? I thought only murder.

Nothing mentioned of charges of abduction I can see anywhere, you could also be charged with abduction if the circumstances of the killing involved taking the victim against their will before the murder. But nothing really from the police

 

[31550]

Care really needs to be taken with a fractured vertebrae but the broken pelvis is a biggie. one of the things among a pretty big list that should be avoided, is weight bearing activities.

Can take up to a year to heal.

Then you would think this is unlikely to be part of the prosecution's case, and an expert witness on crash reconstruction would be more beneficial to the defence than to the prosecution???

 

[Kurve]

Then you would think this is unlikely to be part of the prosecution's case, and an expert witness on crash reconstruction would be more beneficial to the defence than to the prosecution???

I haven't caught up properly yet but did I read of evidentiary DNA? If so, do we know where they found it?

Perhaps somewhere near the bonnet of his car? And in the rear?

 

[mrskafoops]

They say 'road reconstructionist'.
Is this a guy who knows how to make roads and if so, what is the relevance?

A road accident reconstructionist is an expert at explaining how road accidents occurred. However they don't use that term

Are they suggesting Samantha was involved in a road 'accident' or not?

The standard of media reporting is appalling.

Its paywalled... can someone please post the article?

 

[mrskafoops]

They say 'road reconstructionist'.
Is this a guy who knows how to make roads and if so, what is the relevance?

A road accident reconstructionist is an expert at explaining how road accidents occurred. However they don't use that term

Are they suggesting Samantha was involved in a road 'accident' or not?

The standard of media reporting is appalling.

"The standard of media reporting is appalling." - it certainly has tanked. At least they are still using punctuation haha

 

[Run n Spread]

Many things here. Appears going for the car angle due to the road reconstruction.
Now a few issues. There will be no DNA on the outside imo. Wasn't he under surveillance 2 weeks later than a warrant executed. Given exposure to elements that would render a sample useless.
So must be proof her body was in the car. But there is no body and no actual proof how she has died. Phone records may show they were both in the vicinity at the time but that is not proof.
Reckon what's happened is he has blabbed to someone or someone helped and that's why the cops were alerted to him and the phone staging to get him to talk or someone else. Still seems like a long shot to prove.

 

[Run n Spread]

An article mentioned a conference next.
So a sentence indication or plea to lesser charges perhaps.
This is an extreme game of chicken. If a manslaughter plea for example he will have to reveal location.
Does that and he admits he was involved and loses all leverage. Stays silent and police still have to prove but will go all in for murder. When if they have evidence may prove culpable driving.
Still have to wait and I wonder exactly what they have. Appears going for hit run car angle but they didn't take the car initially. Must have something else.

 

[FrankGrimes]

Many things here. Appears going for the car angle due to the road reconstruction.
Now a few issues. There will be no DNA on the outside imo. Wasn't he under surveillance 2 weeks later than a warrant executed. Given exposure to elements that would render a sample useless.
So must be proof her body was in the car. But there is no body and no actual proof how she has died. Phone records may show they were both in the vicinity at the time but that is not proof.
Reckon what's happened is he has blabbed to someone or someone helped and that's why the cops were alerted to him and the phone staging to get him to talk or someone else. Still seems like a long shot to prove.

maybe they got DNA before they started watching him, they may have hoped he would lead them to the body?
going to be interesting trial..

 

[Run n Spread]

maybe they got DNA before they started watching him, they may have hoped he would lead them to the body?
going to be interesting trial..

Possible. But when. She was declared missing. Homicide involved a few days later. That would degrade any sample on the outside. Or if he went to a panel beater again no usable sample due to contamination.
Could be a bloodstain or hair inside I guess. That would last longer.
Although what triggered the police to him in the first place?????
As well as the phone expert the reconstruction expert would need a DNA expert.
If there is no DNA how do you prove Sm died via a vehicle???? Not to mention the time needed to.move her body.
8 witnesses suggest to be he has said something to someone who has spread the news. Thus questioning them all as to what is heresy?
This is now even more confusing and strange imo

 

[Kurve]

Its paywalled... can someone please post the article?

Copyright applies. We can post a link and maybe one or two paragraphs, not the whole thing.

The rest can be paraphrased.

 

[FrankGrimes]

Possible. But when. She was declared missing. Homicide involved a few days later. That would degrade any sample on the outside. Or if he went to a panel beater again no usable sample due to contamination.
Could be a bloodstain or hair inside I guess. That would last longer.
Although what triggered the police to him in the first place?????
As well as the phone expert the reconstruction expert would need a DNA expert.
If there is no DNA how do you prove Sm died via a vehicle???? Not to mention the time needed to.move her body.
8 witnesses suggest to be he has said something to someone who has spread the news. Thus questioning them all as to what is heresy?
This is now even more confusing and strange imo

yeah im just spitballing, no body going to make very tough for conviction unless he has blabbed? who knows what the watch/phone say also...

 

[Zidane98]

Possible. But when. She was declared missing. Homicide involved a few days later. That would degrade any sample on the outside. Or if he went to a panel beater again no usable sample due to contamination.
Could be a bloodstain or hair inside I guess. That would last longer.
Although what triggered the police to him in the first place?????
As well as the phone expert the reconstruction expert would need a DNA expert.
If there is no DNA how do you prove Sm died via a vehicle???? Not to mention the time needed to.move her body.
8 witnesses suggest to be he has said something to someone who has spread the news. Thus questioning them all as to what is heresy?
This is now even more confusing and strange imo

I remember there being reports of the coppers troving mobile metadata which would have been a long process considering the amount of devices in the area.

That's how I always believed they got on to him. Any other method would have seen them get on to him quicker.

 

[Lady O]

You're still not getting my point. The circumstances of his previous accident remain irrelevant to establishing guilt or innocence.

Thus my comment that SM could have somehow been 'involved' in his accident, even as an innocent person who stepped off the footpath into the path of his motorbike and the accident was (in his mind at least) caused by her.

 

[31550]

"The standard of media reporting is appalling." - it certainly has tanked. At least they are still using punctuation haha

Sometimes correctly too.

 

[31550]

Thus my comment that SM could have somehow been 'involved' in his accident, even as an innocent person who stepped off the footpath into the path of his motorbike and the accident was (in his mind at least) caused by her.

Ok I get it now. Certainly not the wildest theory ever floated here.

 

[Zidane98]

DNA evidence, if found, of SM on or inside of POS vehicle would be pretty incriminating.

 

[Run n Spread]

DNA evidence, if found, of SM on or inside of POS vehicle would be pretty incriminating.

Yep. Especially if blood or something.
Say it's random.
I saw a jogger struggling in the heat. Offered her a drink and she sat in the seat for 5 mins. No idea what happened to her after.
So then it links in with what he did say (if anything) in an interview. Never saw her or know her = well what's the DNA doing?
If he said no comment right from the start the defence can punch any holes they like in the case.

I remember there being reports of the coppers troving mobile metadata which would have been a long process considering the amount of devices in the area.

That's how I always believed they got on to him. Any other method would have seen them get on to him quicker.

Also if they continued tracking the phone and what he did rest of the day.
Also has it been established an in law saw him on the couch at 11? Makes things even more foggy.

yeah im just spitballing, no body going to make very tough for conviction unless he has blabbed? who knows what the watch/phone say also...

Yeah I reckon his blabbed or sought help from somewhere. Talk has spread and so.eone dobbed him in

 

[Awakening]

A broken pelvis and fractured vertebrae would take time but he'd also be real cautious about the way he moved for a while.

I broke a few ribs, ruptured spleen and punctured a lung, metal went through my leg, transfusions etc but I was only in hospital for about 7/8 days, he was in longer.

Yes but I believe you are a woman and it’s a well known fact that women are tougher.

 

[Awakening]

I imagine the road accident expert for the defence (?) might argue it was obviously an accident.

But the prosecution might argue that POS wanted to murder someone and when he saw SM, decided to use his car as a weapon and deliberately run her over. They’d be looking at acceleration, no use of brakes and whether he hit her once or repeatedly (cctv maybe, otherwise without a body not sure how they’d know).

 

[Zidane98]

I imagine the road accident expert for the defence (?) might argue it was obviously an accident.

But the prosecution might argue that POS wanted to murder someone and when he saw SM, decided to use his car as a weapon and deliberately run her over. They’d be looking at acceleration, no use of brakes and whether he hit her once or repeatedly (cctv maybe, otherwise without a body not sure how they’d know).

This allegedly happened out in the bush didn't it?


The reports of cameras are for trail cameras which do not take video. They only take images of vehicles leaving / entering the area.


Without a witness I don't see how they could ever prove that SM was run down deliberately.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

This allegedly happened out in the bush didn't it?


The reports of cameras are for trail cameras which do not take video. They only take images of vehicles leaving / entering the area.


Without a witness I don't see how they could ever prove that SM was run down deliberately.

Some of parks Victoria cameras do take video for 10 seconds at a time.
They are movement instigated