Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

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Lachie Young

Age

25

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189cm

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81kg

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6.4

3star

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4.1

3star

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3.3

3star

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1.8

4star

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220.3

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9.0

2star

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5.5

2star

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3.5

2star

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1.0

1star

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2.0

3star

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210.0

3star

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11.2

3star

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6.2

3star

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5.0

4star

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3.8

4star

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1.8

4star

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219.6

4star

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Allegedly

 

[ep2018]

He looks like a nice, clean cut kid imo. I know someone like that though, good looking, clean cut, no visible tattoos, stripped down to his jocks and you can see he's got a quarter sleeve and just above the knee suit, fully tattoo'd, all filled in, front and back. Very aggressive. Looks can be deceiving.

There was an early season CSI episode about a entitled bloke (lawyer I believe) who accidentally hit another man with his car after a boozy evening and chose to let the victim die as opposed to calling for paramedics because he was worried how it would affect his current entitled life. And I cant stop thinking about it when I first learned about Patrick and then saw what he looked like. I do not get murderous psychopath or sexual predator vibes from him at all, just a selfish loser who thought more about himself than a person he may or may not have seriously injured with his vehicle coming home from a bender.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Ok I’m not being difficult but still not understanding how they could monitor her heart rate and know she’s in a moving car but not where she is.

Because maybe that data from her watch/phone automatically uploads/sends to another device/cloud/app/laptop, etc at the time & police accessed it & could see that info with the times, heart rate, blood pressure, steps, etc. But once the watch/phone was destroyed &/or the person whose info it was monitoring is no longer active, that info is obviously no longer being sent anywhere. And if it could provide info on where she was, that could be why they are so clear when & where she died... they've said it was on that day & in that area where she went for a run. And maybe after that, they got nothing more from her watch/phone.

I'm sure someone with more tech knowledge can explain this better than I just have...

Have the police said they knew she was in a moving car via her watch/phone? Maybe they've linked the GPS data from her watch/phone being in exactly the same vicinity as his at exactly the same time.. ?

 

[moncon]

Here's my take: he went out on Saturday night hoping to get laid, it didn't happen, he got off his face and the anger and resentment built up as he was sneaking home on the back roads to avoid the cops, and he took out all his rage on the first woman he saw. "Women are all bitches! There's one now!".

 

[Kurve]

Here's my take: he went out on Saturday night hoping to get laid, it didn't happen, he got off his face and the anger and resentment built up as he was sneaking home on the back roads to avoid the cops, and he took out all his rage on the first woman he saw. "Women are all bitches! There's one now!".

He's got a girlfriend.

 

[Longmembrey]

Let him go for it, save a hell of a lot of taxes.

Would it

 

[moncon]

He's got a girlfriend.

Yeah I know, but sometimes for some people that doesn't mean much.

 

[maskmcgee]

He's got a girlfriend.

He could of got her after the murder

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Correct. If it was a hit and run she would have found on the side of the road pretty quickly.

Even if he’d used the car as a weapon (as was allegedly the case in another case currently before the courts) - “bloody joggers in the way, get off the road!” - BANG! - there would be at least superficial damage to the car and recoverable DNA on it. It’s been impounded anyway as it was likely to have been used to transport her from the scene.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

It’s vague but being fair, if it involved clashes with the law they might be deliberately refraining from saying more.

Earlier they said he’d never been in trouble with the law before.

 

[mrskafoops]

I think the car aspect is so prominent because the police mentioned a damaged car & asked the public to notify them if they recall seeing a damaged car in the area around those times.

The media keep asking about it in the pressers too, and I'd assume they know or have heard a little more about the investigation than they have (or allowed to) revealed publicly.

I don't agree with the sexual crimes aspect of your comment at all on so many levels. Women of all demographics are victims of sexual assault. Recent ones which come to mind occurred in aged care facilities, as an example.

The damage may not mean the car was involved in what happened to Sam, the police may have just used that aspect of the car’s description to try trigger memories. Perhaps someone saw a car with a dented rear door or crushed bumper and told police they saw a damaged car in the area. I think that aspect of the cars description would be reliable. People’s memory as far as car make or colour is more unreliable. Doesn’t mean that the car was damaged on that particular day or time. For all we know he could have just seen her, parked, chased her down and done something to her - a deliberate attack. He could have been angry about something and wanted to take it out on someone. IF this is his first offence it’s a blessing he’s been caught. I cannot imagine how someone like this would escalate. From what I can gather he is only experiencing mental health issues from being charged - not from committing the offence. The only remorse he seems to be showing is that he’s been caught.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

The damage may not mean the car was involved in what happened to Sam, the police may have just used that aspect of the car’s description to try trigger memories. Perhaps someone saw a car with a dented rear door or crushed bumper and told police they saw a damaged car in the area. I think that aspect of the cars description would be reliable. People’s memory as far as car make or colour is more unreliable. Doesn’t mean that the car was damaged on that particular day or time. For all we know he could have just seen her, parked, chased her down and done something to her - a deliberate attack. He could have been angry about something and wanted to take it out on someone. IF this is his first offence it’s a blessing he’s been caught. I cannot imagine how someone like this would escalate. From what I can gather he is only experiencing mental health issues from being charged - not from committing the offence. The only remorse he seems to be showing is that he’s been caught.

Who knows, all possible. My comment was just trying to explain why a car keeps being mentioned by police & the media.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Earlier they said he’d never been in trouble with the law before.

Not aware they’ve ever said that. Have you got a link?

His lawyer said it was his first time in custody but you can do quite a bit, particularly as a juvenile, without ending up in custody.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Ballarat isn't that small. I grew up and went to school there and certainly didn't know everyone my age, there's a gazillion different schools.

It’s phrased oddly but this article suggests that Stephenson and the daughter that is the same age might both have gone to St Francis Xavier Primary (says Jess was ‘part of the school community’).

The missing link between Samantha Murphy and Patrick Stephenson

Doesn’t mean they particularly knew each other or anything but you’d have to think they’d have an idea of who the other was or have mutual acquaintances.

 

[Unit45]

Going to assume the Police have established Mt Clear phone data as reported, what hasnt been released is if his phone was then turned off and where and how long the next phone data came into play. With if able to discovery of any contact he had made with other/s.

 

[Tomford]

Road rage, neither backed down and we know the end result.

 

[MiguelM]

Going to assume the Police have established Mt Clear phone data as reported, what hasnt been released is if his phone was then turned off and where and how long the next phone data came into play. With if able to discovery of any contact he had made with other/s.

The police clearly had the phone data for weeks and had been watching him until arrest. Maybe he slipped up?

Reading between the lines of the presser there was an emphasis on information from the public. Will be interesting to see if anyone reported any suspicious behaviour, even from the girlfriend.

 

[Tony Harrison]

Road rage, neither backed down and we know the end result.

Road rage at a runner in the country early morning?

 

[No Quarter]

I'm surprised at some of the information that gets released, ie cell phone tower stuff.

One things for clear, Ristevski, this one... all it does it tell would be murderers to make sure they leave their phones at home

 

[Anja_Nees]

I'm surprised at some of the information that gets released, ie cell phone tower stuff.

One things for clear, Ristevski, this one... all it does it tell would be murderers to make sure they leave their phones at home

A mate and I used to joke that ‘they always get them with the SIM card’ in about 2014 because of how many murderers got done by phone data even back then.

I suppose most people have their phones on them, so if it’s an opportunistic crime both the victim and murderer will have their phones with them.

 

[Anzacpaul]

From today's papers:

The night before Samantha Murphy failed to appear for brunch and her worried family alerted police that she might be missing, her accused killer was out on the town with friends at a pub in central Ballarat.

Patrick Stephenson, 22, who detectives believe took Murphy's life and attempted to conceal the alleged murder for more than a month, was seen enjoying a night out, moving from bar to bar with friends.

A witness who had been approached by police, but asked not to be identified to protect his business, said investigators have been visiting venues in the Ballarat CBD to collect footage of Stephenson on that Saturday night.

 

[Lady O]

Sounds like a nice family. I feel sorry or them as well.

Orren's family affair

Orren Stephenson had three kids by the time he was 20, now he's reveling in sharing his AFL revival with those closest to him

www.afl.com.au

 

[Unit45]

A question might be hes gone out on the juice the night before, at what point does he decide he has to get in and drive a vehicle?

What reason was this for? , likely he been questioned along those lines. Did he bring the car along from the start or went back to a premises then decided to go somewhere else. 3am til 7am is 4 hours.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I reckon he’s told somebody (even multiple people) and they’ve gone to the police.

A secret can be an incredibly heavy weight, particularly something like this. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s convinced himself that he can tell somebody close and has done. Then they have gone to the cops.

Whatever happened, the cops seem sure that they know exactly what is was. He hasn’t told them, the victim couldn’t tell them, so somebody else has.

They’ve then got search warrants and found evidence which backs up the case.

If they establish he was in the area at the time (phone data), have a witness who recounts a confession with details, and there’s other evidence that backs it up… it’s an open and shut case. He’ll be convicted, if he chooses to remain silent it’ll probably only be worse for him.

 

[31550]

Ping data when released might help confirm this, but is it possible the offender drove into the forest to sleep it off, parking near Samantha's usual turnaround/halfway point at around 4am? Perhaps she saw him or the vehicle at 8am, went to investigate, and an altercation ensued, leading to her demise? The ping data would show the offender stationary for some time at the same point where Samantha's phone/watch stopped moving, then perhaps one or both devices were switched off or moved together for some time (when the offender drove off, possibly with Samantha in his vehicle).

This may also account for the 5pm Sunday Buninyong tower ping which was originally reported, but seems to have now been forgotten or discarded. Note that Buninyong is directly between the alleged incident location and the offender's residence in Scottsdale.

 

[FrankGrimes]

I reckon he’s told somebody (even multiple people) and they’ve gone to the police.

A secret can be an incredibly heavy weight, particularly something like this. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s convinced himself that he can tell somebody close and has done. Then they have gone to the cops.

Whatever happened, the cops seem sure that they know exactly what is was. He hasn’t told them, the victim couldn’t tell them, so somebody else has.

They’ve then got search warrants and found evidence which backs up the case.

If they establish he was in the area at the time (phone data), have a witness who recounts a confession with details, and there’s other evidence that backs it up… it’s an open and shut case. He’ll be convicted, if he chooses to remain silent it’ll probably only be worse for him.

That’s what im leaning towards also, police seem confident imo, one witness doesn’t make a case but they have been onto him for weeks it was stated, car forensics will be crucial if there is any dna there