Lumumba threatens to sue

[GROTTO]

Twist in Lumumba saga as chimp nicknamed exposed in old afl record. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/h...d/news-story/a0bad2c3e347c396008be1e422404c74 https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/he...d/news-story/52d8a0814d633edfbae757be4c99b11cView attachment 1055185t

Thats pretty damning to be honest.

I am surprised it took this long to surface.

 

[00Stinger]

ha ha. No
Look I’m not on Harry’s (or anyone’s) side. Just don’t see how this footy record interview has any relevance whatsoever

Agree.

Doesn't help his case either

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[Rad Roo]

When someone asked if he could be any person he wanted, did he reply with "Hitler"?

A bit off the topic but Hitler Mussolini was a real person's name.......post WW2.

 

[Roby]

Thats pretty damning to be honest.

I am surprised it took this long to surface.

Pretty damning they pretend like it wasn't said, particularly Buckley.

 

[Gavin Excell]

To confirm has HL lodged proceedings against Collingwood or just threatening to do so?

 

[Rad Roo]

Obrien's issue is just a small drop in the ocean, the real racism issue from collingwood comes from the public image of a lack of understanding and sensitivity. Just look at the comments on this board is ample enough evidence of the racism pandemic in australia. Eddie maguire's response would never happened in uk and usa unless it's for far right populist incitement purposes. Maguire's response was a honest response which revealed how big the real problem is. Many on this board are still downplaying and that's the main issue. Why are there people trying to downplay the racism issue? Why are people not willing to accept australia has a very big racism issue. The clearest indication is the lack of ability to admit there is a problem.

 

[theyellowsash]

So why is calling someone fat all good and calling someone something racist not? You say there is a massive difference, but why? Who makes that arbitrary call?

Fat shaming people has been linked to depression and increased suicidality rates among the victims. Why is one ok and not the other again? Seems rather hypocritical to me.

Why don't you test this theory for us. Go find Anthony Mundine and call him fat. Then call him a monkey. Report to us the difference in his reaction.

Anyone who equates being called fat to hundreds or thousands of years of racial oppression is not worth listening to.

 

[Rad Roo]

To confirm has HL lodged proceedings against Collingwood or just threatening to do so?

Don't think obrien's case will go too far but it will open the floodgate to the mass litigation and class actions that will follow. AFL has it's hands forced because if afl tries to help cfc to sweep this under the carpet like in the past by not voicing any concerns, it runs the risk of attracting getting sued themselves. AFL does have to help cfc as its one of the big 4, if the said club was north melbourne, then no problem to ditch us but it's collingwood but i still feel they will throw the pies under the bus to save themselves. Collingwood is on their own. The only way to solve this is to splurge cash allround to buy some time.

 

[GROTTO]

I havent visited the Pies board yet, what is generally the feeling amongst their supporters? Denial?

 

[GROTTO]

If Lumumba sues it will be interesting as to how much he will get? Surely the Pies will try and settle this out of court?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Don't think obrien's case will go too far but it will open the floodgate to the mass litigation and class actions that will follow. AFL has it's hands forced because if afl tries to help cfc to sweep this under the carpet like in the past by not voicing any concerns, it runs the risk of attracting getting sued themselves. AFL does have to help cfc as its one of the big 4, if the said club was north melbourne, then no problem to ditch us but it's collingwood but i still feel they will throw the pies under the bus to save themselves. Collingwood is on their own. The only way to solve this is to splurge cash allround to buy some time.

Reckon 99% of those who “threaten” to sue, never do

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Sue for what, he has been offended nothing more nothing less.

 

[Rad Roo]

Reckon 99% of those who “threaten” to sue, never do

with the lumumba issue, if this was 10 years ago, the public response would be 'another one of those who wants attention and money and play the race card', goodes for instance had far more on air/camera racist response than lumumber ever got, eddie even called him king kong. But this is the BLM era, even aus is under in the crosschair.

 

[btdg]

This Comment posted on our board copied from the pies board is interesting.

"If people actually fully discect Lambumba comments over the last 12 months you will see the following

1.Lambumba wanted nothing to do with the collingwood inquiry in to racism as he was 100 percent sure it would not be credable.
2. All of a sudden lumbumba cant stop mentioning Collingwoods racism report enquiry. Seems to be a big fan.
3.Lambumba seems to have no problem in sheltering and looking after his mates from this racism enquiry. the people that he likes.
4. According to him Malthouse had no idea what was going on, due to the way he managed and distanted himself from the players.
5.Give me a break Heretier! Malthouse a coach/man manager for 25 years one of the best ever didnt know what was going on at his own back yard? were are the piss weak reporters talking him to task about that statement.
6. Seem most of his 2010 premieship players buddies have political immunity from Heretier when it comes to racist comnents, yet he stated he was called names from day 1 at collingwood

This post might be fully correct, and yet I think it highlights a really significant problem in the way people are viewing this, particularly with regards to Heritier Lumumba. There's this tendency to look for some sort of 'Gotcha' moment that signifies that actually, there wasn't a problem, because Lumumba was a hypocrite or something.

The critical and damning issue at Collingwood is a report that highlights and identifies systemic racism present within the club. This is compounded by a President who has a history of racism in a public sphere. Lumumba is a public part of this, and clearly experienced racism whilst at Collingwood. Other players have testified to this. This, in itself is the major issue.

For Lumumba, it's complex - in fact, it is completely understandable to me that his positions are full of contradictions. Life just isn't that simple. Remember, his time at Collingwood represents that absolute pinnacle of his career - a premiership that he is no doubt proud of, and 10 years of highs and lows, ups and downs. He achieved major life goals, built strong friendships, overcame challenges, earnt a good salary, was revered by fans - it would have been an amazing time in his life.

And, he was subject to racism. This has been confirmed by numerous sources, including an independent inquiry.

That doesn't mean he curled up in a little ball the first time someone called him 'Chimp'. Nor does him not doing that indicate that he was totally ok with it either - it simply isn't that Black and White (sic). I don't know for sure (and I'm a white guy trying to empathise a bit), but I suspect...

- Some days when he was playing, the racism got to him - just a little bit. But... the dream, the excitement, the friendships. He sucked it up and moved on
- Some days/occasions, he hated the racism. But didn't feel confident, or just couldn't see a path to speaking up making a difference. Life isn't easy for black people who make a fuss
- Other days, he embraced the nickname 'Chimp' and the racism - tried to flip it around, show his pride. Particularly when he was walking tall after a big win - he celebrated being the Chimp, even if there was something in that which didn't really sit right
- Some of the people around him - he just cut them slack. Even though they were racist, he could see past that, find a way to live with it, for a time. I mean, black people experience racism frequently; they get used to just ignoring it. Most 'good blokes' have a flaw or two...

- The longer he played, as the dream lost its lustre, as his star began to wane, maybe he was a bit less willing to overlook things. Few players finish their careers on their own terms... maybe things happened that left a bad taste in his mouth, and that made the racism feel a bit worse, which caused a bit of a spiral in his mind
- Now that he's finished, has clear head-space and time to reflect... and as society changes, race and reconciliation become more prominent issues, he can look back and identify more and more things that weren't 'right'. Things he overlooked at the time, but that anger him more and more now. Who doesn't have a bit more perspective in their 30s than they did were they were 22? We know he grew and changed as a person - as he embraced his African name and heritage, learnt a bit more about history and society. No doubt he's grown more and more into that space.
- His premiership team-mates: almost certainly the worst offenders, and he probably gives them the biggest free pass for it. The random 19 year-old bloke who he got dropped for who called him 'Chimp' once, 10 years after the nickname started? Probably burns to this day. Yep, he's human. He lived the best moment of his life with those team-mates, and probably lives a bit of cognitive dissonance on that one. Because he is human, and the strength of that premiership bond might cause a bit of a blind spot. Mind you, if they throw him under the bus now (a la Swanny) that might change again. People change their perspectives over time, not always for the most fair or rational reasons.
- Same goes for Malthouse. You don't have to squint hard to see Malthouse as an out-of-touch curmedgeon who created the culture in the first place, turned a blind eye to it (and oh my god have a look at what he did to the Indigenous players at Carlton in his 3 years there...). On the other hand, Malthouse was a father figure and mentor, gave Lumumba his shot and built him to be the best he could be. Again, cognitive dissonance, and that's fine, beacuse he is human.
- Eddie - he's copping it hardest, because for good or bad, he made himself the face and figurehead of the club. And his responses to Lumumba haven't been empathetic, they've tried to steam-roll him. 'This is a proud day'? Seriously... think about how that comes across.

So yep: Lumumba might not be totally consistent. He might give a pass to some at Collingwood and not others. He might have changed his perspective over time. He's human.

But that doesn't change the racism he experienced - it was real, and it was wrong. There's a path to tread to reconciliation, and the Collingwood footy club and its fans need to have a good hard look at what that might be, rather than hoping for a 'Gotcha' moment that will make it all go away IMO

(and yes, I strongly suspect Carlton are equally as guilty, and an independent inquiry there would find similar. Again, look at what happened to Betts/Garlett/Yarran/Walker and ahost of less prominent indigenous players from 2013-15. Probably true, and equally deserving of investigation, but doesn't change Collingwood's outcome).

 

[TheKITC]

Why don't you test this theory for us. Go find Anthony Mundine and call him fat. Then call him a monkey. Report to us the difference in his reaction.

Anyone who equates being called fat to hundreds or thousands of years of racial oppression is not worth listening to.

What a stupid analogy. Should I do the reverse to a fat, white person? So, so dumb to even think that proves your point in anyway.

BTW, as I've already pointed out if you care to read more than two posts in this thread, I was putting that forward as a devil's advocate position to mirror how discussions like this normally go with the 'perpetually offended' types. As soon as something doesn't suit certain people's narrative, it's always dismissed as irrelevant or inconsequential but everything else is made out to be the worst thing ever as long as it suits. Lumumba is one of those.

I also see people like yourself, who I've noticed from the Transgender thread, like to pop in to generally virtue signal, but cannot sustain in depth discourse when their POV is questioned and generally resort to stomping their feet or out rightly ignoring responses they don't like. Funny about that...

Then of course you finish off with the classic attempt at discrediting. Pretty obvious who is "not worth listening to".

 

[n1ck]

"Héritier had played for Collingwood with all of his heart. Now his heart was breaking."

Héritier Lumumba and Sliding Doors - Sportscaster Media

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[Slartibartfast]

If Lumumba sues it will be interesting as to how much he will get? Surely the Pies will try and settle this out of court?

I thought he had commenced legal action last year.

 

[Chief]

Twist in Lumumba saga as chimp nicknamed exposed in old afl record. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/h...d/news-story/a0bad2c3e347c396008be1e422404c74 https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/he...d/news-story/52d8a0814d633edfbae757be4c99b11cView attachment 1055185t

Sam Newman has been Tweeting this all day.

 

[n1ck]

Sam would, the ignorant old hack that he is.

 

[Dan]

Obrien's issue is just a small drop in the ocean, the real racism issue from collingwood comes from the public image of a lack of understanding and sensitivity. Just look at the comments on this board is ample enough evidence of the racism pandemic in australia. Eddie maguire's response would never happened in uk and usa unless it's for far right populist incitement purposes. Maguire's response was a honest response which revealed how big the real problem is. Many on this board are still downplaying and that's the main issue. Why are there people trying to downplay the racism issue? Why are people not willing to accept australia has a very big racism issue. The clearest indication is the lack of ability to admit there is a problem.

Name a utopia where racism or anything heinous doesn't exist.

 

[Fire]

Name a utopia where racism or anything heinous doesn't exist.

Why? What point do you think you're making?

Just because a utopia doesn't exist, does not mean we can't make improvements. What a moronic statement.

Fwiw;
I dont think Australia has a noteworthy active racism issue. But I know that Australia has a passive racism issue. Using contemporary peers as a barometer.

 

[Dan]

Why? What point do you think you're making?

Just because a utopia doesn't exist, does not mean we can't make improvements. What a moronic statement.

Fwiw;
I dont think Australia has a noteworthy active racism issue. But I know that Australia has a passive racism issue. Using contemporary peers as a barometer.

A few peoples experience doesn’t paint the picture for the entire country. A country that’s largely multicultural and welcoming.

Its not perfect but nothing ever is.

 

[Fire]

Its not perfect but nothing ever is.

Not sure who's arguing against this sorry?

Its a non sequitur for you to use it as a justification to maintain the status quo tho.

 

[Masotiger]

Absolutely beyond me why people keep raising this as if it means anything or discredits him in any way.

Does hypocrisy mean anything to you?

 

[melbournemartin]

You mean the one where he said the Collingwood football club's values were congruent with his own? He was either lying then or he's lying now, or his own values lead him to supporting racist practices at the football club.

Weak argument. He's trying to be positive about the club, and hoping that an underlying desire for the club to do well can outweigh its racism.