Lumumba threatens to sue

[blackcat]

.

It’s not like Lumumba is some type of insufferable moron like Mundine.

I am sure HL was a nice guy and very popular in the club rooms at Lexus centre. No doubt he was (and may well be BFF's with Maxwell and Pendlebury in a decade)
He was wrong to throw Pendles and Buckley (and Eddie)under the bus. Racism is Saudi Arabia where Brown University and Yale University no doubt tolerate the rich income the progeny will provide, but make no mention of the slavery in ME, Africa, and Asia that still exists. Melbourne needs to be put in context. Eddie, Clubrooms, Kennett =/= racist and to allege so deprives the term of all meaning and relevance.

RacetrackRalphie's twitter extemporization is sound, he was at Caulfield Tech in 70s and 80s when young boorish students would carve swastikas in the wooden desks there , he saw racism first-hand... we need to put this d'affaire in relevance

 

[Sentinel]

View attachment 1053416

For a little more context of what he said at the time: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/milne-slur-no-issue-for-obrien-20120810-23zu5.html

Regardless, none of the above makes any racist comment against Lumumba excusable.

 

[NoobPie]

For a little more context of what he said at the time: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/milne-slur-no-issue-for-obrien-20120810-23zu5.html

Regardless, none of the above makes any racist comment against Lumumba excusable.

It doesn't.

It does however change the context substantially though if Lumumba was a very active part of milieu where homophobic, sexist and racist jokes were standard.

His period at Collingwood now is presented like 10 years of persecution which is completely ridiculous.

 

[blackcat]

For a little more context of what he said at the time: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/milne-slur-no-issue-for-obrien-20120810-23zu5.html

Regardless, none of the above makes any racist comment against Lumumba excusable.

this flirts with being disengenuous^ . I'd call it semantic shift/concept creep. i) I dislike the mores of EddieMcguire, was very clumsy and should have known better, but there were three others in studio with access to hitting the dump button and Darcy and producer (Molloy may have left or been on holiday, so why were not the.others equally liable for letting it go to air. McGuire is simply a marketeer, and that was poorly constructed conceit to sell a musical at.the Regent(Goodes). Re: Sam's b.l.a.c.k.f.a.c.e without defending it, the context is A.m.e.r.i.c.a.n and minstrels and it is disingenuous to not provide context. HeyHeyItsSaturday's RedFaces performance had half a dozen psychiatrists from Alfred Hospital of sub-continent(Indian) lineage perform in minstrel blackface. Canuck PM Trudeau never saw penalty.

This ^ is NOT apologia , it seeks to lend context , one should treat strangers with respect and manners and be aware of pictures and media creation but one also needs to treat other people with respect akin to all four members in the broadcast studio of Triple MMM Hot Breakfast, Ed, Darce, producer, if Molloy there, if Mieke there.

Race-baiting has become a mania because of Trump/Boris/Rockerfeller/Ford/OpenSocieties/NYTimes/TBL

mania and phenomenon did not come from a tabula rasa influence

 

[NoobPie]

This ^ is NOT apologia , it seeks to lend context ,

Good luck with that dude. You may as well join the United Patriots Front

 

[blackcat]

edited(temporary)

 

[Chief]

Re: Sam's b.l.a.c.k.f.a.c.e without defending it, the context is A.m.e.r.i.c.a.n and minstrels and it is disingenuous to not provide context. HeyHeyItsSaturday's RedFaces performance had half a dozen psychiatrists from Alfred Hospital of sub-continent(Indian) lineage perform in minstrel blackface. Canuck PM Trudeau never saw penalty.

I think with Newman, the intent was to insult based on skin colour. Whether it's American or not, that was the intent. "This is how you're different to us. You got uppity so I am hitting you back with your own black skin." So, **** him.

Red Faces putting blackface in front of an American with an extensive group of black colleagues and heroes and influences was just ignorant with no intention. Proper apologies and understanding followed. I don't really have any point of reference for Trudeau, but people compared his costume of a black fairytale character to GOP people who dressed up in a Klan/black victim tableau and shrugged, "hey sorry it was a different time, why aren't you ripping Trudeau this hard over it? Leftist hypocrisy!"

 

[TheKITC]

View attachment 1053416

Just to be clear; I think Lumumba is an opportunist, oft offended person who loves to play the victim card whenever he can. I've got very little time for him and his opinions.

Obviously racism is never ok, so if he faced that on any level through his career it's not acceptable. That goes without saying for the vast majority of people I think. It is however very hypocritical of him to portray that calling someone a "fat ****" is fine, but racial and homophobic slurs are never ok. He is essentially drawing the line where it 'benefits' him. By the oft offended standards (trying to stay away from left, right, identity politics convo etc) fat shaming is a huge no no.

Why is this ok but the others are not? Where is the arbitrary line?

 

[Chief]

It is however very hypocritical of him to portray that calling someone a "fat fu**" is fine, but racial and homophobic slurs are never ok.

Why is it?

 

[Shane Heard]

I think with Newman, the intent was to insult based on skin colour. Whether it's American or not, that was the intent. "This is how you're different to us. You got uppity so I am hitting you back with your own black skin." So, fu** him.

Red Faces putting blackface in front of an American with an extensive group of black colleagues and heroes and influences was just ignorant with no intention. Proper apologies and understanding followed. I don't really have any point of reference for Trudeau, but people compared his costume of a black fairytale character to GOP people who dressed up in a Klan/black victim tableau and shrugged, "hey sorry it was a different time, why aren't you ripping Trudeau this hard over it? Leftist hypocrisy!"

ahhh yes ..the Jackson Jive/Harry Connick Jnr moment

A total debacle. Nice one Dazza.

 

[Shannon M]

I think Lumumba lacks credibility there are a lot of inconsistencies and I think he has bigger problems going on with his head than what happened at Collingwood. I hope he gets the help the he needs to find closure in his life.

That being said, Eddie McGuire is a disgusting racist, oversaw the most racist club culture in Australian sport two decades, host of probably the most racist TV show for the last 25 years, countless racist, misogynistic, bigoted comments uttered on air over his long TV and radio career.

The dinosaur needs to go. And the spineless weasels like Dan Andrews and Gill that made excuses for him over the last week are just as bad and perpetuating this racist culture that exists at Collingwood and the AFL.

 

[melbournemartin]

He seems to have serious issues starting when a little kid so hopefully he can find peace one day. Omg these YouTube clips don't help him.

... did you actually watch that video of his best and fairest speech?

Actually... watch it. Not just glance through it and laugh at the Billy Madison meme, but actually watch it.

The guy came across as much more intelligent than you do in your posts.

 

[kaiserchief13]

... did you actually watch that video of his best and fairest speech?

Actually... watch it. Not just glance through it and laugh at the Billy Madison meme, but actually watch it.

The guy came across as much more intelligent than you do in your posts.

Which part of "the true meaning of my true name which is Heritier Dezebelez Luzibi Lumumba, which means the Prince, the one who will have the last laugh and is gifted" is relevant to anyone? Seems like he is full of himself with his name meaning "the Prince" and believing he is "gifted", whatever that means.

 

[TheKITC]

Why is it?

I'm asking the question too Chief. According to everything I read and hear these days, fat shaming is totally unacceptable behavior. I'm wondering why Lumumba thinks it's acceptable when he is so adamant about what is not and calling others out for their apparent wrong doings. As I said, where is the arbitrary line?

... did you actually watch that video of his best and fairest speech?

Did you? I find it extremely interesting that Lumumba has this to say:

"The thing I hold greatest to my heart, are my values which are also congruent with the values of the Collingwood football club... The number one value that this club has is community."

If Collingwood's values are congruent with his own in 2014 and he has so much praise for them, why later on did he come out with the allegations of racism and poor treatment of him? Why say those things at all if they were not true, which he has only later said that contradict this and other statements he made at the time? I find it rather peculiar (/sarcasm) that the allegations were only made well after he retired, right when the rise of cancel culture and clout chasing became more and more prevalent. Why wait that long and praise Collingwood then if the opposite was true?

 

[Chief]

According to everything I read and hear these days, fat shaming is totally unacceptable behavior.

Which fat footy player was called “fat”?

 

[Shane Heard]

Which fat footy player was called “fat”?

farm boy Hawkins i think

 

[TheKITC]

Which fat footy player was called “fat”?

Lumumba, defending himself from allegations of calling Tom Hawkins a "****ing ***" said that he instead and categorically called him a "fat ****".

 

[PP34]

People call each other fat ****s and all sorts of similar insults all the time playing footy.

Massive difference between calling an AFL player who clearly isn't fat a fat **** and comparing a black person to an animal.

Last time I checked Lumumba wasn't anti sledging.

 

[TheKITC]

People call each other fat fu**s and all sorts of similar insults all the time playing footy.

Massive difference between calling an AFL player who clearly isn't fat a fat fu** and comparing a black person to an animal.

Last time I checked Lumumba wasn't anti sledging.

So why is calling someone fat all good and calling someone something racist not? You say there is a massive difference, but why? Who makes that arbitrary call?

Fat shaming people has been linked to depression and increased suicidality rates among the victims. Why is one ok and not the other again? Seems rather hypocritical to me.

 

[PP34]

So why is calling someone fat all good and calling someone something racist not? You say there is a massive difference, but why? Who makes that arbitrary call?

Fat shaming people has been linked to depression and increased suicidality rates among the victims. Why is one ok and not the other again? Seems rather hypocritical to me.

Who said it was good? It's merely a stupid bit of sledging on a footy field.

People throw insults at one another on the footy field. One player calling another a fat **** is absolutely absurd in the AFL because clearly AFL players are not fat. Hawkins isn't fat. Even if we pretend he was, he can change that. Lumumba is black and always will be a black man.

White people have degraded, mocked and humiliated black people for hundreds of years. Nicknaming a black player chimp and therefore comparing him to a animal is implying (even if it's a joke) that he's some sort of subhuman is the same sort of racist behaviour that dates back that long. It's ugly and completely unacceptable. Chimp, ape etc were the same nicknames used for years to condone disgraceful behaviour.

Wake me up when we have heaps of fat people getting lynched, beaten up, segregated etc with the oppressors justify it by comparing them to aggressive animals.

 

[Taylor]

Fat is a choice. Fat is lazy. I've never seen a straight man decide to try some man meat because he was too lazy to try for a woman.

 

[TheKITC]

Who said it was good? It's merely a stupid bit of sledging on a footy field.

People throw insults at one another on the footy field. One player calling another a fat fu** is absolutely absurd in the AFL because clearly AFL players are not fat. Hawkins isn't fat. Even if we pretend he was, he can change that. Lumumba is black and always will be a black man.

White people have degraded, mocked and humiliated black people for hundreds of years. Nicknaming a black player chimp and therefore comparing him to a animal is implying (even if it's a joke) that he's some sort of subhuman is the same sort of racist behaviour that dates back that long. It's ugly and completely unacceptable. Chimp, ape etc were the same nicknames used for years to condone disgraceful behaviour.

Wake me up when we have heaps of fat people getting lynched, beaten up, segregated etc with the oppressors justify it by comparing them to aggressive animals.

Fat people have been degraded, mocked and humiliated for hundreds of years. Nicknaming a fat person to that of an animal is implying the they are some sort of subhuman and is behavior that dates back a long time.

Whenever you wake up, you might realise that fat shaming has been linked to suicide and depression, which you just ignored from my last post. You, like Lumumba are drawing an arbitrary line where you like. Just because you and probably others think one is more abhorrent than the other, does not justify either behaviour and does not make what Lumumba said to Hawkins acceptable. If I said rape was ok because it's not as bad as murder I would rightly be criticised, but it is essentially the same as saying racism = bad, fat shaming = acceptable. Being overweight is also not something everyone can always control, probably wouldn't hurt for people to stop peddling that debunked opinion.

I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of modern groupthink and being a devils advocate here with regards to Lumumba. He and others are basically saying "bad thing is fine when it doesn't suit my narrative, but other bad thing is totally terrible, worst thing ever".

 

[PP34]

Fat people have been degraded, mocked and humiliated for hundreds of years. Nicknaming a fat person to that of an animal is implying the they are some sort of subhuman and is behavior that dates back a long time.

Whenever you wake up, you might realise that fat shaming has been linked to suicide and depression, which you just ignored from my last post. You, like Lumumba are drawing an arbitrary line where you like. Just because you and probably others think one is more abhorrent than the other, does not justify either behaviour and does not make what Lumumba said to Hawkins acceptable. If I said rape was ok because it's not as bad as murder I would rightly be criticised, but it is essentially the same as saying racism = bad, fat shaming = acceptable. Being overweight is also not something everyone can always control, probably wouldn't hurt for people to stop peddling that debunked opinion.

I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of modern groupthink and being a devils advocate here with regards to Lumumba. He and others are basically saying "bad thing is fine when it doesn't suit my narrative, but other bad thing is totally terrible, worst thing ever".

No. I merely understand the difference between racism and what it represents and a stupid bit of sledging on the footy field to a bloke who wasn't even fat.

If you want to even think being fat the last 200 years is comparable to the plight of black people in that same time then I don't know what to say....

There will always be arbitrary lines when we're talking about groups of people whether it be black people, gay people, religious people etc and rightly so. History when it comes to these groups is ugly and comparisons to animals like a chimp have been part of that.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

... did you actually watch that video of his best and fairest speech?

Actually... watch it. Not just glance through it and laugh at the Billy Madison meme, but actually watch it.

The guy came across as much more intelligent than you do in your posts.

You mean the one where he said the Collingwood football club's values were congruent with his own? He was either lying then or he's lying now, or his own values lead him to supporting racist practices at the football club.

 

[Atomboy]

Who said it was good? It's merely a stupid bit of sledging on a footy field.

People throw insults at one another on the footy field. One player calling another a fat fu** is absolutely absurd in the AFL because clearly AFL players are not fat. Hawkins isn't fat. Even if we pretend he was, he can change that. Lumumba is black and always will be a black man.

White people have degraded, mocked and humiliated black people for hundreds of years. Nicknaming a black player chimp and therefore comparing him to a animal is implying (even if it's a joke) that he's some sort of subhuman is the same sort of racist behaviour that dates back that long. It's ugly and completely unacceptable. Chimp, ape etc were the same nicknames used for years to condone disgraceful behaviour.

Wake me up when we have heaps of fat people getting lynched, beaten up, segregated etc with the oppressors justify it by comparing them to aggressive animals.

Hasn’t it come out that he gave himself that nickname and made the animal comparison ?