List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Elite Pete]

Gettable had a list of midfielders who were first round picks who teams could be looking at because they cant get regular games.

Pedlar (pick 11)
Ward (pick 7)
Clark (pick 7)
Erasmus (pick 10)
Sheldrick (pick 18)
Ed Allen (pick 19)

Others
Will Phillips (pick 3)
Tsatas (pick 5)
Macrae (pick 19)

If we have pick 1 and 2 and two mids are in that range pick them. If any players who would fill and need for now and the future. Use the picks to trade them in. Don’t over pay (Baker style)

 

[Balls In]

Thank god the temptation of Warner has been taken off the table. Imagine what we'd have forked out given the draft capital we spent on Kelly and Baker.

 

[Altum Volantes]

You do realise that if we do sign Starcevich and he does go down with another concussion and retires, he gets paid outside of the salary cap

It was more the purchase of a white elephant instead of focusing on building via the draft + retaining key players, rather than the cap implications of getting Starcevich himself.

 

[Boohemian]

People overrate draft picks. There's a fair chance the number 3 draft pick never becomes as good as Chad Warner. And if we used a number 3 pick, it likely would cost an additional second rounder, not another first rounder, which is even more speculative. Warner is coming on 24, not 30, and would help the kids around him develop a winning culture sooner.

As pointed out, in two years, Freo may enter the frame as well. Don't see any way this is a good result for West Coast.

Sure, people may overrate draft picks. I don't think anyone is saying that high end draft picks are guaranteed to be elite, all time greats though.

Question though - how much would Warner cost in draft capital to get him in? One first round pick? Two first round picks? Throw in a second rounder as well? Are we better off getting three decent/good/great players into the club rather than one mercurial player? There are 18 players on field, and all need to work within a system for success.

This isn't basketball where one or two great players can come in and completely turn around the prospects of a team. We're going to be pretty bloody ordinary until the lads gain experience, and that's going to take longer than Warner's two year contract and it wouldn't be any different if Warner was on board. Warner doesn't instantly pass on 50 games worth of experience to Tom Gross via osmosis.

If Warner is ever in blue and gold, it's going to be better overall if it happens in two years time. That's because he will be "free" as far as draft capital is concerned, and the lads we have now will have 30 - 50 more games under their belt. And lets not forget that we will have the players acquired with picks that would have otherwise gone to Sydney. Back the club in to do their due diligence and recruit the right players.

If Fremantle can get him in under the salary cap, good luck to them. If they're going after Pickett, I'd expect their salary cap is stuffed unless they can dish off Darcy anyway.

"Celebrating" Warner signing with Sydney isn't unreasonable at all. It's just not the right time.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Warner's done a Dev Robertson.

Username to post correlation

 

[WA footy mad]

I'm Happy warner saga is over, it was starting to go overboard with all the scenario's on what picks it would take and how much money it would cost. Its over lets get on with another topic.

 

[unty11]

To be honest warner hasn't had the best season so far and he was poor in the grand final.

 

[WCE777]

Gettable had a list of midfielders who were first round picks who teams could be looking at because they cant get regular games.

Pedlar (pick 11)
Ward (pick 7)
Clark (pick 7)
Erasmus (pick 10)
Sheldrick (pick 18)
Ed Allen (pick 19)

Others
Will Phillips (pick 3)
Tsatas (pick 5)
Macrae (pick 19)

If we have pick 1 and 2 and two mids are in that range pick them. If any players who would fill and need for now and the future. Use the picks to trade them in. Don’t over pay (Baker style)

Agree pick 2 top end mids and a good KDEF option through the draft.
Then use draft capital and $ to trade in someone like Ward who would be the best of these, ready to go B grade player with upside, 4 year deal, 2nd round pick.

The other desperate need is a KDEF player now, Brock looks like he will be good in time, Edwards is a stop gap, Bazzo either makes it as a 3rd tall or not?
Gov has maybe 2 years left and I would be using future picks and $ to buy Z Reid, late 2nd round early 3rd and 4 years also.

 

[eaglevision]

Gov has maybe 2 years left and I would be using future picks and $ to buy Z Reid, late 2nd round early 3rd and 4 years also.

Why not get another ruck and offer Essendon BWilliams for ZReid, otherwise walk him to the PSD? They treated us like mugs the last couple of trade periods.

 

[twce13]

Why not get another ruck and offer Essendon BWilliams for ZReid, otherwise walk him to the PSD? They treated us like mugs the last couple of trade periods.

Dude why would essendon want BW. He's a useless ruckman and shown nothing as a fwd.

Can literally get a player of his quality from State League.

That trade is never happening and Zac Reid isn't even that good lol.

 

[WCE777]

Why not get another ruck and offer Essendon BWilliams for ZReid, otherwise walk him to the PSD? They treated us like mugs the last couple of trade periods.

Unless there is a better ruck ready to replace BW I wouldn't do it, don't want another developing young ruck.
Decent trade but can't go through next year and beyond without someone other than Flynn.
If Cameron can be convinced to come for the right trade value, I would jump at that trade.

 

[Astro7]

Re: Warner - great now we can all move on to the next one!

 

[beagles]

Gettable had a list of midfielders who were first round picks who teams could be looking at because they cant get regular games.

Pedlar (pick 11)
Ward (pick 7)
Clark (pick 7)
Erasmus (pick 10)
Sheldrick (pick 18)
Ed Allen (pick 19)

Others
Will Phillips (pick 3)
Tsatas (pick 5)
Macrae (pick 19)

If we have pick 1 and 2 and two mids are in that range pick them. If any players who would fill and need for now and the future. Use the picks to trade them in. Don’t over pay (Baker style)

Having PTSD with Clarke running trades. No!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to the draft.

 

[eaglevision]

Dude why would essendon want BW. He's a useless ruckman and shown nothing as a fwd.
That trade is never happening and Zac Reid isn't even that good lol.

I fail to see how this trade is not fair.

 

[eagles rule]

Wow our war chest needs to go somewhere.
We will have a surplus to spend this year you would think, particularly if Harley doesn't come to the party.
Trade week will be very interesting this year.
Who out there could we lure over with a big pay day. I am sure there are some left field choices we haven't even thought off.

Do we focus on TDK now and would Carlton be satisfied if we offered Hawks Pick 13 and WCE Pick 21 to them ?

 

[eaglevision]

Unless there is a better ruck ready to replace BW I wouldn't do it, don't want another developing young ruck.
Decent trade but can't go through next year and beyond without someone other than Flynn.
If Cameron can be convinced to come for the right trade value, I would jump at that trade.

I did preface the trade with “Why not get another ruck”.

Cameron’s trade value is difficult to estimate but I do think he’s undervalued in here. We need to get some clarity on:
a) whether he actually wants to be in WA next year b) what would satisfy Collingwood in a trade

 

[Elite Pete]

Agree pick 2 top end mids and a good KDEF option through the draft.
Then use draft capital and $ to trade in someone like Ward who would be the best of these, ready to go B grade player with upside, 4 year deal, 2nd round pick.

The other desperate need is a KDEF player now, Brock looks like he will be good in time, Edwards is a stop gap, Bazzo either makes it as a 3rd tall or not?
Gov has maybe 2 years left and I would be using future picks and $ to buy Z Reid, late 2nd round early 3rd and 4 years also.

You never say never and you’d be asking the question for sure of Ward but I doubt he leaves the Hawks and Vic altogether, he would have a few options there. Saints will be hunting mids too. If they pull off the TDK+Aleer+Bergman swoop, I doubt they get one in the draft.

Plenty of options to bring in plug and play mids not on the list too. S Berry, A Davies, D*v, Tunstill ect The money we would have free and the chance to play in their preferred position should be enough.

Will Powell is a must off the HBF, need someone who we can get it to and can use it. Was a BF rumour he looked at it last year with a young family but probably all it was.

Zac Reid while the link is decent, I think he would think he owes the Dons.

Aleer should be one for us, seems certain to be gone and If it’s to the highest bidder, we should be right there first in queue. (Saints rumoured to have offered $900k a year)

Sadly one of AReid or Shanahan will have to go back too. Blight would be a bargain buy but not sure he is can get it done long term.

Wait a year and Ben Miller is an Unrestricted free agent in 2026 so could be a decent option. Jack Buckley is also an FA at the end of 2026.

Having PTSD with Clarke running trades. No!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to the draft.

100% go to the draft, could end up with 2 maybe even a third top 10 pick and 3 players in the 15-40 range through NGA, FS. That’s plenty along with the picks we have taken over the last 4 year span.

Need to address some needs to help these kids develop too. Clearance work and mids to help get it moving from the defence to the forward line are two. Just look at Richmond. When their vets are going well they are right in the game and lets the young blokes do their thing. Nank, TT, Hooper, Dow and Ross ain’t world beaters anymore but are good enough to complete.

Yeo? Will he ever play again?
Kelly? Will he be on the list next year? Ruck!! I think Flynn can get the job done but let’s see what the next 17 games look like.

 

[Godfather32]

Re: Warner - great now we can all move on to the next one!

Send Dr Phil out to get us the next Owies!

 

[eagles rule]

A lot can happen in 2 years.

If Warner wanted to come home on a massive long term deal, this was his chance. I think this is similar to Tim English, we tried to trade for him in 2022 but he signed through to free agency, then when he became available as a free agent we lost interest and Freo had signed 2 long term rucks.

From a list build perspective, it makes sense to get him for free in 2 years, I just don't think it is very likely.

Yep he’s got 2 yrs to devalue his worth ..

 

[WCE777]

I did preface the trade with “Why not get another ruck”.

Cameron’s trade value is difficult to estimate but I do think he’s undervalued in here. We need to get some clarity on:
a) whether he actually wants to be in WA next year b) what would satisfy Collingwood in a trade

ok, agree, getting a quality ruck is an important part of our list, currently we have 2 descent 2nd ruck options.

 

[DanWCE]

Do we focus on TDK now and would Carlton be satisfied if we traded their 1st and 2nd Round Picks back to them ?

Wouldn't we need those picks to be able to offer them?

 

[Choogler]

Sure, people may overrate draft picks. I don't think anyone is saying that high end draft picks are guaranteed to be elite, all time greats though.

Question though - how much would Warner cost in draft capital to get him in? One first round pick? Two first round picks? Throw in a second rounder as well? Are we better off getting three decent/good/great players into the club rather than one mercurial player? There are 18 players on field, and all need to work within a system for success.

This isn't basketball where one or two great players can come in and completely turn around the prospects of a team. We're going to be pretty bloody ordinary until the lads gain experience, and that's going to take longer than Warner's two year contract and it wouldn't be any different if Warner was on board. Warner doesn't instantly pass on 50 games worth of experience to Tom Gross via osmosis.

If Warner is ever in blue and gold, it's going to be better overall if it happens in two years time. That's because he will be "free" as far as draft capital is concerned, and the lads we have now will have 30 - 50 more games under their belt. And lets not forget that we will have the players acquired with picks that would have otherwise gone to Sydney. Back the club in to do their due diligence and recruit the right players.

If Fremantle can get him in under the salary cap, good luck to them. If they're going after Pickett, I'd expect their salary cap is stuffed unless they can dish off Darcy anyway.

"Celebrating" Warner signing with Sydney isn't unreasonable at all. It's just not the right time.

I think the value of draft picks isn't overrated at all, especially if you can get multiple early picks like Richmond had last draft. The more you have, the greater the chance of drafting good kids that that will serve the club long-term and the more options you have of drafting better players to fit list needs.
I'm quite happy not to burn picks this draft on a trade for Warner as I think we still need some more young talent to bolster our stocks where we are deficient.
Unlike some, I don't think our midfield stocks are as poor as some think. There's Harley, I think Hewett can be every bit as good as Warner, Hutch will get much better as will Gross, and we don't know yet what Davis, Grego, Johnston, Hall and Bo will be able to bring. Add Yeo and Kelly and maybe even Hough, to that group.
An area of weakness is obviously KPD players as Gov will be gone soon and Edwards doesn't look the goods. I think Jamieson can play and may really help our KPD stocks. I really hope he'll get a decent run at it now.
I do think we also need to target another ruckman. I think Flynn is OK, but we don't want to have to revert to relying on BW, he's not the answer. I'd do it this MSD.. probably Keogh for me
So, use our 3 (with Allen comp pick) first rounders wisely in 2025 and then hit the 2026 draft, and hopefully pick up Warner for nothing in the compromised 2027 draft.

I don't think missing Warner now is a bad thing long-term.

 

[Choogler]

ok, agree, getting a quality ruck is an important part of our list, currently we have 2 descent 2nd ruck options.

A fit Flynn is a decent option, BW isn't!

 

[Schtinker]

Totally agree with rating draft picks, 50% failure rate and a 24yo in his prime top 10 midfielder wanting to come to your club is not a win win.
Known products are the cheapest player you can buy if you don't be silly.
Anyway, Warner is on the menu in 2 years as a RFA and we will be up to our ears in his services!

The biggest glaring issue now is how do we help build the midfield without going all draft picks?
We need 2 elite mids through the draft and a top end KDEF option as our starting point with our draft hand.

The biggest hole will be filing the Kelly, Yeo hole as they age and are almost done.
WC need at least a B grade mid now and another A grade this year or next to fill the massive hole that is there now.
Whether that is a 22-26yo player or a younger and older player to help with this next period, critically important this happens now that the Warner trade off, throw around our cash reserves at appropriate players and keep being aggressive.

I'd be targeting Miles Bergman and Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera with Bergman being the priority. Don't think he gets enough credit for his midfield craft and is more used as a stopper. Another I'd target would be Jasper Fletcher from Brisbane. Don't think he'll get a gig in the midfield for a long time at Brisbane but has the talent to be more than he is and Brissy have Daniel Annable in this years draft.

 

[We_The_West]

It might be a couple years of pain getting games into the youth and learning the new game plan but getting another good draft haul will be key to building a solid foundation for the next premiership push.

Should get Dev as a delisted FA this year so there's another freebie for some extra midfield depth