List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[WCE777]

If Oscar leaves I think we’re going to have 3 top 10 picks but more than likely he stays. Still seems to be a bit of noise about a big offer from Brisbane but not sure how they could fit him into the cap. My early preferences would be:

3-Sharp/Rodriguez/Duursma
13-Curtin/Greeves/Onley
21-Hibbins-Hargreaves/Lindsay/Swadling
31-Walley/Banfield/Evans
49-Walley/Banfield/Evans

The picks at 13 and 21 are reasonably interchangeable this early but these would be the players I hope we’re after at our assumed picks.

have to take some of my opinion back, Hibbins-Hargreaves is a ripper, just watched a video of the U17 national futures game, very nice!

 

[WCE777]

He’s a forward that chops out in the ruck. The chance of him going past our line of tall forwards that can ruck to actually crack an AFL game is almost zero. The only thing that may save him is being a Cat B rookie and not taking someone else’s spot. Hunt and Brockman are the only two from the second column that I’d happily delist.

100%, I feel Livingstone will eventually have to try a different position if our group of FWDS keep developing as they are. Would lie to see him kept as a rookie for a couple more years but he might need to train as a KDEF in the mould of H Edwards.

 

[stallon]

Livingstone needs more time. He's a ruckman. Needs 3 more years minimum probably before we see his potential. I wouldn't be cutting Dewar/Chess or Bazzo unless bringing in some serious talent. I have a suspicion Cole is in for a big year.

Not everyone needs to be given time. If theyre unlikely to ever be in the side when why bother keeping them around? We cant be holding onto spuds hoping for the tiny chance they become a serviceable player.

Small chance we could CatB rookie Walley if he doesnt do amazing this year, Evans if Walley goes in the normal draft. Theyre not positions of need but theyre probably better chances to be something for us

 

[TheBudgies]

He’s a forward that chops out in the ruck. The chance of him going past our line of tall forwards that can ruck to actually crack an AFL game is almost zero. The only thing that may save him is being a Cat B rookie and not taking someone else’s spot. Hunt and Brockman are the only two from the second column that I’d happily delist.

That might just be because he's still young. Could be he develops into a full time ruck in time. That's pretty common for rucks when they are still teenagers right? He is still listed as a ruck on the Eagles and AFL websites.

 

[squashface]

Did I just read in the last few pages that posters are suggesting moving on Hutchinson, Dewar and Johnston?

Wowee, good reminder that we are on a football forum populated by morons

 

[ArdentEagle]

I wouldn't be worrying about HJ. For a late pick in his first year I thought he showed a lot.

Calm, picks off hard kicks, great communicator on-field. Ticks a heap of boxes. Also comes across as very coachable.

Well...I was actually getting him confused with Rawlinson

Silly AE!!

 

[TheBudgies]

Not everyone needs to be given time. If theyre unlikely to ever be in the side when why bother keeping them around? We cant be holding onto spuds hoping for the tiny chance they become a serviceable player.

Small chance we could CatB rookie Walley if he doesnt do amazing this year, Evans if Walley goes in the normal draft. Theyre not positions of need but theyre probably better chances to be something for us

I agree generally but Rucks are different. Often need time to develop. Even the elite ones.

 

[stallon]

I agree generally but Rucks are different. Often need time to develop. Even the elite ones.

Is Livingston a ruck though? Or is he a forward ruck that will be fighting JWilliams and Archer for a spot in the side?

199cm is pretty short for a ruckman, maybe the club is happy with that but as I said we cant carry players who we think are unlikely to make it, even if they havent even got close to their potential.
If Barnett converts to a full time KPD then that probably buys Livingstone another year on the list anyway, he would be the 3rd in line ruckman in that case. We probably want 4 on the list

 

[Godfather32]

Yea absolutely. We could have also picked a series of potatoes who played 3 games and never got a touch. 2019/2020 look like not the best drafts in total and we traded for a known quantity. I'm not saying we didn't pay overs but we didn't actually lose as much as many seem to be suggesting. If it comes out we were keen on Warner for example then that changes things but hard to say we would have picked him in place of some of the other absolute lemons in the draft.

This is also true

 

[TheBudgies]

Is Livingston a ruck though? Or is he a forward ruck that will be fighting JWilliams and Archer for a spot in the side?

199cm is pretty short for a ruckman, maybe the club is happy with that but as I said we cant carry players who we think are unlikely to make it, even if they havent even got close to their potential.
If Barnett converts to a full time KPD then that probably buys Livingstone another year on the list anyway, he would be the 3rd in line ruckman in that case. We probably want 4 on the list

Yea fair. I think he has a place if we see him as a ruck. I tend to agree he doesn't really fit in if he's primarily a KPF. Would be interesting to know where the club sees him at the moment.

 

[Monocle]

Well...I was actually getting him confused with Rawlinson

Fair call AE.

Rawlinson is IMO a very very long shot, to ever make it and HJ already has me thinking that he has the footy smarts, that will see him make the grade.

Additionally HJ runs good patterns and has a big tank, I see him developing into a really handy link up midfielder.
He is one of those players thats smart enough to play well as a defensive midfielder and do run with rolls, yet at the same time looks very capable of racking up good disposal numbers himself, when he counter attacks away from the run with roles.
I think Mini will enjoy coaching him.


Call me too optimistic and going way too early, but I am hoping for this trend to continue.
Bonus that the last few draft it looks like we have extracted excellent value with the last pick we took in the respective National Drafts.


2022 - Noah Long
2023 - Harvey Johnston
2024 - Hamish Davis - I think in a few years time people will look back and say we got an absolute steal with pick 65.

 

[eaglevision]

This is a shot from WCE war room on draft night two just before the Gross pick. Can anybody decipher the board?



WCE_phil

 

[Obeanie1]

This is a shot from WCE war room on draft night two just before the Gross pick. Can anybody decipher the board?

View attachment 2179547

WCE_phil

IMO the numbers are the points value at that pick needed to buy in and a heap of picks were valued at 525.

Around the spot we bought back in.

 

[numbat06]

Did I just read in the last few pages that posters are suggesting moving on Hutchinson, Dewar and Johnston?

Wowee, good reminder that we are on a football forum populated by morons

Just after Hutcho got 15 odd touches in a half playing through the midfield.
Also I thought Hunt has been one of our better players the past couple of years, I don't think he'll be getting delisted.

 

[Bender_]

Did I just read in the last few pages that posters are suggesting moving on Hutchinson, Dewar and Johnston?

Wowee, good reminder that we are on a football forum populated by morons

Some have gone too far the other way - we now want to get rid of Oscar Allen and other promising young players for list space and THE PICKS.

Right now if we get all the 2025 picks, we can trade them on for more picks in 2026 and then again in 2027 and so on and keep culling the list too. At some point we're going to have to keep and develop players to, you know, play footy and win games however.

 

[mat11]

Fair call AE.

Rawlinson is IMO a very very long shot, to ever make it and HJ already has me thinking that he has the footy smarts, that will see him make the grade.

Additionally HJ runs good patterns and has a big tank, I see him developing into a really handy link up midfielder.
He is one of those players thats smart enough to play well as a defensive midfielder and do run with rolls, yet at the same time looks very capable of racking up good disposal numbers himself, when he counter attacks away from the run with roles.
I think Mini will enjoy coaching him.


Call me too optimistic and going way too early, but I am hoping for this trend to continue.
Bonus that the last few draft it looks like we have extracted excellent value with the last pick we took in the respective National Drafts.


2022 - Noah Long
2023 - Harvey Johnston
2024 - Hamish Davis - I think in a few years time people will look back and say we got an absolute steal with pick 65.

I was properly pissed off when we traded out 63 + 68 for this very reason (fortunately we were still able to bring in davis). Seems the main prerequisite for the 4th rounders we accumulate is integrity

 

[Godfather32]

Some have gone too far the other way - we now want to get rid of Oscar Allen and other promising young players for list space and THE PICKS.

Right now if we get all the 2025 picks, we can trade them on for more picks in 2026 and then again in 2027 and so on and keep culling the list too. At some point we're going to have to keep and develop players to, you know, play footy and win games however.

To be fair, we'd be absolutely crazy to give Allen 7 years with his injury history

 

[chaddy22]

If Oscar leaves I think we’re going to have 3 top 10 picks but more than likely he stays. Still seems to be a bit of noise about a big offer from Brisbane but not sure how they could fit him into the cap. My early preferences would be:

3-Sharp/Rodriguez/Duursma
13-Curtin/Greeves/Onley
21-Hibbins-Hargreaves/Lindsay/Swadling
31-Walley/Banfield/Evans
49-Walley/Banfield/Evans

The picks at 13 and 21 are reasonably interchangeable this early but these would be the players I hope we’re after at our assumed picks.

If this was a normal year it might be possible. What complicates this is we have delisted a lot this year and some of the players we may bring in as Father/Sons or NGA at 31 &49 will need to be upgrades on who we delist.
Other complications is how much capital we may have to give up for the race for Chad.
If Oscar leaves we do get a compo pick but if we want Starcevich that brings other complications.
With Petch and Cole out of contract do we delist as they are free agents or maybe getting compo picks if any clubs are interested.
Will Richmond or Essendon try to get ahead of the pack to get Harley a year earlier while both have a bit of trade capital.
I look forward to a grumpy 2025 trade/draft

 

[Bender_]

To be fair, we'd be absolutely crazy to give Allen 7 years with his injury history

I concur. Contracts in the AFL have gone nuts - IMO it's a shit idea giving 7 year contracts to anyone. Years back 3 years was the norm and managers were pushing 2 just to able to renegotiate terms quicker.

However Allen is a heart and soul player for the club and a true talent and a compromise needs to be reached. I'd rather he play out his career than leaves the club via FA, even if it is for a top 5 compo pick.

 

[eaglevision]

If this was a normal year it might be possible. What complicates this is we have delisted a lot this year and some of the players we may bring in as Father/Sons or NGA at 31 &49 will need to be upgrades on who we delist.
Other complications is how much capital we may have to give up for the race for Chad.
If Oscar leaves we do get a compo pick but if we Pick up Starcevich we lose that pick unless we trade which i think is correct.
With Petch and Cole out of contract do we delist as they are free agents or maybe getting compo picks might be more valuable if clubs are interested..
Will Richmond or Essendon try to get Harley over a year earlier while both have a bit of trade capital.
I look forward to a grumpy 2025 trade/draft

You are correct. Free agency spits out a net result so if we were to gain a player like Starcevich, it would likely reduce band 1 compo for Oscar to band 2 at absolute best. Only issue with Oscar staying is the length of deal he’s chasing.

Petch going as a free agent (blues could use his speed) would be superb. Personally if we had to make a call now I’d delist/trade Petch, Jamo, Sheed, Cripps, Hunt, Rawlinson and Livingstone, take best available (Rodriguez, Curtin and HH) with 3, 13 and 21 (assumed) as well as our 3 NGA/FSs.

 

[squashface]

Some have gone too far the other way - we now want to get rid of Oscar Allen and other promising young players for list space and THE PICKS.

Right now if we get all the 2025 picks, we can trade them on for more picks in 2026 and then again in 2027 and so on and keep culling the list too. At some point we're going to have to keep and develop players to, you know, play footy and win games however.

Hopefully Oscar Allen leaves via free agency and we get band 1 for him. Then maybe we can draft a key forward with the pick who projects like an Oscar Allen to replace him.

 

[chaddy22]

You are correct. Free agency spits out a net result so if we were to gain a player like Starcevich, it would likely reduce band 1 compo for Oscar to band 2 at absolute best. Only issue with Oscar staying is the length of deal he’s chasing.

Petch going as a free agent (blues could use his speed) would be superb. Personally if we had to make a call now I’d delist/trade Petch, Jamo, Sheed, Cripps, Hunt, Rawlinson and Livingstone, take best available (Rodriguez, Curtin and HH) with 3, 13 and 21 (assumed) as well as our 3 NGA/FSs.

Thanks for that .
Oscar needs s a good year but even if he does i would be wary of anything more than five years.
Can you clarify the position of SPP players.
With one spot left on the list we have one spot left on our list.
Will it be a rookie spot and a one year contract.
Maybe the first to be delisted on probability if we have another big trading year.

 

[eaglevision]

Thanks for that .
Oscar needs s a good year but even if he does i would be wary of anything more than five years.
Can you clarify the position of SPP players.
With one spot left on the list we have one spot left on our list.
Will it be a rookie spot and a one year contract.
Maybe the first to be delisted on probability if we have another big trading year.

We can place an SSP addition on the main list OR rookie list as we have an available list spot on one or the other (but not both with a maximum list size of 44 players). I suspect it’s going to be Burgiel on the rookie list. Main list spots will be our issue at the end of this year with 3x NGA/FSs likely to attract bids as well as five good picks. Rookie spots not much of an issue.

 

[stallon]

You are correct. Free agency spits out a net result so if we were to gain a player like Starcevich, it would likely reduce band 1 compo for Oscar to band 2 at absolute best. Only issue with Oscar staying is the length of deal he’s chasing.

Petch going as a free agent (blues could use his speed) would be superb. Personally if we had to make a call now I’d delist/trade Petch, Jamo, Sheed, Cripps, Hunt, Rawlinson and Livingstone, take best available (Rodriguez, Curtin and HH) with 3, 13 and 21 (assumed) as well as our 3 NGA/FSs.

It gets forgotten as theyre not on the actual list yet, but the guy we sign as a SSP can be delisted too, along with Petch, Jamo, Sheed and Cripps thats 5 spots, if we dup Hunt too thats 6 list spots.

Those first 3 picks you listed + Banfield and Walley is 5 spots, meaning we can grab a player like Starcevich without stretching it too much.
Alternatively our first pick + Banfield and Walley is 3 spots. Warner x2 is 5, then we can still grab another guy like Starcevich or even go after a McVee or something.
Add Brockman to the delist pile if we want another spot or want to keep one of those delist guys, but thats too hard to predict this far out.

Rawlinson obviously gets replaced by a rookie, so not really a part of the trades. Potentially Evans goes here, or someone else entirely.

 

[WCE777]

You are correct. Free agency spits out a net result so if we were to gain a player like Starcevich, it would likely reduce band 1 compo for Oscar to band 2 at absolute best. Only issue with Oscar staying is the length of deal he’s chasing.

Petch going as a free agent (blues could use his speed) would be superb. Personally if we had to make a call now I’d delist/trade Petch, Jamo, Sheed, Cripps, Hunt, Rawlinson and Livingstone, take best available (Rodriguez, Curtin and HH) with 3, 13 and 21 (assumed) as well as our 3 NGA/FSs.

just worked out who HH is, Hibbens-Hargreaves?
I really don't see Hunt being delisted, still a good player, best 22.
Petch FA had interest from NM this year so WC might get a 3rd round compo pick, can agree with the others.
If WC want to draft 3 players + 2 NGA/FS and 2 Warner's, they are going to need between 7 & 8 list spots imo, without going after a decent ruck or any FA.
If Chesser doesn't have a good year he can be traded for a late 2nd early 3rd round and replaced with Corey Warner, similar profile?
The other option WC are probably considering is actually leaving the open list spot open, which is probably the less likely option if they have players training with them.