List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

You have to pay a hefty premium for A grade finished products. The value is in the draft and that is where we need to go. We can't afford to be paying premiums for Warner. He is likely to cost 3 draft picks with at least two being first rounders. We just can't do it.

 

[briztoon]

If we got Warner for just the 6+19 value thatd acceptable imo. We are used to the club not playing hardball

Are you suggesting theyd want only future picks?

If nothing else a mid 1st rounder linked to the Hawks could be split further, they might be after some more points I guess

If I were Sydney, I’d want a very pick and a future pick.

 

[Elite Pete]

If I were Sydney, I’d want a very pick and a future pick.

Just because they want it, doesn’t mean they get it. Back 2 back All Australian Houston was worth more then he got Port ect. 12 months of football to play out. One of their academy kids rockets up to top 5 calculations and all trade talk gets very complicated

 

[WCE777]

Wish we didn't have to offer longer contracts to players we trade in to get them across, but I guess we're forced to based on what their original club or other clubs are offering.
We gave 3, 4 & 5 years respectively to Owies, Graham & Baker too, but at least they're more established players than Brockman.

that's the AFL world and what it takes, if Brockman doesn't improve the club can pay out his contract and delist end of 25

 

[WCE777]

Just because they want it, doesn’t mean they get it. Back 2 back All Australian Houston was worth more then he got Port ect. 12 months of football to play out. One of their academy kids rockets up to top 5 calculations and all trade talk gets very complicated

agree a lot to play out but to get premium players you pay a premium price, going to have to pay $1.2 for 8 years to make it happen also.
Warner trade is worth around the Bolton deal, 2 x 1st rounders but mid 1st round.
Best result is 1 of their academy kids bolts into top 10 and they want to push a pick into future, Hawks 1st and our F1st is fair price.

 

[Tugga27]

that's the AFL world and what it takes, if Brockman doesn't improve the club can pay out his contract and delist end of 25

I know we did it with Langdon from GWS, but it's pretty unusual for us to do that.

Unless he stuffs up off the field, I don't see him getting chopped with a year to go on his contract.

 

[Aarick13]

I think 12, 21 + F2 for Warner at the end of next season..... here is why, He is a free agent at the end of 2026 and I cannot see Sydney dropping off a cliff and finishing outside finals . If they finished 8th in 2026 and lose him to free agency Sydney only get pick 12 as compensation. We can add a little to that but not many clubs are going to have the draft capital to match at the end of next year that WC have.

Chad Warners contract is up in 2025 and he would need to sign a 2 year contract to then be a free agent in 2027.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Brockman would have to do something stupid off field or be very bad this year to get released early from the final year of his contract. He got 3 years for a reason.

I don't believe Chesser is AFL quality, but i'd be surprised if he didn't get offered a 1Y deal, unless he's awful or injured in 2025. If he continues being the level he is currently, he'll squeeze out another year.


Cripps, Rawlinson, Sheed, Petrucelle and Jamieson are the early candidates IMO.

Hutchinson, Dewar and Livingston would need to have decent seasons or they could be joining the above.

Personally I'd be taking Hutchinson and Dewar out of that list, adding Cole. HJ maybe move for a token pick if nothing is shown.

Hutch and Dewar have almost shown enough already to see they're going to be good.

 

[mat11]

I think 12, 21 + F2 for Warner at the end of next season..... here is why, He is a free agent at the end of 2026 and I cannot see Sydney dropping off a cliff and finishing outside finals . If they finished 8th in 2026 and lose him to free agency Sydney only get pick 12 as compensation. We can add a little to that but not many clubs are going to have the draft capital to match at the end of next year that WC have.

Whether we like it or not Chad is worth 2 early/mid firsts at a starting point. If a small utility like baker is worth 14 then a goal kicking mid capable of winning a brownlow will be expensive af. Similar to Baker, there is a link of nepotism between the clubs which means it'd be highly unlikely that we are ruthless

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Whether we like it or not Chad is worth 2 early/mid firsts at a starting point. If a small utility like baker is worth 14 then a goal kicking mid capable of winning a brownlow will be expensive af. Similar to Baker, there is a link of nepotism between the clubs which means it'd be highly unlikely that we are ruthless

Us doing whatever it took to get the Baker trade across the line has probably set the trend. I don't think teams will even take us seriously if we try to be.

 

[mat11]

Us doing whatever it took to get the Baker trade across the line has probably set the trend. I don't think teams will even take us seriously if we try to be.

Pykes made it clear publicly that he wants to have a good relationship with most clubs, with pyke and keiran at the club it's hard to see us screwing Sydney. Fortunately we have the capital this next off-season

 

[Monocle]

Pykes made it clear publicly that he wants to have a good relationship with most clubs, with pyke and keiran at the club it's hard to see us screwing Sydney. Fortunately we have the capital this next off-season

You are correct we do in fact have the capital next trade and draft period, however such a bounty is rare, therefore we need to make sure that we don't squander the opportunity and ensure that we not only spend it wisely, but also extract value from the draft capital.

Recent trade and draft history shows that the teams who don't maximise the value of their draft picks and trade opportunities, don't fare well - by way of example, look no further than Gold Coast who have regularly traded in players by paying overs by way of draft picks to land their player and simultaneously traded picks and players away at below market value.

Thats partially why Gold Coast finish each year out of the finals and sit permanently entrenched in no mans land.
Side note, hard to keep your better players when you never contend.

Conversely the BDE - Geelong do the very opposite they pay under's at the trade table and manage to extract overs when trading players out.

Now I am not for one minute advocating that we, on every deal, become total arseholes to trade with like Geelong.

But I think that it's imperative for us to improve and advance our quest up the ladder, that we do extract fair and equitable value when trading players in and out.

We did a very good job getting fair value for Barrass in the recent trade with Hawthorn.

I cant say the same with what we did with the Carlton/Richmond trade, because Clarke Kent, green behind the ears, didn't handle that part of trading at all well.

He will have eyes well and truely on him next trade period, mine included and I must say that I do feel uneasy about him going into next years trade and draft period, with the best hand of draft picks that we have had for a decade.

Make no mistake, next years trade and draft period looms as critical to determining and effecting, just how long we stay in the bottom half of the AFL Ladder.

 

[eaglevision]

You are correct we do in fact have the capital next trade and draft period, however such a bounty is rare, therefore we need to make sure that we don't squander the opportunity and ensure that we not only spend it wisely, but also extract value from the draft capital.

Recent trade and draft history shows that the teams who don't maximise the value of their draft picks and trade opportunities, don't fare well - by way of example, look no further than Gold Coast who have regularly traded in players by paying overs by way of draft picks to land their player and simultaneously traded picks and players away at below market value.

Thats partially why Gold Coast finish each year out of the finals and sit permanently entrenched in no mans land.
Side note, hard to keep your better players when you never contend.

Conversely the BDE - Geelong do the very opposite they pay under's at the trade table and manage to extract overs when trading players out.

Now I am not for one minute advocating that we, on every deal, become total arseholes to trade with like Geelong.

But I think that it's imperative for us to improve and advance our quest up the ladder, that we do extract fair and equitable value when trading players in and out.

We did a very good job getting fair value for Barrass in the recent trade with Hawthorn.

I cant say the same with what we did with the Richmond trade, because Clarke Kent, green behind the ears didn't handle that part of trading at all well.

He will have eyes well and truely on him next trade period, mine included and I must say that I do feel uneasy about him going into next years trade and draft period, with the best hand of draft picks that we have had for a decade.

Make no mistake, next years trade and draft period looms as critical to determining and effecting, just how long we stay in the bottom half of the AFL Ladder.

Couldn’t have said it better. Having more draft capital is not an excuse to be reckless with it. Coming from a long way back thanks to CK we managed to make the most of limited capital this year, let’s not squander it just because it’s not as scare of a commodity next year.

 

[swingdog]

You are correct we do in fact have the capital next trade and draft period, however such a bounty is rare, therefore we need to make sure that we don't squander the opportunity and ensure that we not only spend it wisely, but also extract value from the draft capital.

Recent trade and draft history shows that the teams who don't maximise the value of their draft picks and trade opportunities, don't fare well - by way of example, look no further than Gold Coast who have regularly traded in players by paying overs by way of draft picks to land their player and simultaneously traded picks and players away at below market value.

Thats partially why Gold Coast finish each year out of the finals and sit permanently entrenched in no mans land.
Side note, hard to keep your better players when you never contend.

Conversely the BDE - Geelong do the very opposite they pay under's at the trade table and manage to extract overs when trading players out.

Now I am not for one minute advocating that we, on every deal, become total arseholes to trade with like Geelong.

But I think that it's imperative for us to improve and advance our quest up the ladder, that we do extract fair and equitable value when trading players in and out.

We did a very good job getting fair value for Barrass in the recent trade with Hawthorn.

I cant say the same with what we did with the Carlton/Richmond trade, because Clarke Kent, green behind the ears, didn't handle that part of trading at all well.

He will have eyes well and truely on him next trade period, mine included and I must say that I do feel uneasy about him going into next years trade and draft period, with the best hand of draft picks that we have had for a decade.

Make no mistake, next years trade and draft period looms as critical to determining and effecting, just how long we stay in the bottom half of the AFL Ladder.

Heard a discussion on a poidcast that the big draft hand can be a mixed blessing.

When a club knows the other has lots of capital and they will ask for all of it.

Our danger is making any commitments to players or appearing too keen. We need to be able to say "this is the offer" and be prepared to walk away, regardless of what we might have said to Warner.

Ideally, we want at least one high draft pick for a Rodriguez etc. Sydney will be trying to prise that loose.

 

[Mattman93]

Agree, though I don't think the Richmond/Carlton trade was a matter of Clarke being green and botching it, so much as the key decision makers as a whole valuing Baker way too highly and being prepared to pay up.

 

[stallon]

Whether we like it or not Chad is worth 2 early/mid firsts at a starting point. If a small utility like baker is worth 14 then a goal kicking mid capable of winning a brownlow will be expensive af. Similar to Baker, there is a link of nepotism between the clubs which means it'd be highly unlikely that we are ruthless

Baker wasnt worth 14 though, he was worth a late 1st which shouldve fallen in the 20s this year.

Bolton was worth roughly pick 10+14(simplified), the hawks 1st+ a 2026 f1 is still way more than Freo paid for Bolton

 

[stallon]

If I were Sydney, I’d want a very pick and a future pick.

They can have exclusively future picks then.
Whatever happens, the eagles 2025 1st round pick has to be held and used, we have plenty of other picks to make up the value

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

You are correct we do in fact have the capital next trade and draft period, however such a bounty is rare, therefore we need to make sure that we don't squander the opportunity and ensure that we not only spend it wisely, but also extract value from the draft capital.

Recent trade and draft history shows that the teams who don't maximise the value of their draft picks and trade opportunities, don't fare well - by way of example, look no further than Gold Coast who have regularly traded in players by paying overs by way of draft picks to land their player and simultaneously traded picks and players away at below market value.

Thats partially why Gold Coast finish each year out of the finals and sit permanently entrenched in no mans land.
Side note, hard to keep your better players when you never contend.

Conversely the BDE - Geelong do the very opposite they pay under's at the trade table and manage to extract overs when trading players out.

Now I am not for one minute advocating that we, on every deal, become total arseholes to trade with like Geelong.

But I think that it's imperative for us to improve and advance our quest up the ladder, that we do extract fair and equitable value when trading players in and out.

We did a very good job getting fair value for Barrass in the recent trade with Hawthorn.

I cant say the same with what we did with the Carlton/Richmond trade, because Clarke Kent, green behind the ears, didn't handle that part of trading at all well.

He will have eyes well and truely on him next trade period, mine included and I must say that I do feel uneasy about him going into next years trade and draft period, with the best hand of draft picks that we have had for a decade.

Make no mistake, next years trade and draft period looms as critical to determining and effecting, just how long we stay in the bottom half of the AFL Ladder.

Next year will give us options as to what we would offer for Warner

If we end up bottom 4, it would be that pick alone I would give up for Warner

If Hawks R1 was on offer, we would need more which could even be our F1

I sense the Baker Graham combo muddied it all. If we had agreed with both players and Tigers, then timing was the part that stuffed us. Plus those purples butted their Pavlich size nose into it all

 

[WCE777]

Personally I'd be taking Hutchinson and Dewar out of that list, adding Cole. HJ maybe move for a token pick if nothing is shown.

Hutch and Dewar have almost shown enough already to see they're going to be good.

100% on Hutchinson & Dewar.
Cole is best 22, Johnstone has shown more than enough to know he offers something.
Chesser is the next most likely to be delisted/traded if he stays the same, sell for a 3rd round pick.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

HJ maybe move for a token pick if nothing is shown.

Lol wut?

Very promising young player and seems a mentor amongst the new kids. Got a direct mention in Allan's presser.

 

[mat11]

Baker wasnt worth 14 though, he was worth a late 1st which shouldve fallen in the 20s this year.

Bolton was worth roughly pick 10+14(simplified), the hawks 1st+ a 2026 f1 is still way more than Freo paid for Bolton

Agree, he's a good player but a role player. Pick 14 should either be used to rebuild via the draft or used on someone a bit more influential

 

[Cornelius Roy]

If Allen were to leave this year I’d rather use two early firsts on Rodriguez, sharp or Greeves.

When combined with Reid and hopefully Hewett we’ve got a really strong midfield just missing a ruck.
Ginbey and Allan as strong HBFs rotating through and really good KPPs in JWill, archer and Shanahan and some promising upside in hall, dewar, hutch, long.

If swans don’t accept hawks r1 and our 2026 R1 we just take Curtin and set our spine.

Now we’re looking to just top up gaps and can have another crack at Chad in two years as a FA when we’re targeting a flag.

Most importantly we’re hoping swaddling lasts to a R2 pick for us.

If Reid is a certainty to go home we could do worse than broker a trade with Richmond next year and take Rodriguez and sharp with theirs and norths picks and broker a trade for Warner with our R1 and take Curtin with hawks R1.

 

[briztoon]

They can have exclusively future picks then.
Whatever happens, the eagles 2025 1st round pick has to be held and used, we have plenty of other picks to make up the value

No argument from me in regards to the bolded.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Some people on here are arguing that first round draft picks don't really matter. And that is not true at all. Not that any club will have anything near a 100% strike rate of success with them. The real strike rate is probably 60% as an average. But that doesn't make it true that first rounders don't matter.

And if you trade out multiple first rounders for a player then you either need to trade a player out to get some picks back in the following few years or you are putting real pressure on your footy department to nail every first rounder coming in the next few years and not make any mistakes. They need to hit 100% for the next few years so you are not selling the future to prop up the present.

And that is a big part of the story of our demise.

In 2016 we drafted Venables with our first rounder and in 2017 it was Brander. Both were busts.

Then in 2018 we split our first rounder and got Xaviour O'Neil and BW, and that at the moment is on the way to being a total bust.

Then we traded out of the first two rounds of two consecutive drafts in the Kelly trade.

Then we refused to consider trading any players out to get some picks back.

So there was enormous pressure on the footy department at that point to pull a rabbit out of a hat for the next several years in a row to compensate for Kelly trade and multiple first round busts on either side of it. And instead we got Chesser and Ginbey.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Some people on here are arguing that first round draft picks don't really matter. And that is not true at all. Not that any club will have anything near a 100% strike rate of success with them. The real strike rate is probably 60% as an average. But that doesn't make it true that first rounders don't matter.

And if you trade out multiple first rounders for a player then you either need to trade a player out to get some picks back in the following few years or you are putting real pressure on your footy department to nail every first rounder coming in the next few years and not make any mistakes. They need to hit 100% for the next few years so you are not selling the future to prop up the present.

And that is a big part of the story of our demise.

In 2016 we drafted Venables with our first rounder and in 2017 it was Brander. Both were busts.

Then in 2018 we split our first rounder and got Xaviour O'Neil and BW, and that at the moment is on the way to being a total bust.

Then we traded out of the first two rounds of two consecutive drafts in the Kelly trade.

Then we refused to consider trading any players out to get some picks back.

So there was enormous pressure on the footy department at that point to pull a rabbit out of a hat for the next several years in a row to compensate for Kelly trade and multiple first round busts on either side of it. And instead we got Chesser and Ginbey.

We’ve generated extra first rounders in two of the last three drafts, and an extra first rounder next year.

I think the club has shown they value first round draft picks, if not early first rounders.