Certified Legendary Thread 4th Test Border Gavaskar Trophy December 26-30 1000hrs @ the MCG

[Bucking Beads]

Abbott with a superb average of thirty in first class cricket is next in line for our test side. Mental but makes sense as he’s another of the NSW boys club Mafia.

 

[hawkman]

ashwin’ll likely go down as the best bowling all rounder, many, like mitch santner from NZ end up being a better bowler, ashwin still regularly made runs (and centuries) while being a dominating workhorse for india across the globe

In all the outlandish posts in this thread this might actually top it. Santner may end up being a better bowler than Ashwin! Wow

 

[Blightys Barrel]

Just in from the ICC. The official verdict on the Jaiswal dismissal. They have taken the footage from the Channel 7 replay and overlaid the Zapruder film.

It clearly shows the magic bullet taking the left side of the Kookaburra and causing the deflection. Now we can all move on

 

[greatwhiteshark]

This is a bit silly.

He knows how he feels, and that's about it. He doesn't know more than the physios or team docs do. Pretending that the scientists and doctors don't know more than the player themselves - when the player's health and condition is literally their entire ****ing job - is extremely silly.

If a doctor tells you you have cancer, you going to up and tell 'em, "Nope, I know how I feel, and I feel like I don't have cancer."?

Stupid example the cancer one. I have been a fast bowler and no doctor knows how I was feeling better than I did. Yes they can give you advice and make recommendations but they can’t tell you that you are to sure to okay unless you have told them you are to sure to play.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Just in from the ICC. The official verdict on the Jaiswal dismissal. They have taken the footage from the Channel 7 replay and overlaid the Zapruder film.

It clearly shows the magic bullet taking the left side of the Kookaburra and causing the deflection. Now we can all move on

Not the BCCI

 

[CakeEater]

His mates in the team and around the squad?

yep

 

[Stax on the mill]

Think its interesting that all the Victorians and NSW that matter want Marsh in

But I don’t.

 

[JackOutback]

Stupid example the cancer one. I have been a fast bowler and no doctor knows how I was feeling better than I did. Yes they can give you advice and make recommendations but they can’t tell you that you are to sure to okay unless you have told them you are to sure to play.

Athletes can’t be trusted to be objective in how they are feeling given their competitive nature, and the body can also be tricky, making you think it’s fine when it’s not. Yes, it can be difficult for a doctor or physio because they need the player to properly describe their condition. But listening to an athlete’s own prognosis over that of a doctor would be the height of stupidity.

 

[jannissary]

In all the outlandish posts in this thread this might actually top it. Santner may end up being a better bowler than Ashwin! Wow

in my defence i’ve been celebrating new years since 10am

 

[Borisdog]

Athletes can’t be trusted to be objective in how they are feeling given their competitive nature, and the body can also be tricky, making you think it’s fine when it’s not. Yes, it can be difficult for a doctor or physio because they need the player to properly describe their condition. But listening to an athlete’s own prognosis over that of a doctor would be the height of stupidity.

As is ignoring the Athlete's own prognosis.

Which has happened many times.

 

[Gethelred]

Stupid example the cancer one. I have been a fast bowler and no doctor knows how I was feeling better than I did.

Me too! Snap!

And the cancer issue is a pertinent one. Either you listen to the professionals/experts or you don't. Overruling them based on 'feels's is stupid. Ignorance for the sake of contrariness.

Yes they can give you advice and make recommendations but they can’t tell you that you are to sure to okay unless you have told them you are to sure to play.

They can absolutely tell you you're not fine. If you choose not to listen, it's on you if you get hurt. If a sports scientist tells you you have a counter rotation in your action that will result in spine issues and you go with what 'feels' right, you're gonna stick with what you're doing and you're going to have spine issues because what 'feels' right is that counter rotation.

In the end, I'm sure the players have a disproportionate amount of power in making that decision. The money goes where it goes; a lack of diplomacy (telling the talent what they're not interested in hearing) could lead to people losing their positions. But ignoring expertise is a larger problem than just a cricket one, even if this is a manifestation of precisely that.

 

[Bedi]

Got serious test cricket withdrawals today. I have been fortunate to have attended some memorable test matches over the years, but this was one of the very best. Glad there's only a few days wait till Sydney.

 

[010203]

Navjot Singh Sidhu, fresh out of jail, weighs in

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I initially thought it was a weird celebration but then Cummins explained it and it all makes sense.

 

[Cleavy]

Navjot Singh Sidhu, fresh out of jail, weighs in

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oh, that campaigner!

 

[balmainforever]

Richardson has been declared fit

Isn’t he playing for the scorches tonight?

 

[greening22]

McDonald.... difficult decisions need to be made about Marsh or you only drop players with a couple games experience.

Marsh out. ANYONE else in.

Must be Beau Webster. Moreover we will not know his potential unless he is given an opportunity. Last season - 2023/24 - he topped the Shield batting averages at 58 & he took 30 wickets at 29. Must be next in line given Marsh's lack of form & inability to bowl enough overs at an appropriate pace so as to give the front-line bowlers a decent break during a game.

 

[greening22]

I wonder what Australia will do then for our third pace option assuming they will play at least two frontline spinners. Marsh looks done but at least he has some subcontinent experience compared to Webster. I can't imagine Australia debuting anyone that isn't a spinner over there.

If they were smart they would debut Webster next week but can't see them dropping Marsh.

And is Maxwell a chance of getting recalled for Sri Lanka? I read it somewhere a few months back but was unsure whether it was actually true.

Webster bowls both medium pace as well as off spin. He should be more than adequate for the 2 Sri Lankan Test matches.

 

[Torz]

Not necessarily disagreeing, but out of interest who would you have as the five ahead of him.

Lyon
Murphy
Kuhnemann
Rocchiocioli
Swepson

 

[Gavin Excell]

Got serious test cricket withdrawals today. I have been fortunate to have attended some memorable test matches over the years, but this was one of the very best. Glad there's only a few days wait till Sydney.

Have to say, credit to Indian supporters
Love their cricket and make this series something special

 

[Lunchtime]

Most Runs in a Calendar Year in Test Cricket by an Opening Batsman - Top 20

Graeme Smith - 2008
1656 @ 72.00 (25 innings)

Michael Vaughan - 2002
1481 @ 61.70 (26 innings)

Justin Langer - 2004
1481 @ 54.85 (27 innings)

YASHASVI JAISWAL - 2024
1478 @ 54.74 (29 innings)

Verinder Sehwag - 2008
1462 @ 56.23 (27 innings)

Verinder Sehwag - 2010
1422 @ 61.82 (25 innings)

Sunil Gavaskar - 1979
1407 @ 54.11 (26 innings)

Matthew Hayden - 2001
1391 @ 63.22 (25 innings)

Matthew Hayden - 2005
1380 @ 53.07 (29 innings)

Dennis Amiss - 1974
1379 @ 68.95 (22 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2015
1364 @ 54.56 (26 innings)

Marcus Trescothick - 2005
1323 @ 55.12 (24 innings)

David Warner - 2015
1317 @ 54.87 (24 innings)

Matthew Hayden - 2003
1312 @ 77.17 (21 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2010
1287 @ 58.50 (14 innings)

Graham Gooch - 1990
1264 @ 79.00 (17 innings)

Bob Simpson - 1964
1261 @ 63.05 (21 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2012
1249 @ 48.03 (29 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2016
1221 @ 40.70 (32 innings)

Mark Taylor - 1989
1219 @ 64.15 (20 innings)

 

[RookiePick]

The Indian melts have been delicious.

Saltiest supporter base going around

 

[Seeds]

Most Runs in a Calendar Year in Test Cricket by an Opening Batsman - Top 20

Graeme Smith - 2008
1656 @ 72.00 (25 innings)

Michael Vaughan - 2002
1481 @ 61.70 (26 innings)

Justin Langer - 2004
1481 @ 54.85 (27 innings)

YASHASVI JAISWAL - 2024
1478 @ 54.74 (29 innings)

Verinder Sehwag - 2008
1462 @ 56.23 (27 innings)

Verinder Sehwag - 2010
1422 @ 61.82 (25 innings)

Sunil Gavaskar - 1979
1407 @ 54.11 (26 innings)

Matthew Hayden - 2001
1391 @ 63.22 (25 innings)

Matthew Hayden - 2005
1380 @ 53.07 (29 innings)

Dennis Amiss - 1974
1379 @ 68.95 (22 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2015
1364 @ 54.56 (26 innings)

Marcus Trescothick - 2005
1323 @ 55.12 (24 innings)

David Warner - 2015
1317 @ 54.87 (24 innings)

Matthew Hayden - 2003
1312 @ 77.17 (21 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2010
1287 @ 58.50 (14 innings)

Graham Gooch - 1990
1264 @ 79.00 (17 innings)

Bob Simpson - 1964
1261 @ 63.05 (21 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2012
1249 @ 48.03 (29 innings)

Alistair Cook - 2016
1221 @ 40.70 (32 innings)

Mark Taylor - 1989
1219 @ 64.15 (20 innings)

Bit of a pointless list as its mostly just openers who get more and full innings.

 

[eddiesmith]

On trusting a bowlers word that they’re fit to play, Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood come out every series saying they don’t want to ever miss a test match. Gee, I wonder what they say if asked if they’re fit to play…

Anyone watching saw Starc in serious pain every time he bowled in Melbourne and besides, his record in Sydney isn’t worth playing him anyway!

 

[Lunchtime]

Bit of a pointless list as its mostly just openers who get more and full innings.

It's ONLY openers.

 

[PhatBoy]

Bit of a pointless list as its mostly just openers who get more and full innings.

That’s why its ‘most runs by openers.’

If it was just runs in a calendar year there are a few figures conspicuous by their absence like Richards and Mo Yousuf etc