2025 Federal Election: A Pox o' Both Your Houses

[samFFC]

Labors announcement on 5% deposit on houses for young people is just as average as Liberals dip into your super

Wont address the issue, Will drive up prices, Doesnt Really tackle the issue.

Fair, but they also announced 100,000 homes new builds, and specifically for first home owners.
I think more could be done on supply, but that is a good move.

The 5% no LMI is more to reflect rising house prices, where a typical home deposit no longer gets you to 20%.
It wouldn’t push people into a much higher price bracket, or provide much upward pressure, as it only affects one group of buyers, and will be within a similar range of prices.

 

[samFFC]

Re read my posts again.

I can't believe this even news (like a lot of things).

No one should GAF, seriously the media ARE chump obsessed, why?Coz it's revenue for them because dumb cucks make such a big deal about it on platforms like this.

Price says maga and wears a maga hat "ooohh scary!!!!" or 'how dare she'

Lol, Whoopdy phuqin do.

Was more referring to this one.

I guess, it is a bit scary, given how seemingly willing some in the LNP are to sell out Aus to Trump.

There is some overt stuff (eg Hastie, Taylor), and then a lot of suspicion, so stuff like this shows that suspicion is well founded, rather than jumping at shadows.

 

[samFFC]

Yeah I know that, just gonna have to do some homework on those running in my seat I guess, which is what I meant.

Apologies I wasn't clear.

Looks like you've got Labor, Liberal, Green, One Nation, and Legalise Cannabis. Not actually too complicated if you aren't sure.

Like we've said, if you put Liberal in 5th, that's how you "keep the spud out". Doesn't matter where your 1-4 go.

In addition to this, worth mentioning the Senate/Upper House, too.

Part of the confusion about preference flows (“where does my vote go?”) previously has been that the Senate used to have a “vote 1 above the line”, where your 1 vote would go to that party, but then the preferences would flow based on party room deals, to make a “Full Preferential” vote.

The rules changed a few years back and now it is “Optional Preferential” Voting, which means you need to allocate parties 1-6, but can stop there, without allocating to all listed parties.

The main issue if you have a specific party you wish to oppose, is that your vote may “end” if you only preference 6 minor parties. They will get your vote, but once they’ve been eliminated in the counting, then there is no where to allocate that preference.

So I would recommend you at least put one of ALP, Liberals and/or Nationals, in your Senate vote (either in your 1-6, or as your 7th, or whichever number you wish to vote). That way it will “park” at one of the major parties and will work against the other one.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Was more referring to this one.

I guess, it is a bit scary, given how seemingly willing some in the LNP are to sell out Aus to Trump.

There is some overt stuff (eg Hastie, Taylor), and then a lot of suspicion, so stuff like this shows that suspicion is well founded, rather than jumping at shadows.

This will never happen, yeah I know they want to (to some extent) but we have guard rails that won't let their policies through i:e this stupid public servant policy or the nuclear policy.

As I've posted earlier, this is not chump america, trutton will not be allowed to force his policies through. We have adults in parliarment.

 

[Carringbush2010]

In addition to this, worth mentioning the Senate/Upper House, too.

Part of the confusion about preference flows (“where does my vote go?”) previously has been that the Senate used to have a “vote 1 above the line”, where your 1 vote would go to that party, but then the preferences would flow based on party room deals, to make a “Full Preferential” vote.

The rules changed a few years back and now it is “Optional Preferential” Voting, which means you need to allocate parties 1-6, but can stop there, without allocating to all listed parties.

The main issue if you have a specific party you wish to oppose, is that your vote may “end” if you only preference 6 minor parties. They will get your vote, but once they’ve been eliminated in the counting, then there is no where to allocate that preference.

So I would recommend you at least put one of ALP, Liberals and/or Nationals, in your Senate vote (either in your 1-6, or as your 7th, or whichever number you wish to vote). That way it will “park” at one of the major parties and will work against the other one.

Thanks Sam!

This is very helpful, I just can't put the libs or one nat anything but last on my ballot though. Torn who to put last, (probably lnp)

 

[samFFC]

Thanks Sam!

This is very helpful, I just can't put the libs or one nat anything but last on my ballot though. Torn who to put last, (probably lnp)

Absolutely.

In lower house, Libs last.

In upper house, just have to put Labor at some point. Don’t have to pick Libs or Nats at all

 

[Saint]

Don't disagree, but if one thinks that the lnp could possibly implement their fashy wishes they don't have all their marbles.

-Would require a majority lnp govt., highly unlikely
-Even then their fashy wishes would not get through the senate, this ain't chumps america.

It's not really true.

You don't need both houses for Ministers to tell Dep Secs to sack 30% of their staff in every Department. You just need to be the sworn-in Minister. It doesn't need a law to pass.

What's the mechanism for punishing a Minister for not achieving the goals of each Department because they sacked too many people for them to function.

 

[Gough]

Even the AFR can't believe how bad Spud's policy is.

Dutton is pursuing a housing subsidy so bad, even Trump killed it

The policy is highly regressive, and will simply boost house prices and blow a huge hole in the personal income tax base that will never be recovered.

www.afr.com

 

[Seeds]

there is a lot of waste in Canberra and thousands of jobs should be cut especially at senior levels but all those cuts and the need to get rid of more consultants should fund the tens of thousands of aps6 and below public servants needed outside canberra

The waste is far more to do with inefficient and pooly targetted policies that have been implemented in the past by both parties and not in the number of workers on the public pay roll.

 

[Seeds]

Even the AFR can't believe how bad Spud's policy is.

Dutton is pursuing a housing subsidy so bad, even Trump killed it

The policy is highly regressive, and will simply boost house prices and blow a huge hole in the personal income tax base that will never be recovered.

www.afr.com

But will gen z and millenials trying to get into the housing market care? Or will they just want the money.

 

[Rotayjay]

Early (as opposed to postal) voting may favour Labor if the polls are good for Labor now and they tighten as election day nears. The actual election effectively begins shortly.

 

[Saint]

For both parties to be throwing out such ridiculous policies which make no economic sense, but really only targeted at young people, suggests to me that their polling in under 40's must be atrocious.

I really think this election will see the number of non-duopoly MPs and Senators increase again in a meaningful way. All the apartments being filled with under 40's who really want a house, but living in inner-city apartments are very hard to win over. You can't mention lowering house prices without giving the Boomers (and 45+ voters) a fit.

I think the whole Price saying "MAGA" then Dutton pretending he doesn't like it was also a call to people thinking of leaving the LNP to the right, to ON or Colostomy of Patriots. He's hinting to them that he's still on their side wink-wink.

The duopoly are collectively desperate and equally inadequate at providing any real CoL or Housing affordability relief.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

This is so true
Conservatives of 20 years ago would be horrified to see their party have no policies other than culture wars

It's the logical outcome of the policies that Howard and Costello brought in 20 years ago. Howard is still wheeled out for the Liberal campaigns, so he's clearly comfortable with the direction the party has taken under his successors (unlike Malcolm Fraser, who resigned his membership and made it crystal clear that the Liberal Party was not the same party that he led).

Petro Georgiou would be horrified, but he'd be in the minority.

 

[Gavin Excell]

For both parties to be throwing out such ridiculous policies which make no economic sense, but really only targeted at young people, suggests to me that their polling in under 40's must be atrocious.

I really think this election will see the number of non-duopoly MPs and Senators increase again in a meaningful way. All the apartments being filled with under 40's who really want a house, but living in inner-city apartments are very hard to win over. You can't mention lowering house prices without giving the Boomers (and 45+ voters) a fit.

I think the whole Price saying "MAGA" then Dutton pretending he doesn't like it was also a call to people thinking of leaving the LNP to the right, to ON or Colostomy of Patriots. He's hinting to them that he's still on their side wink-wink.

The duopoly are collectively desperate and equally inadequate at providing any real CoL or Housing affordability relief.

The thing is when the lose, the usual suspects will come out and say they haven't gone far right enough

 

[Dixie Flatline]

I feel like I'm going crazy watching this campaign.

We've got our top political journos in the country like David Speers perpetuating this notion that "what about me?!" as an adequate response to any policy proposal. Jesus Christ, we live in a society.

And I'm reading up on these idiotic housing policies that do nothing to solve the root causes of overpricing and undersupply (ie. housing as investment, not as tier 1 human need), and are in the medium-to-long term only going to worsen those issues.

What the hell are we doing? We have politicians who are too ****ing cowardly to make any genuine reforms around housing, tax or industrial relations, we just get these moronic short term sugar hits that cut swathes out of the budget while doing nothing to resolve the issue.

I'm losing my mind.

The fact that Speers is regarded as a "top political journalist" is an indication of just how far political journalism has fallen in this country.

The only truly decent journalist with any mainstream voice now is Laura Tingle. I'd listen to Laura talk politics for hours. The rest of the political journalists in this country aren't fit to shine the shoes of the likes of Barrie Cassidy, Malcolm Farr, Michelle Grattan, Peter Harvey (RIP), George Megalogenis, Laurie Oakes, Kerry O'Brien, Matt Peacock (RIP). Heck, before he went super right wing, Andrew Bolt was decent. I know Farr and Grattan still contribute to journalism, but their reach is much more limited than it used to be.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Amelia Hamer's statement to the Australian Christian Lobby about her values. Again, it will play well in the super conservative areas of Kooyong, but won't win her many votes in other parts of the seat (especially in the parts of the seat that were formerly part of Higgins).

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Seems to be a coordinated statement, as Keith Wolahan (member for Menzies) submitted the same statement, word for word, to the ACL.

 

[Gough]

Maybe they could force trans people to get id tattoos.

 

[Saint]

Vague enough to try not to upset anybody, and will therefore end up upsetting everybody who wants them to take more extreme positions.

I can just see the MAGAs saying "what do you mean: 'a small group who are interesex or indeterminate'"?

Why is it so hard to say a rise in "racism" instead of a rise in "anti-semitism"?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Vague enough to try not to upset anybody, and will therefore end up upsetting everybody who wants them to take more extreme positions.

I can just see the MAGAs saying "what do you mean: 'a small group who are interesex or indeterminate'"?

Why is it so hard to say a rise in "racism" instead of a rise in "anti-semitism"?

Yes I'm not sure what sort of voter would be impressed by those watered-down half acknowledgements.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It's not really true.

You don't need both houses for Ministers to tell Dep Secs to sack 30% of their staff in every Department. You just need to be the sworn-in Minister. It doesn't need a law to pass.

What's the mechanism for punishing a Minister for not achieving the goals of each Department because they sacked too many people for them to function.

You maybe right, would've thought and I could be wrong but to implement policy it isn't just up to a minister to sign it off.

May as well just have trutton sign off executive orders chump style, why have a senate at all to pass bills then?

 

[Saint Shags]

Australia election 2025 live: Dutton’s son tells press conference he can’t afford a house; Albanese picks Adelaide to host 2026 climate conference

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Gee they are trying to play the majority of voters as fools.

 

[beez]

Amelia Hamer's statement to the Australian Christian Lobby about her values. Again, it will play well in the super conservative areas of Kooyong, but won't win her many votes in other parts of the seat (especially in the parts of the seat that were formerly part of Higgins).

Wow. What a load of crap. I actually find that offensive.

I can't wait to not only put Dr Ryan first, but to put Hamer last.

 

[kalex6251]

Australia election 2025 live: Dutton’s son tells press conference he can’t afford a house; Albanese picks Adelaide to host 2026 climate conference

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Gee they are trying to play the majority of voters as fools.

in years past, werent conservatives waxing lyrical about using the bank of mum and dad ..... lurch is a bit of an ar$e if his kids cant call on his millions

 

[Carn The Berries]

Vague enough to try not to upset anybody, and will therefore end up upsetting everybody who wants them to take more extreme positions.

I can just see the MAGAs saying "what do you mean: 'a small group who are interesex or indeterminate'"?

Why is it so hard to say a rise in "racism" instead of a rise in "anti-semitism"?

Because the people that "anti-semitism" is directed at couldn't give a flying f*** that the same thing is happening to Muslims.