List Mgmt. 2024 List management Discussion

[Mat Mann]

This is solely for list management discussion, Trades discussion goes in the trade thread, and Draft prospect discussion goes in it's relevant thread.

Spoiler: Draft Order

Spoiler: Contract Status

Name Final Year Years Service* Status Angus Hastie 2025 2 Unknown Angus McLennan 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Anthony Caminiti 2026 4 Non-Free Agent Arie Schoenmaker 2025 2 Unknown Ben Paton 2024 7 Non-Free Agent Brad Crouch 2025 5 Non-Free Agent Bradley Hill 2027 8 Restricted Free Agent Callum Wilkie 2027 9 Restricted Free Agent Cooper Sharman 2024 4 Non-Free Agent Daniel Butler 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Darcy Wilson 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Dougal Howard 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Hugo Garcia 2025 2 Unknown Hunter Clark 2025 8 Restricted Free Agent Isaac Keeler 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Jack Hayes 2024 3 Non-Free Agent Jack Higgins 2027 7 Non-Free Agent Jack Sinclair 2027 13 Unrestricted Free Agent Jack Steele 2027 11 Unrestricted Free Agent James Van Es 2024 2 DELISTED Jimmy Webster 2024 13 Unrestricted Free Agent Josh Battle 2024 8 UFA - leaving for Hawthorn Lance Collard 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Liam Henry 2027 4 Non-Free Agent Liam O'Connell 2025 2 Unknown Liam Stocker 2024 2 Unrestricted Free Agent Marcus Windhager 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Mason Wood 2024 4 UFA + 3 years (2027) Mattaes Phillipou 2026 4 Non-Free Agent Matthew Allison 2024 4 DELISTED Max Hall 2025 2 Non-Free Agent Max Heath 2024 4 Non-Free Agent Max King 2026 8 Restricted Free Agent Mitchito Owens 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Olli Hotton 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Paddy Dow 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Riley Bonner 2024 1 DELISTED Rowan Marshall 2027 11 Unrestricted Free Agent Ryan Byrnes 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Sebastian Ross 2024 13 DELISTED Tim Membrey 2024 10 Unrestricted Free Agent Tom Campbell 2024 3 DELISTED Zaine Cordy 2025 3 Non-Free Agent Zak Jones 2024 5 Non-Free Agent * Years service at end of contract.

Spoiler: Trade/Draft periods

Free Agency - Friday, October 4 and will run until Friday, October 11.
Trade Period - Monday, October 7 and will run until Wednesday, October 16.
National Draft - Round One - Wednesday, November 20 followed by the remaining rounds of the
National Draft - The rest - Thursday, November 21.
Rookie and Pre-Season Draft - Friday, November 22.

 

[Jesuswasacarpenter]

It's pretty cool that a URF agent could net the club B1 compo, it is usually only RFA that achieve that for their club
Has a URFA triggers B1 compo for their club?

 

[moirae42]

This is a real sliding doors moment.

 

[gringo2011]

Battle barracked for the Hawks as a kid, & offered more dosh Josh, a no brainer, I suppose.
Bloody sad though, one of my favs too. A real Battler.

Took less apparently

 

[gringo2011]

According to…?

And if it’s true, means he was never going to stay at the Saints whatever we offered him, and it wasn’t about financial security for his family. His mind obviously was made up, and nothing we could have done about it, so not worth worrying about it.

After we dangled him. Loyal to teammates not the club.

 

[Diehard Saint]

After we dangled him. Loyal to teammates not the club.

Sorry? Loyal to team mates? But left them.
What is this dangling? He’s a free agent. You think his manager wasn’t looking around as well?
I’m sorry if his feelings were hurt - but you play a professional sport. Both club and player are looking out for what’s best for themselves.

And if it’s true he took a lesser offer after spouting about doing the best for his family, then he was always going to go.
Good luck to him. It’s his decision. We will survive.

 

[sauce_head]

I just stated my opinion actually - I think what he's reportedly been offered is far greater than he's worth and I think anyone would take it. Speaking of facts - did we offer him $100k more? Does that cost us first round? Or was it a counter-offer to keep the hawks honest and ensure our compensation?



You've had one post deleted because you circumvented the swear filter. Keep moderating discussions and questions to PMs going forward please

Exactly. Hence my “not sure your facts are correct”. Fair enough if opinion. I don’t know what the facts are either, but I find it quizzical that people seem desperate to be happy with him leaving. Perhaps I’m just too old to expect sacrifice for loyalty.

Noted re swear filter. I’ll filter less next time

 

[sauce_head]

As a footy player at senior AFL level, I think I would want to be playing with the Hawks right now. They were behind us, caught up, and now in front of us. They stuck with Mitchell as coach while he was working on a game style that didn't always work and they won some and lost some- same as when Clarkson started at the Hawks. The club backed them through heavy losses and some wins, and tweaked the list to get it right.

In contrast to us- we have a couple of heavy losses under a coach who got us into the finals, and the president cracks the sh*ts and wants another coach to the point of dragging an ex coach out of retirement for big money. This is the St Kilda way of doing things, and it has failed us time after time, and will again. Good luck to Josh and thanks for your work.

You might want to contrast the amount of games Hawthron’s new coach has coached, and StKilda’s new coach has coached, in reference to your so called “contrast”.

I also note that you have circumvented the swear filter. Uh oh! Hubnester

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Took less apparently

Well, he's done a disservice to us in many ways then. Good riddance.

 

[Premium]

Sorry? Loyal to team mates? But left them.
What is this dangling? He’s a free agent. You think his manager wasn’t looking around as well?
I’m sorry if his feelings were hurt - but you play a professional sport. Both club and player are looking out for what’s best for themselves.

And if it’s true he took a lesser offer after spouting about doing the best for his family, then he was always going to go.
Good luck to him. It’s his decision. We will survive.

The club turned him into a very good player , I fully expect Brett Ratten would of been in Battles ear to jump ship.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Cruel to know that Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

acquired band 1, but Battle might not.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

This thread needs more Yipper

 

[Nutsngum]

Some people in the media are saying its as little as 50k difference.

In other words, they all actually have no idea at all. Hell, none of them had any definite idea of what the outcome was going to be even yesterday.

The media get their information almost exclusively from player managers (outside of leaky places like the demons atm) who will drop ballpark figures to influence the deals they are attempting to get over the line.

As soon as that deal is reached they are not going to be offering any more information unless their client says they can and when the contracts are actually signed they will have confidentiality agreements. This is why no one in the media can ever give actual specific dollar values, they can only do a best educated guess.

 

[ScrappyDo]

As a footy player at senior AFL level, I think I would want to be playing with the Hawks right now. They were behind us, caught up, and now in front of us. They stuck with Mitchell as coach while he was working on a game style that didn't always work and they won some and lost some- same as when Clarkson started at the Hawks. The club backed them through heavy losses and some wins, and tweaked the list to get it right.

In contrast to us- we have a couple of heavy losses under a coach who got us into the finals, and the president cracks the sh*ts and wants another coach to the point of dragging an ex coach out of retirement for big money. This is the St Kilda way of doing things, and it has failed us time after time, and will again. Good luck to Josh and thanks for your work.

Yeah, umm, well, that bit there about half way down where you're sort of trying to make out that Brett Ratten wasn't shit, but you're sort of skipping over all the shit and then hanging your own shit onto the club based on the shit you're trying to make up. That there is why you have no credibility. The couple of gooses that liked your post were gringo and a hawks supporter. I'm gringo was just appreciating the art form though.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

First crack at 2025, round 1, team 23

B. Houston Howard Wilkie

H.B. Hastie Tomlinson Sinclair

C. NWM Phillipou Wilson

H.F. Butler Caminiti Henry

F. Higgins Sharman King

Foll. Marshall Steele Crouch

I/C. Clark, Hill, Jones, Wood, Dow-sub

Emerg. Garcia, Heath, Owens, Windhager

 

[gringo2011]

This thread needs more Yipper

Is that Joffa’s dog?

 

[seasonedsainter]

As a footy player at senior AFL level, I think I would want to be playing with the Hawks right now. They were behind us, caught up, and now in front of us. They stuck with Mitchell as coach while he was working on a game style that didn't always work and they won some and lost some- same as when Clarkson started at the Hawks. The club backed them through heavy losses and some wins, and tweaked the list to get it right.

In contrast to us- we have a couple of heavy losses under a coach who got us into the finals, and the president cracks the sh*ts and wants another coach to the point of dragging an ex coach out of retirement for big money. This is the St Kilda way of doing things, and it has failed us time after time, and will again. Good luck to Josh and thanks for your work.

I hope when we win a Flag you don't get to enjoy it.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Best for the family doesn't necessarily mean more money
Especially when you are already on over half a mill in your hand per year for at least 4 or 5 years

It could be education, property, work for family, anything

 

[Captain Paddy]

First crack at 2025, round 1, team 23

B. Huston Howard Wilkie

H.B. Hastie Tomlinson Sinclair

C. NWM Phillipou Wilson

H.F. Butler Caminiti Henry

F. Higgins Sharman King

Foll. Marshall Steele Crouch

I/C. Clark, Hill, Jones, Wood, Dow-sub

Emerg. Garcia, Heath, Owens, Windhager

Windhager and Owens emergencies wtf

 

[snails13]

This thread needs more Yipper

And less Yapper

 

[botts]

He signed on a 6 year deal, the afl only take into consideration 5. So if it is 850 then all we need them to do is front end it and it bumps the 5 over 900. Band one.

 

[Saints43]

The club turned him into a very good player , I fully expect Brett Ratten would of been in Battles ear to jump ship.

Maybe Ratts enticed Josh with more wing time.

 

[Remboy]

He signed on a 6 year deal, the afl only take into consideration 5. So if it is 850 then all we need them to do is front end it and it bumps the 5 over 900. Band one.

One of the rumours floating around was that Hawthorn's offer was front ended (think it was from a Hawks supporter). If so that would work in our favour re band one

 

[Remboy]

Maybe Ratts enticed Josh with more wing time.

Nah, more ruck time.

 

[botts]

One of the rumours floating around was that Hawthorn's offer was front ended (think it was from a Hawks supporter). If so that would work in our favour re band one

His manager would have been working with us. Not sure who else is in his camp but you would think a couple would have be at the saints.

 

[Saintbloke]

I hope when we win a Flag you don't get to enjoy it.

I enjoyed the '66 flag..cheers