Game Day 2024 Draftmatmas live celebration and melt thread

[SMILLIE]

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Can get 8 for Jagga on SB. Feel like he should be shorter

 

[Morro]

For those focusing on the rising star awards

Just remember Andrew Raines finished second in the 2006 rising star ahead of:
-Marc Murphy
-Heath Shaw
-Grant Birchall
-Dale Thomas
-Nathan Jones
-Marc LeCras
-Michael Rischitelli

In fairness, Raines projected to be a freakin gun early. I remember a game played FB on Mark Roo in adelaide and towelled him.

 

[Punt Road Feral]

In fairness, Raines projected to be a freakin gun early. I remember a game played FB on Mark Roo in adelaide and towelled him.

Had no problems rebounding the ball out of D50 but butchered it by foot which was a killer off HBF in a terrible side.
Ended up being a tagger at the Lions due to his deficiencies and I can't forget when Cotch got right in his face after a late goal up at the GABBA.

 

[Dr Tigris]

In fairness, Raines projected to be a freakin gun early. I remember a game played FB on Mark Roo in adelaide and towelled him.

Was great at a few things. So looked fantastic early on. But then we found out that was all he had. Never developed further. Still had a decent career.

 

[Wooden Robot]

In fairness, Raines projected to be a freakin gun early. I remember a game played FB on Mark Roo in adelaide and towelled him.

I can recall the outcry on here, begging for him to be moved to the midfield.
They eventually did, re Geelong, when they belted us by 157 in 2007.
Shortlived.

 

[Barnzy]

Josh Smillie at $13 is a good bet as is langford's $12

Jagga has rising star locked up if he stays healthy.

He will have the best stats and the media will froth over his numbers

 

[tiger_tough]

Jagga has rising star locked up if he stays healthy.

He will have the best stats and the media will froth over his numbers

100%. Will average 25+ and be labelled the next big thing.

 

[Barnzy]

100%. Will average 25+ and be labelled the next big thing.

Is going to be a very good player.

If I had to pick one that won't live up the hype it will be FOS. I know people on this board were obsessed with him.

Have my reasons. Mostly that the performances weren't there and guys that struggle to win the ball at junior level is a huge red flag. Everyone around picked around him have elite traits to fall back on - Lalor power/forward craft, Smillie size, Draper speed, Jagga natural ball winning who outperformed FOS in most games. FOS does everything well but not amazing.

I could be very wrong but happy to stand on that and see how it plays out.

 

[THE_GUN]

Is going to be a very good player.

If I had to pick one that won't live up the hype it will be FOS. I know people on this board were obsessed with him.

Have my reasons. Mostly that the performances weren't there and guys that struggle to win the ball at junior level is a huge red flag. Everyone around picked around him have elite traits to fall back on - Lalor power/forward craft, Smillie size, Draper speed, Jagga natural ball winning who outperformed FOS in most games. FOS does everything well but not amazing.

I could be very wrong but happy to stand on that and see how it plays out.

FOS has speed agility and leap and is a very good player with great footy iq
he will be a player

 

[Barnzy]

FOS has speed agility and leap and is a very good player with great footy iq
he will be a player

FOS is not that fast. Agree he has a great side step and leap.

Often think he overdoes the side step and gets himself intro trouble. And there was always some excuse for him.

I just think the Jagga stuff is overplayed and people ignored red flags in FOS games when he's fading in and out of these games. We will see.

 

[THE_GUN]

FOS is not that fast. Agree he has a great side step and leap.

Often think he overdoes the side step and gets himself intro trouble. And there was always some excuse

I just think the Jagga stuff is overplayed and people ignored red flags in FOS junior game when he's fading in and out of games. We will see.

Well he did get a sub 3.00 seconds in the 20mtr spring and has the tank with a 6.20 2klm time

 

[Barnzy]

Well he did get a sub 3.00 seconds in the 20mtr spring and has the tank with a 6.20 2klm time

He right around 3 secs. 2.989. Don't think that was in the top 10-15 at the combine. So wouldn't say fast but not slow either.

Has long strides with long legs so his movement is deceptive. His playstyle is definitely aesthetically pleasing

 

[THE_GUN]

He right around 3 secs. 2.989. Don't think that was in the top 10-15 at the combine. So wouldn't say fast but not slow either.

Has long strides with long legs so his movement is deceptive. His playstyle is definitely aesthetically pleasing

If we look back in past drafts the fastest top 10 players usually dont become great footballers
He speed is fantastic and no problem , His agility and leap is also great

Kid has all the physical traits to become a great player now its all upto his development and luck

 

[sportshow]

Jagga won't get the opportunity in the midfield like our kids will/might ....

 

[Barnzy]

If we look back in past drafts the fastest top 10 players usually dont become great footballers
He speed is fantastic and no problem , His agility and leap is also great

Kid has all the physical traits to become a great player now its all upto his development and luck

Not debating his worth based off speed. I'm just stating he's not that fast if he's testing at fringe 3 seconds.

The more concerning thing is he's testing well in 2k time trial so his fitness is fine but then he's struggling to find the ball and gain over 20 disposals a game against other kids. This points to a lack of natural ball winning, not knowing where to run, etc. Usually that translates to AFL in a negative way.

So because he's a low possession winner people started saying crazy things like "oh but he has more impact with 20 than Jagga does with 40".

Again, happy to see how it plays out and I'm not saying he's bad player. I'm just of the general view I was happy to skip FOS at #1. Too many question marks.

 

[DickieKnee]

Jagga and FOS don't play for us. If they make it or not

 

[Coach_Required]

Jagga and FOS don't play for us. If they make it or not
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Carlton hype train won't let Smith be a fail, they will stick him behind the ball getting cheap kicks and 0 metres gained and we will still get told how he is better than Diacos.

FOS - i wasnt a fan, glad we didnt get sucked into trading for pick 2. However, RATD was a big fan and most of his picks for us were close enough to the mark.

 

[lumpinee]

the key to a clubs rise is and always will be the coach,not only have to be driven but youve got to have the ability,time will tell

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Is going to be a very good player.

If I had to pick one that won't live up the hype it will be FOS. I know people on this board were obsessed with him.

Have my reasons. Mostly that the performances weren't there and guys that struggle to win the ball at junior level is a huge red flag. Everyone around picked around him have elite traits to fall back on - Lalor power/forward craft, Smillie size, Draper speed, Jagga natural ball winning who outperformed FOS in most games. FOS does everything well but not amazing.

I could be very wrong but happy to stand on that and see how it plays out.

None of the top six were without question marks. Possibly Draper


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[Moppey]

Reckon we will look back and regret not taking one more of the gun smalls in Berry, Datolli, etc instead of that one extra tall.

In hindsight if it's me I'm skipping Faull for Berry who I view as the next Dylan Moore and happy with just Armstrong and Simms. They've gone a shotgun approach. I guess it is what it is.

If I had to guess the draft just fell a certain way. They went Faull early to guarantee him as their favourite guy. They knew Trainor would slide. Then they got to 23 and were like "Armstrong is still on the board??" And had to take him as they rated him earlier. Then at the Simms pick all the good smalls were gone anyways.

For me it was Allan or Reid instead of Faull who i still think would have got to pick 21 or 23.

 

[Barnzy]

For me it was Allan or Reid instead of Faull who i still think would have got to pick 21 or 23.

I'm not a huge Murphy Reid fan. Have stated that before. That lack of acceleration at AFL level is going to hurt him. He's also small and not a physical player. He struggled to apply defensive pressure at under 18 level. I think he'll be a solid, crafty half forward with his smarts and skill. But you don't spend a top 10 pick on that and he went about where I would have him.

Not saying it will turn out this way but if you go back and watch a Sonsie draft video you could be mistaken for thinking you're watching Reid. Their physical traits and size is similar. Similar numbers in the Coates League even down to the lack of tackling (Reid stepped up in the champs and has better endurance so likely a better player).

Bo Allan I think there is something more to that. Every single report from every source was Richmond were hot into him and even in the pick 6 discussion. It gets to pick 10 and we don't pick him. We met with him right before the draft. If I had to guess he likely told us and other Melbourne clubs not to pick him. I am also not his biggest fan due to his rawness and foot skills so I am not fussed about it but he has a higher upside than Reid IMO.

 

[Pattiger]

Its all about development know !!

Who are our development coaches , We should be bringing in good specialist and development coaches to get these kids the best start possible.

Who knows what players like Tambling, Pattison and meyer would have become if drafted to a team like hawks or Geelong
Lets not make the same mistakes again and give the kids the best possible opportunity to succeed

Be Great if Neil Balme was employed as a Consultant - still has a lot to offer - Premierships follow him !

 

[Pattiger]

List needs. To address them you need just two things imo. Enough for both teams including development. Enough quality for each need at varying stages of development. Pretty simple really.

My biggest concern was pace in the midfield and flanks and the horrible lack of mids in numbers.
Taking just three mids was never going to address this. In fact we only got the midfield numbers back to where they were at the start of the footy season and that was totally inadequate to start with. Imo of course.

Lets use Kpd as a list need or was it.

Numbers before the draft started. - Gibcus, Balta, Miller, Blight, Young definates with potential numbers in Bauer, Gray and Koschitzke. Quite clearly there was no numbers need and we had quality in Gibcus and Balta.
We can now add Trainor to that list. With him there we can now possibly say we have future quality covered but there are never any certs with any pick thats the outlier..

Was it a need? well it was not an immediate one imo. Far more pressing needs than drafting another kpd.
Quality and numbers was 95% covered.

Take the tall forwards a slightly different out look.

Numbers on the list before the draft. Lynch who we need to replace because of age, Kossie still only 24, Lefau 26yo, Mature bodies but the question over quality especially once Lynch is gone.
Then we had young tall forwards in Fawcett, Gray and Bauer. With these three it made for very good numbers but the question was about quality. The option has been to play Balta there as well.
Two young talls would have been more than enough imo to go with the other three young talls we already had along with the three mature players. If any thing a case could be made to target a good mature kpf.
We currently have 9 potential key forwards 10 if lets say Smillie ends up being one just as many as we have mids. No problems with numbers way too many if anything and Armstrong and say Shanahan would help address the quality aspect.

If people are thinking Lalor, Smillie, and Hotton go even close to fixing our mid numbers i say they need to think again.They do help with quality but we sure as hell could have done with proably four more mids and another helping of quality. Injecting pace thru the midfield is also a priorty still.

To be honest im not sure taking a player we probably rate lower than others just because we think they won't get to our next pick is the way to be going. What was wrong with best available in this case.

Personally i would have been rapt to go into next year with the following
KPF - Lynch, Kossie, Lefau Fawcett, Bauer Gray, Armstrong and Shanahan/Whitlock. Thats 5 kids with 3 mature bodies.

A midfield group consisting of Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross mature types, McAuliffe, Lalor, Reid, Smillie, Allan, Hotton, Dow and Sonsie plus your wings running types. Again a damn good case could be made for drafting or trading for a mature mid or two.

With just two current nd picks for next year maybe that is the path they will take.

At the end of the day all it means is me and some others would have prefered we do things just a little bit different to what the club did. There is no reason to get upset about it because it differs to what the club did. At the end of the day its just an opinion.There is no right or wrong in this imo.
We got a bunch of kids and all in their own way look like good kids.

One of the glaring weaknesses was Richmond ability to run the ball out of defence. Simply lacked the overhead marking ability which was the reason that Jack was found on the wing contesting marks. Plethora of talls i.e Sims etc may now address this issue

 

[Big Unit 30]

I'm not a huge Murphy Reid fan. Have stated that before. That lack of acceleration at AFL level is going to hurt him. He's also small and not a physical player. He struggled to apply defensive pressure at under 18 level. I think he'll be a solid, crafty half forward with his smarts and skill. But you don't spend a top 10 pick on that and he went about where I would have him.

Not saying it will turn out this way but if you go back and watch a Sonsie draft video you could be mistaken for thinking you're watching Reid. Their physical traits and size is similar. Similar numbers in the Coates League even down to the lack of tackling (Reid stepped up in the champs and has better endurance so likely a better player).

Bo Allan I think there is something more to that. Every single report from every source was Richmond were hot into him and even in the pick 6 discussion. It gets to pick 10 and we don't pick him. We met with him right before the draft. If I had to guess he likely told us and other Melbourne clubs not to pick him. I am also not his biggest fan due to his rawness and foot skills so I am not fussed about it but he has a higher upside than Reid IMO.

I’ve mentioned this on another thread but that Allan scenario is exactly what panned out.
West Coast up to their old tricks and he told the eastern state clubs he wasn’t going to stick around if they selected him.
Source is an RFC staff member of recruitment

 

[THE_GUN]

I’ve mentioned this on another thread but that Allan scenario is exactly what panned out.
West Coast up to their old tricks and he told the eastern state clubs he wasn’t going to stick around if they selected him.
Source is an RFC staff member of recruitment

And that is not such a bad thing

Im happy we didnt get Allan with any of our picks below the pick we traded to NorF
Faull selection was the only pick i raised my eyes at and i would have taken Berry specially with the Armstrong , Trainor and Sims selection that followed