2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[Saints4ever]

He is not an outside mid. Oliver hollands is an outside mid, so is Acres. Looks like an inside/outside combo mid to me.. like Windhager.. Looks like Carrol is composed, nice side step and can take the game on rather than just chip side ways like a lot of our mids.

Nice highlight reel from this game.
Love how many times he hit up a leading forward.
Has a real nice left foot on him.

I have to say I did follow Carrol early in the year as he was on my SuperCoach bench.

I remember in round 0 against Brisbane he played a really solid game and I was expecting big things from him.

Was surprised he never really broke out this year.

Hopefully finds his best form with us.

All the best Jack.

 

[Kildonan]

Update after the Saints recruited DFA Jack Carroll.

We still have the second smallest player list in the AFL (30 players) to Richmonds (27 players)

Our 30 players list includes 2 new players and 4 rookies (2 x cat B)

Originally 10 list spots available:

1 list spot is used for Jack Macrae
1 list spot is used for Jack Carroll
1 list spot is reserved for the (possible) redrafting of Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

probably as a rookie
2 list spots are reserved for the drafting of Academy prospects (Cole and Hoffman)
1 list spot is reserved to recruit F/S (Peckett) probably as a rookie
1 list spot is reserved to recruit a Sandringham Zerbras player probably as a rookie

That leaves us only 3 list spots to fill from the AFL draft (and the AFL rookie draft)

We have picks #7, #8, #32, and #47

These picks will change in value with the burning of later picks by other clubs to match bids for their F/S or Academy players.

So we will be using pick #47 for Cole and/or Hoffman (which will probably be closer to pick #40 by then)
I don't think our 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks provide points towards price-matching if someone bids on either player and we wish to match. We may trade pick #47 (whatever it becomes) to an interested party for two later picks.

Anyway my point is that it looks as if we will only take 3 genuine picks in this draft

Picks #7, #8, and #32

That is not to say we can't trade future picks to improve our hand or swap #8 and #32 for #15 and #16 or whatever but Picks #7, #8 and #32 seems like a pretty good hand already.

Time to put on our collective poker face and watch as the first 6 draftees get picked and see what offers come in for our second pick, we would want something better that #15 and #16 for #8 and #32

 

[SteeleSaints]

#kildonan I think you are right re the list spots, although Crouch has to be done, so that will be another vacant position.

At present we have 2 genuine ruckman on our list, most clubs have at least 4 some more. Somewhere in our future transactions we need to find at least 1 possibly 2 ruckman?

The other obvious void is another key defender, but perhaps we simply move Caminiti to CHB and add Cole. Then add another key tall next year.

Or we grab cast offs to fill both eg Knobel & Phillips? My call would be to take advantage of the draft and fill the holes there. Take the hit next year and back the kids in. Take as many players at the draft/s as we have list spots.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Actually incredibly moot point.
If LDU was in fact in principle signed, we might only take one mid and split pick 8 or just take best available at 8...maybe that would be Armstrong?

Huh? It was a gag. But why would it be a moot point if it wasn’t a joke?

 

[mad-saint-guy]

I don't know much about Armstrong but it's definitely an area of need now. His stats are similar to Jamarra. If we think he'll end up an elite forward we have to look at him. Of course we need mids but reality is we need forwards and backs too. Looks like we'll get the backs through the NGA picks.

Do we need marking forwards?

King
Sharman
Caminiti
Owens
Keeler

My ideal scenario there is Caminiti goes to defence and Keeler (or even Heath) plays as third tall forward/backup ruck, rotating with Marshall. If neither of them are up to it, Caminiti stays forward and plays that role.

Cole should come in as a KD option as well.

Mids are absolutely the priority. Good ones with a POD, not role players/depth like Hall or Carroll.

 

[StCicatriz]

The last one that everyone lost their mind over wasn’t actually a concussion


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Rofl

 

[stavro#4]

They want our F1 + 8 apparently.

Been talking for the past week.

I posted this on Tuesday.

Herald Sun running with the below:

The Saints also have picks seven and eight in the national draft but are considering trading one of those top-10 picks for two later selections in the first-round.

Richmond and GWS are both considering deals with the Saints.

 

[GTrains Love Child]

Just feel as though Carrol is our Bonner replacement, no need to lose your mind over him taking a ‘kids’ spot.
He’s pretty young, depth & fills an area of need - not every player we select has to be an absolute superstar from day one.

 

[NasiahToKing]

The dislike for Armstrong takes me back to people not wanting NAS before we drafted him.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Carroll is 21yo ... not even close to his mid peak ..... I mean 5 years shy

Not sure what the Bluescum are trying to do ... they are writing off relatively new recruits after 3 to 4 years and trying to replace them with 1st year recruits that have no senior experience as if they are going to impact straight way .... like replacing Carroll and Kennedy with 18yo Campo twins and expecting them to fill an experienced void if Cripps and co get injured

Seriously don't get it ...... commentators earlier this season were raving about Carroll ... but a bit like Pou the kid needs time .... so yeah sure he has a few average games ... but rather than backng in their development program the kid is done and dusted

If Cripps and/or Walsh go down they are fkd ...... one of Curnow or McKay .. they are fkd ..... Weiterting .... they are truly fkd

 

[BrutThough]

Is this gut feel or some intel?

Gut feel. We've had 6 talls go out and none come in so far. Suggests we are looking at a few in the draft and Armstrong is the one that keeps getting rated around our picks so it points to him.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

The dislike for Armstrong takes me back to people not wanting NAS before we drafted him.

Its not that us punters hate Armstrong but we need mids mids mids .... we have plenty of depth in KPP positions .... if not then get rid of Hammer or Sharman and bring in a very young Armstrong ...which we won't do

Armstrong looks avearge anyway ... considering how dominate Sandringam Dragons were ... he should have kicked a lot more

There are better draftee KPP's out there .... if .... we need them

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Worst case scenario with WA boy Carroll is that if we go Bo Allen with one of our picks and keep in mind we also have Collard then package up all 3 plus a 1st rounder for Harley ...... 4 in one 1 deal ...... its probably better than any other club can offer up at the end of 2026 when Reid comes out of contract

Seriosuly we should be hard in Harley's ear

 

[gringo2011]

Carroll is 21yo ... not even close to his mid peak ..... I mean 5 years shy

Not sure what the Bluescum are trying to do ... they are writing off relatively new recruits after 3 to 4 years and trying to replace them with 1st year recruits that have no senior experience as if they are going to impact straight way .... like replacing Carroll and Kennedy with 18yo Campo twins and expecting them to fill an experienced void if Cripps and co get injured

Seriously don't get it ...... commentators earlier this season were raving about Carroll ... but a bit like Pou the kid needs time .... so yeah sure he has a few average games ... but rather than backng in their development program the kid is done and dusted

If Cripps and/or Walsh go down they are fkd ...... one of Curnow or McKay .. they are fkd ..... Weiterting .... they are truly fkd

Carlton family members assumed that he was being delisted to be rookied. They are unhappy which makes me happy. Seems a bit like when we got rid of Acres.

 

[Joffaboy]

Carlton family members assumed that he was being delisted to be rookied. They are unhappy which makes me happy. Seems a bit like when we got rid of Acres.

Two players we have picked up this year where the oppo supporters are unhappy, Bulldogs with Macrae, now Blues with Carroll.
That is good signs we are targeting the right player.

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[St Kilda Death]

Carroll is 21yo ... not even close to his mid peak ..... I mean 5 years shy

Not sure what the Bluescum are trying to do ... they are writing off relatively new recruits after 3 to 4 years and trying to replace them with 1st year recruits that have no senior experience as if they are going to impact straight way .... like replacing Carroll and Kennedy with 18yo Campo twins and expecting them to fill an experienced void if Cripps and co get injured

Seriously don't get it ...... commentators earlier this season were raving about Carroll ... but a bit like Pou the kid needs time .... so yeah sure he has a few average games ... but rather than backng in their development program the kid is done and dusted

If Cripps and/or Walsh go down they are fkd ...... one of Curnow or McKay .. they are fkd ..... Weiterting .... they are truly fkd

A lot of money tied up in their top 10 players.
You start losing depth players

 

[The_Snake26]

Carroll is 21yo ... not even close to his mid peak ..... I mean 5 years shy

Not sure what the Bluescum are trying to do ... they are writing off relatively new recruits after 3 to 4 years and trying to replace them with 1st year recruits that have no senior experience as if they are going to impact straight way .... like replacing Carroll and Kennedy with 18yo Campo twins and expecting them to fill an experienced void if Cripps and co get injured

Seriously don't get it ...... commentators earlier this season were raving about Carroll ... but a bit like Pou the kid needs time .... so yeah sure he has a few average games ... but rather than backng in their development program the kid is done and dusted

If Cripps and/or Walsh go down they are fkd ...... one of Curnow or McKay .. they are fkd ..... Weiterting .... they are truly fkd

They’re delisting 3-4th year players because that’s when their wages start to go up significantly. Their cap is farked with 5 players taking up too much

 

[stavro#4]

Carlton family members assumed that he was being delisted to be rookied. They are unhappy which makes me happy. Seems a bit like when we got rid of Acres.

Mine are similar. Maybe even slightly annoyed.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Rofl

Rofl?

Is that still a thing in WA?


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[gringo2011]

A lot of money tied up in their top 10 players.
You start losing depth players

They are all saying it's due to tight list spots. The Campo twins, pick 4 or what ever they end up with and the need for a few ready depth types are forcing them to cut players that would usually be kept on. We are having to do that more and more as our list spots fill up with better players too. I reckon Hotton would have got 5 years to show something if we'd drafted him 7 years ago.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Just feel as though Carrol is our Bonner replacement, no need to lose your mind over him taking a ‘kids’ spot.
He’s pretty young, depth & fills an area of need - not every player we select has to be an absolute superstar from day one.

As you say, he’s young, very young still. There was talk during the year of how far he’s come this year. He did look like Carlton found a good one. Strange delisting.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

They’re delisting 3-4th year players because that’s when their wages start to go up significantly. Their cap is farked with 5 players taking up too much

Strange that there were no trade partners. Obviously there’s some weakness.

Maybe he doesn’t make his bed. Lazy?

 

[Yawkey way]

Carlton family members assumed that he was being delisted to be rookied. They are unhappy which makes me happy. Seems a bit like when we got rid of Acres.

Exactly my son in law tells me he’s very sorry they’ve lost him and the kid can play and was developing nicely.

 

[Yawkey way]

I posted this on Tuesday.

Herald Sun running with the below:

The Saints also have picks seven and eight in the national draft but are considering trading one of those top-10 picks for two later selections in the first-round.

Richmond and GWS are both considering deals with the Saints.

Must be quite a few moving parts if it’s 8 and F1.

 

[SaintJunior]

Update after the Saints recruited DFA Jack Carroll.

We still have the second smallest player list in the AFL (30 players) to Richmonds (27 players)

Our 30 players list includes 2 new players and 4 rookies (2 x cat B)

Originally 10 list spots available:

1 list spot is used for Jack Macrae
1 list spot is used for Jack Carroll
1 list spot is reserved for the (possible) redrafting of Brad Crouch probably as a rookie
2 list spots are reserved for the drafting of Academy prospects (Cole and Hoffman)
1 list spot is reserved to recruit F/S (Peckett) probably as a rookie
1 list spot is reserved to recruit a Sandringham Dragons player probably as a rookie

That leaves us only 3 list spots to fill from the AFL draft (and the AFL rookie draft)

We have picks #7, #8, #32, and #47

These picks will change in value with the burning of later picks by other clubs to match bids for their F/S or Academy players.

So we will be using pick #47 for Cole and/or Hoffman (which will probably be closer to pick #40 by then)
I don't think our 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks provide points towards price-matching if someone bids on either player and we wish to match. We may trade pick #47 (whatever it becomes) to an interested party for two later picks.

Anyway my point is that it looks as if we will only take 3 genuine picks in this draft

Picks #7, #8, and #32

That is not to say we can't trade future picks to improve our hand or swap #8 and #32 for #15 and #16 or whatever but Picks #7, #8 and #32 seems like a pretty good hand already.

Time to put on our collective poker face and watch as the first 6 draftees get picked and see what offers come in for our second pick, we would want something better that #15 and #16 for #8 and #32

Thanks for the summary has us in an interesting position re list numbers given potential commitments.

Given the strength of the draft do you think we actually take all of Cole, Hoffman and Peckett ?