List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Joffaboy]

Found this interesting. Desistings from our 2019 playing list.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

OK you are way off. I know several current AFL players, a couple VFL and a few recently retired. It's not rare. It's very very frequent... Which is pretty normal considering how frequent it is amongst young men in that age bracket.
You are also pretty off about flushing it out of your system. For standard urine tests coke can generally be out of your system the following day and is rarely detectable 72 hours later.

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That's a pity. Its not good.

Cocaine: How It Works, Effects, and Risks

Cocaine is a highly addictive drug that can have serious effects on your health and well-being. Learn what it does to your body.

www.webmd.com

 

[gubby88]

That's a pity. Its not good.

Cocaine: How It Works, Effects, and Risks

Cocaine is a highly addictive drug that can have serious effects on your health and well-being. Learn what it does to your body.

www.webmd.com

You have young blokes that are in their prime to head to the bars and nightclubs with disposable income....seriously, what do you think would happen?

It's prevalent in clubs in the country on minimal income, it's certainly bigger in the metro area

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[pebblesofsand]

You have young blokes that are in their prime to head to the bars and nightclubs with disposable income....seriously, what do you think would happen?

It's prevalent in clubs in the country on minimal income, it's certainly bigger in the metro area

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Yep - the coke usage in Victoria is pretty high. Statistically its generally accepted that 20%+ of blokes in the 20 - 35 age will have used cocaine.

Add the fact that AFL footballers are likely to be high wage earners then its likely to be higher than the average. No doubt quite a few get caught with testing even though its only detectable for a couple of days so a bit of "management" by players is all thats needed to avoid detection most of the time.

That's why the AFL and AFLPA agreed to only do hair testing "for research only" given its detectable in hair for three months - fair chance if they did it for real they wouldn't have a comp!!!

 

[bergholt]

Yep - the coke usage in Victoria is pretty high. Statistically its generally accepted that 20%+ of blokes in the 20 - 35 age will have used cocaine.

"...will have used what their dealer called cocaine which was probably speed cut with chalk cut with rat poison cut with random sweepings cut with a tiny tiny bit of cocaine."

 

[pebblesofsand]

"...will have used what their dealer called cocaine which was probably speed cut with chalk cut with rat poison cut with random sweepings cut with a tiny tiny bit of cocaine."

Ha ha - hope it didn't cost you too much to learn that lesson!!

 

[gringo2011]

Found this interesting. Desistings from our 2019 playing list.View attachment 1495006

Funny how when I used to put up these lists it would trigger you guys. We have cut and culled really heavily and not progressed under Lethlean's review. Moving pieces around hasn't actually improved our performance and on top of the list management decisions we have spent a fortune on staffing in the same period for not better effect. Clubs that went to the draft have now jumped over us.

The list we have now has improved but can't actually play together probably because they are mostly foreign legion types come for money or were culled by other clubs for not quite being good enough. We really need some kind of plan that sets out a bit of a list strategy. Carlton and Essendon both tried to do the top up route and fast track, both took longer. North tried to do it when in challenge mode and it wasn't enough.

 

[gringo2011]

OK you are way off. I know several current AFL players, a couple VFL and a few recently retired. It's not rare. It's very very frequent... Which is pretty normal considering how frequent it is amongst young men in that age bracket.
You are also pretty off about flushing it out of your system. For standard urine tests coke can generally be out of your system the following day and is rarely detectable 72 hours later.

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So all AFL players do it regularly do they? Okay. Plenty of AFL players stay at home to look after kids most of the time, others are straight edge, others are god bothers. Do some use it a lot? Totally. Do more players than regular people? Yes. But do all or most do it? I doubt it's more than 10 to 20% that use it most weeks and even then it's probably overs. Some would be addicted even but that isn't "every AFL player".

Perhaps your group are druggos..... must hang with a bad crowd.

72 hours still has to be out of your system on game days and random testing days.

 

[gringo2011]

That's a pity. Its not good.

Cocaine: How It Works, Effects, and Risks

Cocaine is a highly addictive drug that can have serious effects on your health and well-being. Learn what it does to your body.

www.webmd.com

That article is pretty inaccurate. It can cause all those issues but it's not as addictive physically as things like heroin. It is made using diesel fuel so eats the septum out between your nostrils if you abuse it long enough and lots of other things like that but it's probably overstated a lot in that article.

 

[AirWinmar]

Funny how when I used to put up these lists it would trigger you guys. We have cut and culled really heavily and not progressed under Lethlean's review. Moving pieces around hasn't actually improved our performance and on top of the list management decisions we have spent a fortune on staffing in the same period for not better effect. Clubs that went to the draft have now jumped over us.

The list we have now has improved but can't actually play together probably because they are mostly foreign legion types come for money or were culled by other clubs for not quite being good enough. We really need some kind of plan that sets out a bit of a list strategy. Carlton and Essendon both tried to do the top up route and fast track, both took longer. North tried to do it when in challenge mode and it wasn't enough.

Personally think we aren't getting the most out of our list tho. It's definitely a lot better, most probably due to organic improvement. The only one is I'd say Bruce would make our forwardline a lot better. Crouch, Doogs and Ryder definitely made us better most of the time. Jones can, but very inconsistent and Hill overall has probably been average. Hanners, you could see why we did it - he is a jet but he needed 15 games of rehab for every game played

 

[gringo2011]

Personally think we aren't getting the most out of our list tho. It's definitely a lot better, most probably due to organic improvement. The only one is I'd say Bruce would make our forwardline a lot better. Crouch, Doogs and Ryder definitely made us better most of the time. Jones can, but very inconsistent and Hill overall has probably been average. Hanners, you could see why we did it - he is a jet but he needed 15 games of rehab for every game played

Hanners was gone or Sydney wouldn't have traded him. It worked out about exactly as you'd expect. It was a high stakes gamble that was always more unlikely than likely.

Hill was a publicity stunt after the Hanners disappointment IMO. We wanted to show we could be a destination for players in their prime. not just broken cast offs. That or a terrible read on where the list was at.

 

[The_Steadier]

As much as I would love a strong bodied key back I don’t know if there are any we’d want available.

Darcy Gardiner?
Seems to fit the bill perfectly as an RFA?

 

[Joffaboy]

Funny how when I used to put up these lists it would trigger you guys. We have cut and culled really heavily and not progressed under Lethlean's review. Moving pieces around hasn't actually improved our performance and on top of the list management decisions we have spent a fortune on staffing in the same period for not better effect. Clubs that went to the draft have now jumped over us.

The list we have now has improved but can't actually play together probably because they are mostly foreign legion types come for money or were culled by other clubs for not quite being good enough. We really need some kind of plan that sets out a bit of a list strategy. Carlton and Essendon both tried to do the top up route and fast track, both took longer. North tried to do it when in challenge mode and it wasn't enough.

You seem the only one triggered. There is not one name on that list that should not have been delisted, possible Bruce, possibly Acres. Bruce was looking good for Bulldogs before doing his knee and Acres was going well for Freo but curiously has been forced out, hopefully he gets another gig.

it shows the list was moribund and needs to be refreshed. You say the list is from other AFL teams and mercenaries. Two ways to refresh the list, from other clubs, through the draft.

So if not from other clubs, you think we should have refreshed the list through the draft. Curious how we draft 28 players in three years and not get beaten by ten goals a game and make 2022 North Melbourne look like the premiers.

Can be easily seen that the list was no good and it has markedly improved. What hasn't improved is the mental weakness of the team, and its inability to play a consistent and cohesive style of football.

Have been loathe to critisise Ratten as I didn't think I had the evidence to say what is missing. We still have obvious holes in our list, but the mentality and the playing style is squarely on the coaches.

We have Ratten nominally for two years, with this in mind we need to get good assistants around him. Lenny may be a good start.

Think it is pretty low to critisise all the players from other clubs as being mercenaries. I have always thought that of Hill as he has won three flags, but it is a slight on the character of players like Paddy, Crouch, and Wood, who have all put in, Butler and Doogs who while critisised for their play can never be accused of squibbing it, and Higgins who was in excellent form prior to his concussions.

 

[The_Steadier]

You have young blokes that are in their prime to head to the bars and nightclubs with disposable income....seriously, what do you think would happen?

Not to mention the biggest factor- they are constantly having their skinfolds checked, so booze isn't an option for blowing off some steam.

 

[Joffaboy]

Not to mention the biggest factor- they are constantly having their skinfolds checked, so booze isn't an option for blowing off some steam.

Remember Gardiner crashing his car after drinking vodka. Apparently doesn't put on weight like other alcohol. WCE in those days were all on the gear, surprised he was on the piss at all.

 

[lewdogs]

Lethlean and Gags' finest moment was probably fleecing Adelaide with the Crouch move. Played it beautifully.

It will be very interesting to see how De Goey plays out.

 

[gringo2011]

You seem the only one triggered. There is not one name on that list that should not have been delisted, possible Bruce, possibly Acres. Bruce was looking good for Bulldogs before doing his knee and Acres was going well for Freo but curiously has been forced out, hopefully he gets another gig.

it shows the list was moribund and needs to be refreshed. You say the list is from other AFL teams and mercenaries. Two ways to refresh the list, from other clubs, through the draft.

So if not from other clubs, you think we should have refreshed the list through the draft. Curious how we draft 28 players in three years and not get beaten by ten goals a game and make 2022 North Melbourne look like the premiers.

Can be easily seen that the list was no good and it has markedly improved. What hasn't improved is the mental weakness of the team, and its inability to play a consistent and cohesive style of football.

Have been loathe to critisise Ratten as I didn't think I had the evidence to say what is missing. We still have obvious holes in our list, but the mentality and the playing style is squarely on the coaches.

We have Ratten nominally for two years, with this in mind we need to get good assistants around him. Lenny may be a good start.

Think it is pretty low to critisise all the players from other clubs as being mercenaries. I have always thought that of Hill as he has won three flags, but it is a slight on the character of players like Paddy, Crouch, and Wood, who have all put in, Butler and Doogs who while critisised for their play can never be accused of squibbing it, and Higgins who was in excellent form prior to his concussions.

No triggered, amused. We should have drafted if the list was no good. We tried to make it quicker by topping up and stuck ourselves in Essendon or Carlton territory. Makes a few decision makers look even worse. Trout was no good at drafting, someone kept trying to tell people on here and got laughed at.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

So we’re officially in the hunt for de goey now?

 

[George]

So all AFL players do it regularly do they? Okay. Plenty of AFL players stay at home to look after kids most of the time, others are straight edge, others are god bothers. Do some use it a lot? Totally. Do more players than regular people? Yes. But do all or most do it? I doubt it's more than 10 to 20% that use it most weeks and even then it's probably overs. Some would be addicted even but that isn't "every AFL player".

Perhaps your group are druggos..... must hang with a bad crowd.

72 hours still has to be out of your system on game days and random testing days.

You're right, it's prevalent but not a crisis or whatever. As a percentage it's probably around the same as the rest of society. Players would have easier access to it given they've got a lot of disposable income, but there's also players who pride themselves on their fitness and professionalism so it works out about the same I reckon.

 

[Yawkey way]

Lethlean and Gags' finest moment was probably fleecing Adelaide with the Crouch move. Played it beautifully.

It will be very interesting to see how De Goey plays out.

How do you see it playing out, realistically it has the potential to be a monumental stuff up.

 

[luca77]

No triggered, amused. We should have drafted if the list was no good. We tried to make it quicker by topping up and stuck ourselves in Essendon or Carlton territory. Makes a few decision makers look even worse. Trout was no good at drafting, someone kept trying to tell people on here and got laughed at.

If we'd won a flag in the last few decades, had made finals in the last decade, had a 20% better list, hadn't had such shocking luck with injury/concussions e.t.c, we might have been more prepared to bottom out (again).

When you're a small club, if you bottom out for long enough people start talking Tasmania. We would have had draftees coming in with no leadership or talent above them. Basically we would have been North. Or Melbourne of the previous several years (happy ending, but not sure we remember clearly just how dreadful that would have been for Dees supporters).

Unfortunately, as a battling club, we have to put survival first. Frankly I couldn't care less if we bottom out, collect draft picks and win a flag in 8 years time in Hobart or Launceston or wherever the hell they're going to be.

Things could be worse - just wish we didn't play such goddamn ugly football and had a few more stars to watch.

 

[longlivelenny]

Found this interesting. Desistings from our 2019 playing list.View attachment 1495006

Of all of them, I wish clav was still on the list. Young defenders take a while to come good and I thought he showed enough. He was also a pretty tall fella.

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[DougalHoward]

Lethlean and Gags' finest moment was probably fleecing Adelaide with the Crouch move. Played it beautifully.

It will be very interesting to see how De Goey plays out.

fleecing how?

 

[Joffaboy]

No triggered, amused. We should have drafted if the list was no good. We tried to make it quicker by topping up and stuck ourselves in Essendon or Carlton territory. Makes a few decision makers look even worse. Trout was no good at drafting, someone kept trying to tell people on here and got laughed at.

So we draft 28 players in 3 years. Is that really your plan?

 

[PoppedCorn]

We are drug tested at work
Weed stays in you longer than coke im told