Strategy Changes: Round 4 Fremantle vs. Western Bulldogs

[Superkoops]

He probably asked to be traded the last 2 years but there were no takers.

Yep had a chuckle when I read that one. Certainly last year Brodie was put up for trade by the club and his manager shopped him around for 0.00% interest.

 

[StingBitten]

I wish I was .

But I’d seen no mention of Simpson to hbf (stand to be corrected) before reading about the possibility on here .

Think Chris25 may have been the first and then it was proceeded by few more posters on here but later, once it was apparent coops was struggling to get involved

Oh and please don’t say Duffield mentioned it first because again , when he brought it up on radio was AFTER the idea was floated on here .
In fact pretty sure people mentioned HE may have got the idea from here.

Regardless whether or not the move was imitated by freo coaches from here (now remember before you scoff , young’s move to the midfield was only initiated by Joel Corey and was no where in jlos agenda at the time)

We can agree longmanure isn’t some revolutionary strategist for doing so as it’s proved the average mug punter on here was already calling for it long before it actually happened

'longmanure' - christ son I don't like the bloke either but keep that trash talk locked into Bay 13. It don't belong here.

 

[fnerd]

'longmanure' - christ son I don't like the bloke either but keep that trash talk locked into Bay 13. It don't belong here.

Sorry pops , auto correct

 

[King Huskii]

How the ruck can Warner he in the side? We literally are playing too many defenders. He absolutely sucked on the weekend past and we haven't replaced him.

Why not have one more mid in the side as a sub even to help our stoppage work?

Longmire has finally lost me as we will never win a premiership playing 8 or 9 backs

Sack him now

 

[StingBitten]

Sorry pops , auto correct

I'm 37 son. But you type like a Zoomer TiKtOkEr so I guess I would be pops to you.

 

[s_wd6]

Anyone who uses the word zoomer is pops

 

[fnerd]

Anyone who uses the word zoomer is pops

Agreed!!

 

[King Huskii]

I'm 37 son. But you type like a Zoomer TiKtOkEr so I guess I would be pops to you.

I'm a decade older than you son

But I can't help acting like I'm in my 20s lol

 

[88mph]

Honestly thought Erasmus showed skill more last week than I’ve seen from Worner’s whole career. Good to know you’re watching a different game to the rest of us.

Think Worner is just a guy who has a great attitude and gets to the right defensive spots. In terms of skill though almost every player on list is better outside of perhaps Reidy and right now the youngsters who haven’t debuted yet.

Worner over Erasmus proves we’re tanking.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Investing pick 10 to draft Erasmus but refusing to invest in developing the guy is poor management. Kid should have 50 games under his belt and be a solid contributor. Instead he'll leave at years end for a 4th rounder and most likely make us look stupid in the process when he becomes a solid player at another club.

 

[King Huskii]

Investing pick 10 to draft Erasmus but refusing to invest in developing the guy is poor management. Kid should have 50 games under his belt and be a solid contributor. Instead he'll leave at years end for a 4th rounder and most likely make us look stupid in the process when he becomes a solid player at another club.

Pretty much this

While Banfield Worner and a very old OMeara are getting games who.are clearly no better.

Erasmus given a proper go could go past them

 

[Purple Suit]

Yep had a chuckle when I read that one. Certainly last year Brodie was put up for trade by the club and his manager shopped him around for 0.00% interest.

I am still shocked WC don’t want him. They have no clearance mids beside Yeo plus a huge hole in their list but instead spend draft Capital on role players.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

I had real expectations coming into this year but on what I've seen so far I've gone back to just being hopeful rather than expecting a good season. I think until we get a new coach in there is a ceiling on what this group can do.

 

[Boomer93]

cool. just checked the stat sheets. quite hard for me to determine meaning in them as he's come on as sub in 10 of his 25 games. Only played R2 and R3 this year. R2 got almost identical stats to Murphy Reid and was above Banfield. R3 18 disposals and above Banfield and Worner.

a maths genius such as yourself will need to explain to me why the stats show Ras should be left out over BB or Worner

My point was the stats don't tell the story? Watching football tells the story and Erasmus does nothing with his disposals.

 

[King Huskii]

My point was the stats don't tell the story? Watching football tells the story and Erasmus does nothing with his disposals.

Neither does Worner or a 34 year old omera

 

[mattis117]

Neither does Worner or a 34 year old omera

You know he's only 31 right?

 

[Daddoo]

I hope it leads to some extra motivation for our forwards to kick a bag on him.

Lobster for dinner, anyone?

In all seriousness, Lobster is not the one I'm worried about. It's the other end of the ground that concerns me. Sam Darcy is going to present a huge challenge for our skipper. We need Pierce to have a good game to pull this one off. I'm also worried about the bulldogs speed at which they move the ball. One of the quickest teams out there. Our pressure has to be elite and our running will have to be gut busting.

Freo by 2 pts.

 

[Superkoops]

Pretty much this

While Banfield Worner and a very old OMeara are getting games who.are clearly no better.

Erasmus given a proper go could go past them

Banfield was good against WC. JOM in our bests vs Geelong and Sydney. I don’t have a problem with that.

You’d think that with Wagner coming back Worner would be first out the door.

That may well leave Erasmus as the sub.

The fringe players:
From the Sydney game you can see why Isiah Dudley was brought in we needed a forward who can pressure but also has forward craft. So he wasn’t going to get dropped. Draper played well on Liam Ryan and I felt he did a reasonable job as sub and playing on Papley. Chapman from Sub in Geelong to playing quite well ve Sydney and very well against WCE.

Worner dropped after the Geelong debacle. Then brought in to replace Wagner. Defensively reasonable. Some cat-9 foot skill errors. Erasmus been on the bench a lot and definitely in that fringe group. Not selected for round 1.

So he would have been considered for Sub.

If it was me I would have dropped Worner, kept Erasmus and played Banfield as Sub.

They have chosen to keep Worner (likely sub), keep Banfield and drop Erasmus.

Whilst I don’t like it, I’m not going into melt down territory.

Banfield, Erasmus, Worner, Aish, Dudley, Voss, Simpson are a group of players that will get opportunity but are more fringe at the moment.

Banfield > Young
Dudley > Walters
Voss > Darcy
Worner is Sub
Erasmus, Fyfe, Aish waiting for their opportunity

 

[Righteo]

He hasn’t shown any ability up forward. Made a couple of good tackles. That is it. He has had some snaps at goal that never looked likely. He really needs to improve his forward craft if he wants a more regular game. Compare to MJohnson who ran through the lines to kick a nice goal. I’ve not seen anything like that from Ras.

It's bizarre because this was touted as a strength pre-draft and presumably why we took him so high. Even the overhead marking, another supposed strength, has been curiously absent. It also doesn't help that in 4 preseasons he's barely added any muscle to his frame. All that said I still would've played him this week as I think we're a midfield rotation short. We will probably see Bolton get more time in the middle with Murph/Fred/Wombat getting the lion's share of small fwd duty.

 

[Purple Suit]

Banfield was good against WC. JOM in our bests vs Geelong and Sydney. I don’t have a problem with that.

You’d think that with Wagner coming back Worner would be first out the door.

That may well leave Erasmus as the sub.

The fringe players:
From the Sydney game you can see why Isiah Dudley was brought in we needed a forward who can pressure but also has forward craft. So he wasn’t going to get dropped. Draper played well on Liam Ryan and I felt he did a reasonable job as sub and playing on Papley. Chapman from Sub in Geelong to playing quite well ve Sydney and very well against WCE.

Worner dropped after the Geelong debacle. Then brought in to replace Wagner. Defensively reasonable. Some cat-9 foot skill errors. Erasmus been on the bench a lot and definitely in that fringe group. Not selected for round 1.

So he would have been considered for Sub.

If it was me I would have dropped Worner, kept Erasmus and played Banfield as Sub.

They have chosen to keep Worner (likely sub), keep Banfield and drop Erasmus.

Whilst I don’t like it, I’m not going into melt down territory.

Banfield, Erasmus, Worner, Aish, Dudley, Voss, Simpson are a group of players that will get opportunity but are more fringe at the moment.

Banfield > Young
Dudley > Walters
Voss > Darcy
Worner is Sub
Erasmus, Fyfe, Aish waiting for their opportunity

You forgot Switta, he will come in for Dudley before Walters. When Walters is fit too, I think we need to only bring him in if we have another injury or if we can move Reid around. Reid needs to play unless sore.

 

[ubiquitous226]

I also don't understand Worner over Erasmus and the team balance, but the absolute pitchforks is a little crazy.

As many other posters have stated it won't be about Worner being a better player, just being more versatile and/or filling a role the selection team value.
He does kind of seem like a new Hughes in some ways..

As a side note it seems like "conservative" is being used the same way some people use "woke", basically just to mean something they don't understand or like

 

[kp junior]

He hasn’t shown any ability up forward. Made a couple of good tackles. That is it. He has had some snaps at goal that never looked likely. He really needs to improve his forward craft if he wants a more regular game. Compare to MJohnson who ran through the lines to kick a nice goal. I’ve not seen anything like that from Ras.

Ras got the clearance that ended up with Johnson’s goal.


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[StingBitten]

Investing pick 10 to draft Erasmus but refusing to invest in developing the guy is poor management. Kid should have 50 games under his belt and be a solid contributor. Instead he'll leave at years end for a 4th rounder and most likely make us look stupid in the process when he becomes a solid player at another club.

Reminds me of Ross playing Brayshaw and Cerra 4 years straight regardless of form...they offered little in 2018-19 and only started hitting their straps 4 years in.

Now look at Andy.

 

[freo_leo29]

Reminds me of Ross playing Brayshaw and Cerra 4 years straight regardless of form...they offered little in 2018-19 and only started hitting their straps 4 years in.

Now look at Andy.

We have had a lot more talent to fit in, in recent years.

Bray and Cez were during the start of a rebuild, Erasmus came when we were supposed to be winning and making finals, the disappointing part is that we have failed in doing that.

 

[Purple Suit]

We have had a lot more talent to fit in, in recent years.

Bray and Cez were during the start of a rebuild, Erasmus came when we were supposed to be winning and making finals, the disappointing part is that we have failed in doing that.

I just hope not many whinge like a hindsight hero when he leaves and turns into a decent player. Meek 2.0 but we have a few more spots we could probably have squeezed him into in my opinion.

I get it that the coach is fighting for his life so needs experience but seems like he is also putting Worner in with less to be the sub.