Strategy Changes: Round 4 Fremantle vs. Western Bulldogs

[FreoMatt]

Well scarily he might alreadyve.

The move of cooper Simpson to hbf was almost without doubt coined on here before I seen it anywhere else mentioned

Nek minnit Simpson to hbf in peel scratchies

I saw that Cooper was listed at half forward for Peel, hopefully that’s just one of those random listings and he plays back


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[332docker]

Ras is too slow (by foot) and his decision making

others have gone past him

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Such a conflicting thread for me to read.

Agree with many that JLo is a poor coach and we lose games at the selection table but Erasmus is probably my least favourite Freo player ever and I'm glad he was dropped.

The comparison between Erasmus and Blakely above is fair.

"Least favourite Freo player ever" is an insane level of hating, especially when you realise how many snakes we've had.

I also notice you haven't bandied around your favourite stat of all time last week, disposal efficiency. Wonder why it went from being extremely relevant last week to extremely irrelevant this week.

 

[Bud]

Ras is too slow (by foot) and his decision making

others have gone past him

Can’t agree with that comment .. Erasmus has been good last two games.. Karl Worner selection is ridiculous

 

[Fat Nyfe]

We don’t want JOM to be having good games for this team. That means the team isn’t achieving as a list.

I mean, ideally you’d be happy if JOM was the guy outside of the team brought in as depth due to injuries, having a good game, and then still dropped due to players returning. That would be a real indicator of good depth and a win-win for JOM having a good game and the team having great competition for spots.

But that’s not what’s happening here

 

[CakeEater]

I would have dropped others for Ras but the goal is to win games and JOM has been one of our best the games he's played. Soz, we pick our best team to win and everything he's done suggests he's in the best team

I disagree, think hes actually holding us back.

But i do agree he complies with the game plan quite well

 

[Purple Suit]

Ras is too slow (by foot) and his decision making

others have gone past him

But he shit mixes players in tackles and we lack a bit of aggression. He’s only going to get quicker by playing AFL and two games when we have injuries to mids is not enough.

 

[dominguez]

"Least favourite Freo player ever" is an insane level of hating, especially when you realise how many snakes we've had.

I also notice you haven't bandied around your favourite stat of all time last week, disposal efficiency. Wonder why it went from being extremely relevant last week to extremely irrelevant this week.

We played a WAFL midfield last week.

The Eagles don't have a ruckman. Kelly is disinterested. Yeo is injured. Golden boy is fat and unfit. Duggan is a role player like Bailey Banfield.

Voss could have easily kicked 5 but no one would have said he was the next Wayne Carey if he did because the opposition were terrible.

 

[mattis117]

Changed my tip for Sunday. Dogs will have us.

Worner and Banfield over Erasmus.

What a joke.

That's pretty amazing that you'd base your tip on the 22nd/23rd selected player.

 

[Alfonz]

Worner has shown more awareness & skill than Erasmus. He played very well in his only game last year before getting injured. He was named by Pearce I think as the player most likely to have a breakout year so he’s obviously rated internally. I’m giving him a few more looks before I rule a line through him.

Erasmus is a good WAFL player. He’s not going to magically develop all the attributes he lacks which are essential at the top level.

Anyway time will tell.

So you are willing to have a few more looks before ruling a line through Worner? But not Erasmus?

I have my doubts on Erasmus, but the attributes he lacks (pace, skills) are the same flaws that many defensive, grunt mids have. He doesn't need to magically fix these. He just needs more game time and experience to see if he can manage his flaws and adjust to the pace of the game. He had been building the last 2 weeks, but now it is back to square one again. Some players adapt quickly, some take time, some never adapt. Maybe Erasmus is the latter, but hard to know with the lack of continuity he gets at AFL level.

Can't gift him games if everyone is available, and JOM should play ahead of him. But right now we are down to Banfield v Erasmus v Worner v Aish v Brodie for two spots (one starting and one sub) and I would give the spot in the 22 to Erasmus.

 

[mattis117]

Well scarily he might alreadyve.

The move of cooper Simpson to hbf was almost without doubt coined on here before I seen it anywhere else mentioned

Nek minnit Simpson to hbf in peel scratchies

I hope you're joking...

 

[Docker82]

Worner has shown more awareness & skill than Erasmus. He played very well in his only game last year before getting injured. He was named by Pearce I think as the player most likely to have a breakout year so he’s obviously rated internally. I’m giving him a few more looks before I rule a line through him.

Erasmus is a good WAFL player. He’s not going to magically develop all the attributes he lacks which are essential at the top level.

Anyway time will tell.

Honestly thought Erasmus showed skill more last week than I’ve seen from Worner’s whole career. Good to know you’re watching a different game to the rest of us.

Think Worner is just a guy who has a great attitude and gets to the right defensive spots. In terms of skill though almost every player on list is better outside of perhaps Reidy and right now the youngsters who haven’t debuted yet.

 

[Docker82]

"Least favourite Freo player ever" is an insane level of hating, especially when you realise how many snakes we've had.

I also notice you haven't bandied around your favourite stat of all time last week, disposal efficiency. Wonder why it went from being extremely relevant last week to extremely irrelevant this week.

Anyone who quotes that stat ever literally has no argument and is barely worth discussing footy with in my book.

 

[fnerd]

I hope you're joking...

I wish I was .

But I’d seen no mention of Simpson to hbf (stand to be corrected) before reading about the possibility on here .

Think Chris25 may have been the first and then it was proceeded by few more posters on here but later, once it was apparent coops was struggling to get involved

Oh and please don’t say Duffield mentioned it first because again , when he brought it up on radio was AFTER the idea was floated on here .
In fact pretty sure people mentioned HE may have got the idea from here.

Regardless whether or not the move was imitated by freo coaches from here (now remember before you scoff , young’s move to the midfield was only initiated by Joel Corey and was no where in jlos agenda at the time)

We can agree longmanure isn’t some revolutionary strategist for doing so as it’s proved the average mug punter on here was already calling for it long before it actually happened

 

[fnerd]

Lol you give bfooters way too much credit heard it thrown around listening to Duffield or one of those prior to here

Nope

Duff mentioned after it was floated by a few posters on here .

Seriously go back and have a look .

It was EVEN touted duff may have got the idea from here himself.

We know for FACT he reads BF

 

[freo_leo29]

Worner has actually worked on his skills so much that when I see him at training I actually think he is one of our better short kicks, has nearly mastered that short chip kick that doesn't go high which our team desperately lacks.

Its the brain fades that make him stand out to people IMO, poor decision making is poor footy.

 

[Superkoops]

The problem is that JL was asked in the post-match presser about the young mids, and said:

"Really happy with Johnno's role, is probably one of the guys you're talking about. I thought Johnno handled his role really well on Reid. Driz has had a great pre-season and is coming along and taking his opportunities. Neil's performing well through the middle of the ground. We need those players to be ready to step up when opportunity presents.

We probably think 1 out 1 in and that's the mantra I go with, but it does take a while to get that confidence that you can compete regularly at AFL level. I feel like they've grown week-on-week over the first 3 weeks of the year and played some really good footy today."

It's difficult to reconcile that with dropping him when we're not adding anyone back from injury (apart from the late outs). I think Superkoops probably made the most convincing argument (ie: Banners played well enough that the vest became btwn Worner and Ras). You don't want to give a young guy the vest, and Ras has played fairly poorly when sub. But holdover emergency is even worse than the vest for a young player. So unless we have a few that might not get over the line come Sunday, if Ras is dropped and is holdover, that's a double whammy by JL.

That is my summation. The sub came down to Worner or Ras with the two ins.

Ras is not suited to the sub and better served playing a full game in the WAFL.

At the end of the day I’d have Ras in before Worner and Banfield but I guess what Ras has shown which is disappointing is that he is not good up forward. Banfield is a better forward. Worner clearly a better back. Both Worner and Banfield can also run on the wing. Ras had a very short run on the wing and it didn’t last long. He did quite well through the midfield but is behind JOM plain and simple.

 

[wakojako]

Putting commentary about the coach aside, I feel really bad for Ras. He deserves to play this round before Young returns next week. Must be so disheartening to show up in good form during preseason and not get rewarded.

 

[Hamann188]

If Worner/Banfield over Erasmus is enough to sway results then we weren’t a serious team in the first place.

It's a pretty clear indication of where the heads of the coaches and selection teams are at.

If they can't even select the best players that we have on the roster, how are they going develop a gameplan that gets the team over the line week in/week out.

It's not so much that Erasmus is a difference maker, but can you explain to me exactly what Banfield and Worner offer to the team that he doesn't.

Even if the output is exactly the same right now, you can't argue that at this age and with this potential, Erasmus doesn't have a higher ceiling than either of the alternatives.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

That is my summation. The sub came down to Worner or Ras with the two ins.

Ras is not suited to the sub and better served playing a full game in the WAFL.

At the end of the day I’d have Ras in before Worner and Banfield but I guess what Ras has shown which is disappointing is that he is not good up forward. Banfield is a better forward. Worner clearly a better back. Both Worner and Banfield can also run on the wing. Ras had a very short run on the wing and it didn’t last long. He did quite well through the midfield but is behind JOM plain and simple.

I'd add that I'd like to see Ras play as more of a fwd, coz he was fine enough playing there against Sydney. Plus last season, Banners was a way worse fwd than he was a winger. But if Banners is specifically given a defensive role on eg Dale (he should be), there's 0 argument for playing Ras ahead of Banners.

 

[Superkoops]

I'd add that I'd like to see Ras play as more of a fwd, coz he was fine enough playing there against Sydney. Plus last season, Banners was a way worse fwd than he was a winger. But if Banners is specifically given a defensive role on eg Dale (he should be), there's 0 argument for playing Ras ahead of Banners.

He hasn’t shown any ability up forward. Made a couple of good tackles. That is it. He has had some snaps at goal that never looked likely. He really needs to improve his forward craft if he wants a more regular game. Compare to MJohnson who ran through the lines to kick a nice goal. I’ve not seen anything like that from Ras.

 

[Hamann188]

That's pretty amazing that you'd base your tip on the 22nd/23rd selected player.

More the fact that it shows how the coaches and selectors are thinking.

"Let's NOT select the best 23 players we have and just roll the dice".

Absolutely no game plan or desire to actually take the game on.

It's like they are trying to get sacked.

 

[StingBitten]

Erasmus gets dropped after playing decent footy.

Worner keeps his spot after playing putrid footy.

Aish did bugger all to get dropped and should be in the side.

JL just absolutely has to be sacked - the bloke is so conservative and I just don't think he has a handle on things anymore. He has the worst qualities of Ross in picking his favourites with none of the good stuff between the ears.

 

[Midnite65]

Brodie will asked to be traded no doubt.

All for JOM to have 4 years and Worner 2 coming off the Rookie List. Sometimes list management is wanting

He probably asked to be traded the last 2 years but there were no takers.

 

[Purple Jesus]

When you want a C. Warner but get a K. Worner