Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[Wosh]

Mainly here so we can enjoy the LOLs afterwards at the end of 2023, but also an interesting discussion point.

I’m in genuine two minds and can’t call it, but who do you see finishing higher in 2023?

Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective?

Let the games begin…

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[beerbandit]

Obviously saving it for our next game

Also beat me to my edit Rob.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Not sure this week is the W Pies fans think it is.

Yesterday was a cracking game between two heavyweights. It didn't go our way but we're every chance to get them in round 15. For me, there are still question marks over a few mental aspects - eg kicking straight when there's pressure on. We're ticking a few boxes but there's still plenty to work on.

Collingwood couldn't beat a projected bottom 6 team.

Pies rebound game could really cause us issues next week, we're struggling big time with our transition defense.

 

[My Tilly]

Collingwood win next week, they are only a game behind with a draw in their back pocket.
And have not yet played anything remotely close to their best footy to date.

Meanwhile, Carlton supporters are ringing up talk back radio carrying on as if they are sure things for this years flag.

 

[carlton_99]

Collingwood win next week, they are only a game behind with a draw in their back pocket.
And have not yet played anything remotely close to their best footy to date.

Meanwhile, Carlton supporters are ringing up talk back radio carrying on as if they are sure things for this years flag.

Sure they are - good to see talk back radio is being considered representative of Carlton fans

 

[My Tilly]

Sure they are - good to see talk back radio is being considered representative of Carlton fans

How about your own board then?
You are all convinced the umpiring cost you the game

 

[carlton_99]

How about your own board then?
You are all convinced the umpiring cost you the game

I am the board and can tell you that is categorically false. I understand you like making sweeping statements but you know full well saying that umpiring was poor does not mean they were the sole reason a team lost the game.

 

[My Tilly]

I am the board and can tell you that is categorically false. I understand you like making sweeping statements like that but you know full well saying that umpiring was poor does not mean they were the sole reason a team lost the game.

It's good to see one supporter admit that then.

 

[Robertio]

How about your own board then?
You are all convinced the umpiring cost you the game

All of us is stretching the truth a bit

 

[carlton_99]

It's good to see one supporter admit that then.

Yeh just one...

 

[bradfisher14]

Collingwood win next week, they are only a game behind with a draw in their back pocket.
And have not yet played anything remotely close to their best footy to date.

Meanwhile, Carlton supporters are ringing up talk back radio carrying on as if they are sure things for this years flag.

And you think Carlton has?

 

[My Tilly]

And you think Carlton has?

You have certainly played a hell of a lot better than what Collingwood has.
In fact, McKay, Cripps, De Koning and a probably a couple more are playing career-best footy. Name me at least one player for Collingwood (in their prime) that is having a solid season?

You played as well as you could possibly play yesterday and it was still not enough. Umpiring appears to be a main talking point. That 50 metre penalty somehow led to Geelong scoring 3 unanswered goals.

 

[Thrawn]

Collingwood win next week, they are only a game behind with a draw in their back pocket.
And have not yet played anything remotely close to their best footy to date.

Meanwhile, Carlton supporters are ringing up talk back radio carrying on as if they are sure things for this years flag.

Collingwood struggled to beat an Essendon side who don't have elite key forwards. What makes you think victory is assured?

I would also argue Collingwood actually did - it was against Port. Same stuff we saw last year.

 

[carlton_99]

You have certainly played a hell of a lot better than what Collingwood has.
In fact, McKay, Cripps, De Koning and a probably a couple more are playing career-best footy. Name me at least one player for Collingwood (in their prime) that is having a solid season?

You played as well as you could possibly play yesterday and it was still not enough. Umpiring appears to be a main talking point. That 50 metre penalty somehow led to Geelong scoring 3 unanswered goals.

Aren't Collingwood playing pretty much their best 23 bar Mcstay? I expect them to continue to improve and still finish near the top but don't we have upside with some ins...?

 

[Thrawn]

You played as well as you could possibly play yesterday and it was still not enough.

Not really?

Could've kicked a lot straighter for starters.

 

[My Tilly]

Collingwood struggled to beat an Essendon side who don't have elite key forwards. What makes you think victory is assured?

I would also argue Collingwood actually did - it was against Port. Same stuff we saw last year.

What makes you think Essendon who are currently sitting 7th are not a good team?

 

[Thrawn]

What makes you think Essendon who are currently sitting 7th are not a good team?

Because they aren't fighting for a top four spot and don't have the weapons some of the teams above them have.

 

[carlton_99]

Not really?

Could've kicked a lot straighter for starters.

Don't forget we were defensively poor. Very rarely do Carlton give up a score like that over the last couple of years

 

[My Tilly]

Because they aren't fighting for a top four spot and don't have the weapons some of the teams above them have.

Bit like your thoughts of Geelong's unnamed midfield prior to our encounter then.

Essendon traveling well at the minute. Better than you may think.

 

[Thrawn]

Don't forget we were defensively poor. Very rarely do Carlton give up a score like that over the last couple of years

We were, but at the same time, we had enough scoring opportunities to win. How many times do you see teams kick four posters in a match?

 

[carlton_99]

We were, but at the same time, we had enough scoring opportunities to win. How many times do you see teams kick four posters in a match?

Our kicking for goal has been poor last few weeks. 2.8 first quarter yesterday was very disappointing and deflating

 

[bradfisher14]

You have certainly played a hell of a lot better than what Collingwood has.
In fact, McKay, Cripps, De Koning and a probably a couple more are playing career-best footy. Name me at least one player for Collingwood (in their prime) that is having a solid season?

You played as well as you could possibly play yesterday and it was still not enough. Umpiring appears to be a main talking point. That 50 metre penalty somehow led to Geelong scoring 3 unanswered goals.

I disagree with you here. We were solid in some aspects of the game yesterday, but nowhere near our expected levels in many others.

Whereas I would argue that Geelong have been playing at 100% of their capacity during the first seven games of this season. It's exciting for you. I would focus on enjoying that instead of putting forward this half-baked analysis based on talkback radio.

 

[Thrawn]

Bit like your thoughts of Geelong's unnamed midfield prior to our encounter then.

Essendon traveling well at the minute. Better than you may think.

Comparing whole teams here, not just one part of them so it's not really a good analogy. For example, our midfield is performing really well but our defense is currently struggling and we missed some sodas in front of goal. That's going to hurt us more despite that little extra bit of midfield dominance we had. Doesn't mean much if you can't capitalise on it.

Essendon still got crushed by Sydney and Port, so their form is topsy-turvy right now. The difference between us and Essendon is that our midfield is better and we have forwards that can turn a game on its head. They almost did it yesterday but they need a supporting cast to play well to beat the best.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

You have certainly played a hell of a lot better than what Collingwood has.
In fact, McKay, Cripps, De Koning and a probably a couple more are playing career-best footy. Name me at least one player for Collingwood (in their prime) that is having a solid season?

You played as well as you could possibly play yesterday and it was still not enough. Umpiring appears to be a main talking point. That 50 metre penalty somehow led to Geelong scoring 3 unanswered goals.

Now this is funny.

Missed absolute sitters all day with plenty of players having stinkers and you rolled us by 2 goals with a near full-strength squad.

I would not be getting this cocky so early.

It's April. From memory Geelong were like 4-3 this time in 2022.

 

[My Tilly]

I disagree with you here. We were solid in some aspects of the game yesterday, but nowhere near our expected levels in many others.

Whereas I would argue that Geelong have been playing at 100% of their capacity

-21 inside fifties
-35 disposals
-8 clearances
-13 marks
-4 frees
+2 tackles
-10 hitouts
-20 contested possessions
+2 turnovers

Lost Dangerfield and also Bruhn for extended minutes in the crucial third quarter.

Team hardly played to their capacity at all.

 

[My Tilly]

Now this is funny.

Missed absolute sitters all day with plenty of players having stinkers and you rolled us by 2 goals with a near full-strength squad.

I would not be getting this cocky so early.

It's April. From memory Geelong were like 4-3 this time in 2022.

Even funnier your comments about umpires after the game.
You'd think Blues had 10 more scoring shots than their opposition yesterday.