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guruisatiger said:
Brown,,Smith,, tresize,,young,,Gibcus,,miller
Maybe banks,, Bauer,,pretty good future backline
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There has been so much criticism about how we always draft back flankers. Yet the game has been evolving and now players who can defend, use the ball well and launch scores from half back are influencing/winning games and worth their weight in gold.

In addition Miller looks great as a KPP with t specific job to do and the game in front of him. Young is finding his groove again as a lock down KPP and Gibcus we know can play. So the corner stones look set. We now have some outstanding looking young running defenders beginning to emerge, Brown, Trezise, Smith, Bauer and as you say perhaps even Banks.

The future looks good in these kids hands. Kudos to the club for having the foresight to draft these kids with great kicking skills being the priority. You build your premiership sides around defence and the club looks to have been doing exactly that in the background.
 
Masotiger said:
Broke his arm in the '82 GF. Some Carlton campaigner went to kick the ball off the ground and broke his arm.

Everything that could go wrong that day went wrong. Sacked Jewell the year before, Bruce broke his arm, Bourke pulled Malthouse's shoulder out the Thursday before GF day, Brian Taylor was dropped when named in the team, it rained, Helen D'Amico streaked.... F me, I could go on and on and on!! Campaigner of a day.

I could smell the stench of death around the club post that.

Far car from where we are now. Right now we're paying the price of success under the rules of the day. But, we'll be back. I have absolutely no doubt.
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Yep I was there that day too. Bloody shocker. Although the police marched Helen straight past me (I think I was 15) just near the ambulance bay and the jacket they'd put over her opened up to give me an awesome flash ! She looked me straight in the eye too lol 😆 So it wasn't all bad for a young fella. I remember we were right in it til half time and then the rain came and blunted our talls. Kenny Hunter did the rest.

35 years of footy darkness followed.

That's why I will never bag Dimma or our premiership heroes. They literally led us out of the wilderness and for that I am forever grateful 🥲 ❤️
 

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YeOldTiger said:
Yep I was there that day too. Bloody shocker. Although the police marched Helen straight past me (I think I was 15) just near the ambulance bay and the jacket they'd put over her opened up to give me an awesome flash ! She looked me straight in the eye too lol 😆 So it wasn't all bad for a young fella. I remember we were right in it til half time and then the rain came and blunted our talls. Kenny Hunter did the rest.

35 years of footy darkness followed.

That's why I will never bag Dimma or our premiership heroes. They literally led us out of the wilderness and for that I am forever grateful 🥲 ❤️
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Have you had counselling about that. Not the lose, Helen D flashing you while looking you straight in the eye, you were only 15 after all.
 
Blokes that can kick like Brown are gold. They can tear a defence to shreds with one well place kick. Needs to be given the licence to go for the high reward options to test his limits even if it costs us goals while he is learning. Need to feed him the footy coming out of defence as much as possible to fast track his development.
 

The facts proving Tiger young gun Tom Brown is one of AFL’s best kicks, four games into his career​

The numbers don’t lie: Tom Brown is one of the AFL’s best kicks. But if you ask the Richmond young gun, he reckons he’s not even the best kick in his family.

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April 10, 2024 - 6:00AM
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Richmond’s emerging defender Tom Brown says he isn’t even the best kick in his family.
He cites father Paul, who played 84 games at Geelong kicking the ball in Gary Ablett Sr’s general direction and letting him take care of business.
On Sunday Brown had his own AFL legend to assist him as his audacious inside-out drop kick to a leading Dustin Martin was labelled the best kick of the season.
Already punters on TikTok are uploading compilations of the silkiest kicks from the No. 17 draft pick of the 2021 draft despite his AFL career only spanning four games.
And while it is a small sample size he ranks second only behind Melbourne’s Kysaiah Pickett on Champion Data’s kick rating, taking in the execution and difficulty of every kick this season.
Pickett’s kick rating is a remarkable plus 23.2 per cent, with his expected rating 51.8 per cent but his actual success rate 75 per cent.

Top 10 Players for Kick Rating in 2024 (minimum 20 total kicks)​

PlayerMatchesKicksExpectedActualKick Rating
Kysaiah Pickett42451.8%75.0%+23.2%
Tom Brown32545.1%60.0%+14.9%
Jacob van Rooyen52543.4%56.0%+12.6%
Dan Houston45648.4%60.7%+12.3%
Jake Stringer43247.2%59.4%+12.2%
Toby Greene44346.1%58.1%+12.0%
Zach Guthrie44947.3%59.2%+11.9%
Josh Ward43549.0%60.0%+11.0%
Nick Holman42034.0%45.0%+11.0%
Jordan Clark46949.2%59.4%+10.2%

Second-placed Brown has an expected kick rating of 45 per cent — a high degree of difficulty — yet has hit 60 per cent of those targets.
He leads third-placed Jacob Van Rooyen (plus 12.6 per cent), Dan Houston (plus 12.3 per cent), Jake Stringer (plus 12.2 per cent) and Toby Greene (plus 12 per cent).
Remarkably, Brisbane’s Charlie Cameron has the AFL’s worst kick rating (minus 16 per cent), behind Sydney’s Joel Amartey (minus 14.3 per cent), Fremantle’s Matthew Johnson (minus 11.9 per cent), and Carlton’s Lochie Fogarty (11.9 per cent).
Brown has not only found the intercept game that saw the Tigers swooping on him in the 2021 draft, his kicking shapes as a Richmond defensive weapon.
“I guess as a kid I was always kicking the footy, it was my favourite part of the sport, but I haven’t focused on it more than any other thing,” Brown said on Tuesday.
Richmond’s Tom Brown has been a revelation off the backline for the Tigers this season. Picture: Michael Klein

Richmond’s Tom Brown has been a revelation off the backline for the Tigers this season. Picture: Michael Klein
“Back in the day Dad would kick it to Gary Ablett and he would sort it out. This weekend I kicked it to Dusty and he got us going forward.
“I don’t know if it’s about taking the risky options but if you see Dusty and you put it out in front of him he will mark it. It’s a no-brainer to give it to him.”
“My family have been sending me a few of those TikToks but I just use my instincts and whatever target is in front of me I try to hit it.

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One of five Richmond picks in the top 30 of the 2021 draft, Tigers fans are now seeing what their defence could be like in future years if he and Josh Gibcus can throw off injury concerns.
“My aerial power has been one of my strengths and the guys have told me to back myself in.
“In my first year maybe I hadn’t quite adjusted to the system and then in my second year I was flying and had a wrist injury and was out for half the season. But this year I have had good luck with my body. It’s unbelievable to play in defence. Daniel Rioli is always there to add shape to the backline and Nick Vlastuin is such a great leader out there, not to mention Tylar Young and Ben Miller.”
 

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Tiger_Of_Old said:

The facts proving Tiger young gun Tom Brown is one of AFL’s best kicks, four games into his career​

The numbers don’t lie: Tom Brown is one of the AFL’s best kicks. But if you ask the Richmond young gun, he reckons he’s not even the best kick in his family.

Follow
@RalphyHeraldSun


April 10, 2024 - 6:00AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
Richmond’s emerging defender Tom Brown says he isn’t even the best kick in his family.
He cites father Paul, who played 84 games at Geelong kicking the ball in Gary Ablett Sr’s general direction and letting him take care of business.
On Sunday Brown had his own AFL legend to assist him as his audacious inside-out drop kick to a leading Dustin Martin was labelled the best kick of the season.
Already punters on TikTok are uploading compilations of the silkiest kicks from the No. 17 draft pick of the 2021 draft despite his AFL career only spanning four games.
And while it is a small sample size he ranks second only behind Melbourne’s Kysaiah Pickett on Champion Data’s kick rating, taking in the execution and difficulty of every kick this season.
Pickett’s kick rating is a remarkable plus 23.2 per cent, with his expected rating 51.8 per cent but his actual success rate 75 per cent.

Top 10 Players for Kick Rating in 2024 (minimum 20 total kicks)​

PlayerMatchesKicksExpectedActualKick Rating
Kysaiah Pickett42451.8%75.0%+23.2%
Tom Brown32545.1%60.0%+14.9%
Jacob van Rooyen52543.4%56.0%+12.6%
Dan Houston45648.4%60.7%+12.3%
Jake Stringer43247.2%59.4%+12.2%
Toby Greene44346.1%58.1%+12.0%
Zach Guthrie44947.3%59.2%+11.9%
Josh Ward43549.0%60.0%+11.0%
Nick Holman42034.0%45.0%+11.0%
Jordan Clark46949.2%59.4%+10.2%

Second-placed Brown has an expected kick rating of 45 per cent — a high degree of difficulty — yet has hit 60 per cent of those targets.
He leads third-placed Jacob Van Rooyen (plus 12.6 per cent), Dan Houston (plus 12.3 per cent), Jake Stringer (plus 12.2 per cent) and Toby Greene (plus 12 per cent).
Remarkably, Brisbane’s Charlie Cameron has the AFL’s worst kick rating (minus 16 per cent), behind Sydney’s Joel Amartey (minus 14.3 per cent), Fremantle’s Matthew Johnson (minus 11.9 per cent), and Carlton’s Lochie Fogarty (11.9 per cent).
Brown has not only found the intercept game that saw the Tigers swooping on him in the 2021 draft, his kicking shapes as a Richmond defensive weapon.
“I guess as a kid I was always kicking the footy, it was my favourite part of the sport, but I haven’t focused on it more than any other thing,” Brown said on Tuesday.
Richmond’s Tom Brown has been a revelation off the backline for the Tigers this season. Picture: Michael Klein

Richmond’s Tom Brown has been a revelation off the backline for the Tigers this season. Picture: Michael Klein
“Back in the day Dad would kick it to Gary Ablett and he would sort it out. This weekend I kicked it to Dusty and he got us going forward.
“I don’t know if it’s about taking the risky options but if you see Dusty and you put it out in front of him he will mark it. It’s a no-brainer to give it to him.”
“My family have been sending me a few of those TikToks but I just use my instincts and whatever target is in front of me I try to hit it.

​

One of five Richmond picks in the top 30 of the 2021 draft, Tigers fans are now seeing what their defence could be like in future years if he and Josh Gibcus can throw off injury concerns.
“My aerial power has been one of my strengths and the guys have told me to back myself in.
“In my first year maybe I hadn’t quite adjusted to the system and then in my second year I was flying and had a wrist injury and was out for half the season. But this year I have had good luck with my body. It’s unbelievable to play in defence. Daniel Rioli is always there to add shape to the backline and Nick Vlastuin is such a great leader out there, not to mention Tylar Young and Ben Miller.”
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How is Gulden not on that list? He's delivered some of the most sublime passes to teammate advantage I've seen this season. He's taken over from Caleb Daniel as the most brilliant footpasser in the comp imo.

But yeah, of more relevance to us, Brown has been superb too.
 
GhostofJimJess said:
How is Gulden not on that list? He's delivered some of the most sublime passes to teammate advantage I've seen this season. He's taken over from Caleb Daniel as the most brilliant footpasser in the comp imo.

But yeah, of more relevance to us, Brown has been superb too.
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Data's great but don't ignore the eye test. I wouldn't take that list as the gospel order of elite kicks, it's obvious without stats the quality of Brown's right foot. Gulden too, regardless of where he sits in the stat sheet
 
juss said:
Data's great but don't ignore the eye test. I wouldn't take that list as the gospel order of elite kicks, it's obvious without stats the quality of Brown's right foot. Gulden too, regardless of where he sits in the stat sheet
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Zackly...data never does it for me...the eye test is the one!
Only takes seeing a couple of sublime kick/passes to recalibrate one's idea of who is a good kick of the footy or not!
And to be able to kick well under game pressure/oppo harassment is another skill entirely!
To kick well under game pressure we are talking Elite! The cream! GAJ!!!
 
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Tiger_Of_Old said:

The facts proving Tiger young gun Tom Brown is one of AFL’s best kicks, four games into his career​

The numbers don’t lie: Tom Brown is one of the AFL’s best kicks. But if you ask the Richmond young gun, he reckons he’s not even the best kick in his family.

Follow
@RalphyHeraldSun


April 10, 2024 - 6:00AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
Richmond’s emerging defender Tom Brown says he isn’t even the best kick in his family.
He cites father Paul, who played 84 games at Geelong kicking the ball in Gary Ablett Sr’s general direction and letting him take care of business.
On Sunday Brown had his own AFL legend to assist him as his audacious inside-out drop kick to a leading Dustin Martin was labelled the best kick of the season.
Already punters on TikTok are uploading compilations of the silkiest kicks from the No. 17 draft pick of the 2021 draft despite his AFL career only spanning four games.
And while it is a small sample size he ranks second only behind Melbourne’s Kysaiah Pickett on Champion Data’s kick rating, taking in the execution and difficulty of every kick this season.
Pickett’s kick rating is a remarkable plus 23.2 per cent, with his expected rating 51.8 per cent but his actual success rate 75 per cent.

Top 10 Players for Kick Rating in 2024 (minimum 20 total kicks)​

PlayerMatchesKicksExpectedActualKick Rating
Kysaiah Pickett42451.8%75.0%+23.2%
Tom Brown32545.1%60.0%+14.9%
Jacob van Rooyen52543.4%56.0%+12.6%
Dan Houston45648.4%60.7%+12.3%
Jake Stringer43247.2%59.4%+12.2%
Toby Greene44346.1%58.1%+12.0%
Zach Guthrie44947.3%59.2%+11.9%
Josh Ward43549.0%60.0%+11.0%
Nick Holman42034.0%45.0%+11.0%
Jordan Clark46949.2%59.4%+10.2%

Second-placed Brown has an expected kick rating of 45 per cent — a high degree of difficulty — yet has hit 60 per cent of those targets.
He leads third-placed Jacob Van Rooyen (plus 12.6 per cent), Dan Houston (plus 12.3 per cent), Jake Stringer (plus 12.2 per cent) and Toby Greene (plus 12 per cent).
Remarkably, Brisbane’s Charlie Cameron has the AFL’s worst kick rating (minus 16 per cent), behind Sydney’s Joel Amartey (minus 14.3 per cent), Fremantle’s Matthew Johnson (minus 11.9 per cent), and Carlton’s Lochie Fogarty (11.9 per cent).
Brown has not only found the intercept game that saw the Tigers swooping on him in the 2021 draft, his kicking shapes as a Richmond defensive weapon.
“I guess as a kid I was always kicking the footy, it was my favourite part of the sport, but I haven’t focused on it more than any other thing,” Brown said on Tuesday.
Richmond’s Tom Brown has been a revelation off the backline for the Tigers this season. Picture: Michael Klein

Richmond’s Tom Brown has been a revelation off the backline for the Tigers this season. Picture: Michael Klein
“Back in the day Dad would kick it to Gary Ablett and he would sort it out. This weekend I kicked it to Dusty and he got us going forward.
“I don’t know if it’s about taking the risky options but if you see Dusty and you put it out in front of him he will mark it. It’s a no-brainer to give it to him.”
“My family have been sending me a few of those TikToks but I just use my instincts and whatever target is in front of me I try to hit it.

​

One of five Richmond picks in the top 30 of the 2021 draft, Tigers fans are now seeing what their defence could be like in future years if he and Josh Gibcus can throw off injury concerns.
“My aerial power has been one of my strengths and the guys have told me to back myself in.
“In my first year maybe I hadn’t quite adjusted to the system and then in my second year I was flying and had a wrist injury and was out for half the season. But this year I have had good luck with my body. It’s unbelievable to play in defence. Daniel Rioli is always there to add shape to the backline and Nick Vlastuin is such a great leader out there, not to mention Tylar Young and Ben Miller.”
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Another post mentioning JVR lol
 
juss said:
Data's great but don't ignore the eye test. I wouldn't take that list as the gospel order of elite kicks, it's obvious without stats the quality of Brown's right foot. Gulden too, regardless of where he sits in the stat sheet
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Champion data.
Biggest con along with aflhq
 
smasha said:
On Dwayne's show tomorrow.
Kept mentioning him as a son of a Cat player.
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I think hes Jonathan Brown's son

Played for the Lions
 
smasha said:
On Dwayne's show tomorrow.
Kept mentioning him as a son of a Cat player.
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He is his old man almost played 100 games for them
 
his kicking is elite but he's also an amazing defender. good to see him taking a few intercept marks on good players. I remember his first few games in the vfl he was able to get his hands to every single marking contest to spoil it, many times he had no right to get hands to it but did

not sure what he lacks that wouldn't be solved by just continuing to get afl experience, and maturing his body which will come with time. he even racked up tackles and that little basketball tap to himself in the centre of the ground in the 1v2 shows he's a skilled below the knees player

just gotta make sure his shoulders stay on. him, young & miller would have to go through a roll of tape each every week
 
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