Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

[Gethelred]

Hey all,

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[Cap]

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Next week they're offering the same to Gazans

 

[Andre]

Next week they're offering the same to Gazans

Yep, obviously got to help Hamas rearm

 

[barreness]

Ukraine getting desperate it seems, not sure this arms shipment will arrive in time nor have a great effect

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ces-make-significant-gains-in-eastern-ukraine
'It comes as Ukraine’s foreign ministry said it was suspending consular services for military-age men living abroad, except for those heading back to Ukraine, in a move designed to increase conscription.'

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Ukraine getting desperate it seems, not sure this arms shipment will arrive in time nor have a great effect

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ces-make-significant-gains-in-eastern-ukraine
'It comes as Ukraine’s foreign ministry said it was suspending consular services for military-age men living abroad, except for those heading back to Ukraine, in a move designed to increase conscription.'

Haven't we been told that Russia was losing and Ukrainian farmers had outsmarted, out fought and generally thrashed the opposition?
Well the latest arms begging seems odd.

 

[Cap]

Ukraine getting desperate it seems, not sure this arms shipment will arrive in time nor have a great effect

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ces-make-significant-gains-in-eastern-ukraine
'It comes as Ukraine’s foreign ministry said it was suspending consular services for military-age men living abroad, except for those heading back to Ukraine, in a move designed to increase conscription.'

What do you suggest they do when their opposition is more focused on killing civilans than soliders ?

Hopefully the extra solider get to use the newest weapons to improve ukraines prospects

Haven't we been told that Russia was losing and Ukrainian farmers had outsmarted, out fought and generally thrashed the opposition?
Well the latest arms begging seems odd.

No, its been well documented that Russia was able to obtain missles and drones from other dictatorships in order to blow up apartments.

Hopefully the latest arms announcements help Ukraine to defend themselves

 

[barreness]

What do you suggest they do when their opposition is more focused on killing civilans than soliders ?

Hopefully the extra solider get to use the newest weapons to improve ukraines prospects

Sue for peace. Notwithstanding some early massacres this is pretty clearly a troop vs troop engagement

It goes against the argument that Ukraine is choosing to fight, many fleed and want nothing to do with it, and fair play to them. Also that they just need a few more arms and it'll be over by summer, they're running out of troops as well.

No, its been well documented that Russia was able to obtain missles and drones from other dictatorships in order to blow up apartments.

Hopefully the latest arms announcements help Ukraine to defend themselves

Think it'd be fair to say there's been a fair bit of technology trade between Iran and Russia, Russia makes most of there own version of the Shahed, some shells from North Korea. It's also been well documented that Russia has gone full war economy and can currently out produce the rest of Europe in the weapons currently used on the front line ie artillery, guide bombs, mechanised infantry

 

[wannabejack]

Haven't we been told that Russia was losing and Ukrainian farmers had outsmarted, out fought and generally thrashed the opposition?
Well the latest arms begging seems odd.

When Vladimir Putin began his invasion, he expected to take control of Ukraine within 10 days. So what went wrong?
Vladimir Putin was doing his own "begging" of his allies to give weapons to Moscow in order to continue its "10 day" invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Cap]

Sue for peace. Notwithstanding some early massacres this is pretty clearly a troop vs troop engagement

No offence, but that has to be one of the silliest comments I've read since Marjorie Taylor Green opened her mouth.

It goes against the argument that Ukraine is choosing to fight, many fleed and want nothing to do with it, and fair play to them. Also that they just need a few more arms and it'll be over by summer, they're running out of troops as well.

making sure you have enough reserves does not equal running out of troops.

It won't be over by summer, that's a vatnik dream.

Think it'd be fair to say there's been a fair bit of technology trade between Iran and Russia, Russia makes most of there own version of the Shahed, some shells from North Korea. It's also been well documented that Russia has gone full war economy and can currently out produce the rest of Europe in the weapons currently used on the front line ie artillery, guide bombs, mechanised infantry

Yes it has been.

Thankfully the west has finally woken up.

The only way this ends is the destruction of the Putin regime.

I just hope we get to see him dragged through the streets of Keiv.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Ukraine getting desperate it seems, not sure this arms shipment will arrive in time nor have a great effect

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ces-make-significant-gains-in-eastern-ukraine
'It comes as Ukraine’s foreign ministry said it was suspending consular services for military-age men living abroad, except for those heading back to Ukraine, in a move designed to increase conscription.'

Ukraine war: US secretly gives Kyiv long-range missiles

Missiles delivered this month have been used to strike Russian targets in Crimea, US media say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mobbs]

There's been yet another attack on oil production facilities in Russia, this time an oil refinery in Smolensk (I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time a refinery has been targeted near Smolensk but I could be wrong).
From [Denys Davydov's] TG.

At night, SBU drones attacked oil refineries in the Smolensk region and Voronezh

UAVs also attacked the Lipetsk Tractor Plant, which produces, among other things, chassis for military equipment. The extent of damage to the plant is currently unknown.

 

[Mobbs]

Maybe it's a stretch to say it's topical, but watching a bit of youtube today and this video was a handy reminder to me that ... welll ... what's an Australian way to say it ... Russia really can be meddling whiney campaigners sometimes.

Note references to claiming the Vistula Canal was a "(military) threat"! Apparently they feared the "strength", "independence" & "sovereignty" Poland would gain. And Poland opening the canal on the anniversary of the Soviet Union's invasion of Poland in WW2, I'm sure that was a coincidence.

 

[wannabejack]

‘It’s Going to Take Some Time for Us to Dig out of This Hole’ - Ukraine at War Update for April 25

Long-range missiles from US have already been delivered; Moscow plans to sink June peace summit, Zelensky says; Washington says Avdiivka loss was its fault.

www.kyivpost.com

“It is possible Russia could make additional tactical gains in the coming weeks,” Sullivan [US National Security Advisor] said. He pointed out, in particular, the increasing pressure in Chasiv Yar and in towns west of Avdiivka. “The fact is, it is going to take some time for us to dig out of the hole that was created by six months of delay before Congress passed the supplemental,” he said.

Speaking with international envoys and representatives of organizations within Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on Wednesday that the Kremlin has formulated “specific” plans to sabotage a global peace summit scheduled for June in Switzerland.

Russian oil refining hits lowest output levels in about a year.

Russia says 29 abducted children returning to Ukraine

 

[jatz14]

Haven't we been told that Russia was losing and Ukrainian farmers had outsmarted, out fought and generally thrashed the opposition?
Well the latest arms begging seems odd.

Why?

 

[jatz14]

Ukraine getting desperate it seems, not sure this arms shipment will arrive in time nor have a great effect

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ces-make-significant-gains-in-eastern-ukraine
'It comes as Ukraine’s foreign ministry said it was suspending consular services for military-age men living abroad, except for those heading back to Ukraine, in a move designed to increase conscription.'

The arms for Ukraine are in Europe, ready to go.
Until the bill passed, they couldn't give it to Ukraine, that doesn't mean it had to stay in the US though, they pre shipped it.
Once Biden signs it, in days, at most, the arms will begin crossing into Ukraine in hours, not months like you seem to think.

Theoretically, the US military could have bought a bunch of warehouses in Western Ukraine, filled them up with supplies, and the moment Biden signs the bill, hand the keys to Ukraine, and say, here you go, its now yours.

And the extra military supplies from Europe are starting to ramp up.

The US has already said it gave ATACMS under a Biden provision last month.

A prominent pro Russian, and relatively well informed mil blogger is warning that contrary to what Russia thinks, and what the hysterical in the West are saying, Ukraine is stronger now than it was in 2023, and there will be no breakthrough by Russia. However, they had been forced into rationing things like shells and missiles due to the constraints on supply.

Russia was banking on war fatigue, and declining support from the US and the West putting the Ukrainians in a position where they could see no way out but negotiating a surrender.

Given some of the hysterical and unhinged comments from Medvedev and others, they are now very very very unhappy.

Their bright shinny path to glorious victory just got slammed shut in their faces, and they face years of the Russian military being ground down, while the war they started prompts military build ups across the West.

Putins inability to ever come up with a strategy other than doubling down has screwed them big time. He should have taken the L and walked away the moment it was obvious that they couldn't take Kyev, and the West was going to provide support.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Why?

Well if your are winning so easy why get on your knees and beg for help.

 

[jatz14]

Well if your are winning so easy why get on your knees and beg for help.

You know how an artillery shell works?

You only get to use it once. Design flaw.

 

[Mobbs]

China allowed a Russian ship carrying weapons from North Korea to hide in its port [Denys Davydov]

According to analysts at the Royal United Services Institute, the ship, called Angara, is located in the port of Zhoushan in China's eastern Zhejiang province.

A satellite image of the vessel was published by Reuters.

The US State Department has already sent a request to China regarding the presence of this vessel there.

 

[Aussie in exile]

China allowed a Russian ship carrying weapons from North Korea to hide in its port [Denys Davydov]

According to analysts at the Royal United Services Institute, the ship, called Angara, is located in the port of Zhoushan in China's eastern Zhejiang province.

A satellite image of the vessel was published by Reuters.

The US State Department has already sent a request to China regarding the presence of this vessel there.

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The Chinese can't be trusted on any level like I and others have said many times.
Here, Europe, North America, South America, Africa. Everywhere.
The Russian's themselves will find this out whenever China decides to call in the debt that Russia owes them.

 

[Mobbs]

A video of alleged ballot stuffing during the Putins I mean the elections went viral but was overlooked and/or dismissed by courts. [K1 TG]

View attachment IMG_1418.MP4

I dunno what she was doing ... did she think she was out of range of CCTV on the floor? She's been dubbed the Panda Stuffer.

The court was unable to find footage of a member of the election commission throwing out ballots on her knees

For some very strange reason, the recording of this very moment on the video recorder installed in the St. Petersburg precinct election commission No. 5 was deleted, a representative of the commission said at the court hearing. And the judges decided not to consider the video with the missing moment that went viral on the Internet (because, as the same election commission representative explained, “it could have been made using the original video”)

 

[Mobbs]

Two RF military personnel killed 5 people, including civilians and apparently even other RF military, in occupied Kherson region. [K1 TG]

Two Russian servicemen killed 5 people in the occupied part of the Kherson region, sources

Among those killed were civilians, the occupation “head of the village” and servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces.

65-year-old Valentina Starchenko was found in a residential building in the occupied village of Podo-Kalinovka, Kherson region, on April 23. The criminals shot the woman in the stomach, set the house on fire and fled.

In the village of Abrikosovka, unknown persons hit the head with blows to the head of the “village head” (appointed by the Russian Federation) of Abrikosovka, 54-year-old Lyubov Tymchchak, and 40-year-old Russian soldier Alexei Glinin. The house with the corpses was also set on fire.

Two more people were shot in Abrikosovka - 32-year-old local resident Sergei Shuvaev and a serviceman of the Russian Armed Forces, whose identity has not been established. In this case, the bodies were also set on fire.

On April 24, two servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces were detained on suspicion of all these murders: 34-year-old Alexander Osipov and 36-year-old Alexander Kaygorodtsev, who had been previously convicted several times. Their motives are unknown. No criminal cases have been initiated.

 

[Mobbs]

In short with links forgotten or left behind cos in a rush to get out the door to work:

There was also a fire at an oil depot in Omsk, however it's seriously so far from the border with Ukraine, that unless its sabotage from within Russia, it's probably unlikely its related to the Ukraine program of attacks on fuel infrastructure within RF.

The US$ is projected to buy up to 120 RUB bu 2027 based on current dropping RF oil export prices. (I don't read much into long-term projections as its subject to so much change in the interim, but it's a model so it's possible).

Floodwaters near Kurgan reached uranium mines where there are fears of dangerous contamination.

Bot work in social media ramping up the calls for peace talks have gone haywire recently, most pundits putting it down to the passing of US support bills and expected replenishment of defensive resources for Ukraine - as if maybe shouting it louder will cause Ukraine to surrender before the resources arrive.

 

[Mobbs]

Oh and the US commitment to the latest (unrelated) aid package is 6 bn. It's large.

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[Millky95]

Oh and the US commitment to the latest (unrelated) aid package is 6 bn. It's large.

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And meant to be over years. I hope there is still a Ukraine in years to use it

Or stockpile it because Russia ****ed off by the end of the year

 

[barreness]

No offence, but that has to be one of the silliest comments I've read since Marjorie Taylor Green opened her mouth

ok, why?

making sure you have enough reserves does not equal running out of troops.

It won't be over by summer, that's a vatnik dream.

Nah it's been the west's dream with not a lot of backing, how do they take back the lost territory? Unless NATO commit troops(which they won't) then how do you turn the tide? Ukraine is on the brink here and their lines could collapse

Yes it has been.

Thankfully the west has finally woken up.

Have they? Still scrambling for shells

The only way this ends is the destruction of the Putin regime.

I just hope we get to see him dragged through the streets of Keiv.

Yeh because that turned out great in Libya and Iraq