Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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[Chief]

the Palestinians

Same old language. Any Palestinians you don't think of as "Hamas"? Any at all?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Same old language. Any Palestinians you don't think of as "Hamas"? Any at all?

Glad you are enjoying sweet cheeks.

 

[Chief]

Glad you are enjoying sweet cheeks.

You won't answer the question? Interesting for someone who was screeching about it earlier.

Very interesting.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Hey if you have evidence that the other countries are super keen to have the Palestinians in their backyard then please im all ears honey bunny.

No one accepts refugees en masse anywhere - that’s just standard “nothing in it for me” logic.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Thanks for proving me right. You want to believe one is worse than the other because then you can have your victim and your perp.

Scaling depravity is necessary
Kicking a puppy is depraved
Killing a single child is depraved
Killing ten thousand civilians is depraved
Applying the same level of moral indignation is silly as you will lose nuance.

 

[Blue1980]

In the US, Senator Lindsey Graham called for the wholesale destruction of Gaza. “We are in a religious war here. I’m with Israel. Do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself. Level the place,”

Despicable human being in general he is.

 

[Blue1980]

Without question the most compelling quote.

It's a fairly inept genocide if it is one. 30,000 deaths made up of both military and civilian casualties, out of 2 million Palestinians.

Where's the proportional outcry for the 6 million dead in the Congo? Oh thats right...the left haven't developed a stomach for that as yet.

This whataboutism defence is so dumb and overplayed.

The US and its allies are funding Israel, that’s what makes this different to other events around the world.

Saying no one should worry about Israel cos the Congo isn’t really a winning strategy either.

 

[Blue1980]

That's a whole lot of waffle and no response to the actual question posed. Why is Israel not murdering the nearly 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel en masse if genocide of Palestinian people is the ultimate goal of the state of Israel?

The whole place has been levelled basically, what magic number of dead or displacement do we need to get to for in your mind it to be a genocide? Or is it just a bit of ethnic cleansing?

If that’s the defence how it isn’t a particular version of genocide and maybe just ethnic cleansing curious/casual cleansing I don’t think that is much of a gotcha.

 

[Blue1980]

FIFY - typical woke s**t...

Calling out your regurgitated Israeli propaganda is woke?

This really fits into the conservative trope of woke just being anything you don’t like.

 

[Blue1980]

What is the obsession with scaling depravity? Depravity is depravity.
Every time I see people trying to stratify people like this it’s generally in an effort to make a dogmatic point that their chosen ’side’ is somehow better because they have subjectively done something slightly less depraved than the side they want to hate.

It’s this divisive partisan approach to social politics that has ruined us as a people and I refuse to conscribe to it, it weakens us all to those in ultimate power. Our political elite thrive on this game and that’s all of them, not just those you disagree with.

So in my eyes they are both (Hamas/Israeli government) ****ed pieces of s**t that deserve nothing but to be called out by everyone for what have both done and both continue to do, before any debate about the details of the history of these two peoples. Both of their people have suffered immeasurably and neither of them are helped by us in the west barracking for a team.



Gaza, West Bank, Israel.

Point is October 7 happened, how the hell is what has happened since proportional? (also adding in pre October 7 and that the whole thing didn’t just begin out of nothing)

October 7 was one event, Israel have been blowing up and killing people in Gaza every day for 7 months, hence why the calls for Israel to stop.

 

[Blue1980]

What do you think should have happened to the Jewish survivors following the holocaust?

Well during the Holocaust no one was taking the Jews and even a boatload was sent back from the US back to Germany and into gas chambers for the majority.

Which by your own logic means they deserved to die, as no one would take them.