List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

[Bojangles17]

Norf/Horf are prime examples as to why you don't gut your list, Both are bottom 2 for a reason & both have been listless all year, Horf only won last week as they played Norf. As for those you mentioned, 1 did gut their list & the other 2 never "bottomed out" & instead traded in some real B/C graders that are only taking games off kids (esp the Aints). look at Essendoom, they have done this for a decade & as it stands they are still a middle table side. In our case we invested in the Draft while at the top (despite what the "experts" want us to believe, funnily enough they are calling for us to go the "full Norf" route, no doubt so they can slam us for it in 3-4 yrs time when it backfires) and those kids are now getting a decent run at it. We need to keep investing in that area & keep building our next crop going fwd, especially this yr & next.

By comparison to those two we have been very competitive, in games for the most part , even with 16 injuries . These two get smashed from the get go . Since beating swans , we lost to injury
Lynch
Balta
Taranto
Ross
Short
Grimes
That’s gotta hurt
I’m ok with taking our s**t sandwich and scooping the best pics this year

 

[Triggering Tiger]

Can we package a bunch of our duds and lower first round pick for Will Day?

He’s exactly what we need

We need a hard nut midfielder who can get the pill and deliver it properly to our forwards without turning it over all the time but unfortunately they don't grow on trees i'm afraid.

 

[guruisatiger]

Ned Moyle from the Gold Coast should be a serious target

 

[RJK Tiger]

Ned Moyle from the Gold Coast should be a serious target

I honestly know nothing about him, but i was looking through the GC BF forum & they all think another club will snap him up and is a real hidden gem.

 

[THE_GUN]

Why would he come to Richmond to Ruck behind Nank

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

It happens.
Look at Bakes and Lambert.
Both WA sides who are chasing him now could've got him for nothing.
Same applies too Lambo.Right under Carltoons noses.

Broad

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Why would he come to Richmond to Ruck behind Nank

Maybe because they drafted Read (with a massive tank) from their academy who may jump the queue behind Witts.

 

[THE_GUN]

Maybe because they drafted Read (with a massive tank) from their academy who may jump the queue behind Witts.

Maybe he can go to another club where they need a Ruckman now ?

 

[RJK Tiger]

Why would he come to Richmond to Ruck behind Nank

Your right.

We should trade Nank

Trade Nank to the saints for their 2nd rounder & any additional later pick upgrades we can swindle. Trade Broad + our 3rd rounder for a mid-teams 2nd rounder.

Then, package Baker, the saints 2nd rounder + the ??? teams 2nd rounder to the Eagles for their 1st rounder if its pick 1-3.

Then, the club could trade Rioli + our 2nd rounder to the Suns for their first rounder + Moyle

Then, we can trade Pick 8 , Short & use the later pick upgrades to fill out a trade for JUH.

Would give us Pick 2,3, JUH + Moyle, with a massive chance of getting another top 3 & very early 2nd the following season. These moves combined with Balta Bolton

Great idea Gun

 

[Bojangles17]

Ned Moyle from the Gold Coast should be a serious target

Better than Samson Ryan ? I think our needs are elsewhere

 

[Bojangles17]

Your right.

We should trade Nank

Trade Nank to the saints for their 2nd rounder & any additional later pick upgrades we can swindle. Trade Broad + our 3rd rounder for a mid-teams 2nd rounder.

Then, package Baker, the saints 2nd rounder + the ??? teams 2nd rounder to the Eagles for their 1st rounder if its pick 1-3.

Then, the club could trade Rioli + our 2nd rounder to the Suns for their first rounder + Moyle

Then, we can trade Pick 8 , Short & use the later pick upgrades to fill out a trade for JUH.

Would give us Pick 2,3, JUH + Moyle, with a massive chance of getting another top 3 & very early 2nd the following season. These moves combined with Balta Bolton

Great idea Gun

Clubs don’t trade out their captains , grow up

 

[Barunga Bullet]

Staying fit, still playing footy, flying the flag for a teammate and ultimately falling victim to an overzealous ump who saw a big name and wanted to card him to inflate his own ego?

Seems like the exact type of thing you want from someone guiding others if you ask me

It happens all the time with former AFL players. Umps/players want their 10 seconds of fame. Scott Cummings played a couple of games for my club after he retired. He had a shot at goal from about 60 out and hit the post. He yelled out "f***" and the ump sent him off.

 

[tigerfan1961]

Doubt they’d let him go tbh , he’s a great example of our recruiters heads up their cracker with tall prospects , he was a bloody rookie he

Yeah right, so all the other teams recruiters also had their heads up their clacker? Hindsight is such a wonderful thing

 

[Bojangles17]

Yeah right, so all the other teams recruiters also had their heads up their clacker? Hindsight is such a wonderful thing

I was talking in generic sense that there’s talls out there beyond the ND , our actions would suggest we gave up that , there’s no one any good over 5”2

 

[fargothegreat]

Better than Samson Ryan ? I think our needs are elsewhere

He's got a much higher ceiling than Ryan.

 

[fargothegreat]

Maybe he can go to another club where they need a Ruckman now ?

I could see him heading to Hawthorn or Geelong and getting the number one role.

Not sure if we could play him alongside Nank? GC don't seem to want to play him with Witts.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Clubs don’t trade out their captains , grow up

Ryan Griffin, Jeff Hogg and Leigh Colbert are 3 off the top of my head

 

[SplintWhisky]

Your right.

We should trade Nank

Trade Nank to the saints for their 2nd rounder & any additional later pick upgrades we can swindle. Trade Broad + our 3rd rounder for a mid-teams 2nd rounder.

Then, package Baker, the saints 2nd rounder + the ??? teams 2nd rounder to the Eagles for their 1st rounder if its pick 1-3.

Then, the club could trade Rioli + our 2nd rounder to the Suns for their first rounder + Moyle

Then, we can trade Pick 8 , Short & use the later pick upgrades to fill out a trade for JUH.

Would give us Pick 2,3, JUH + Moyle, with a massive chance of getting another top 3 & very early 2nd the following season. These moves combined with Balta Bolton

Great idea Gun

I know that this is a sarcastic post but I am curious why you went Nank to Saints? Out of all the teams they are one with a pretty settled ruckman no?

 

[SplintWhisky]

Norf/Horf are prime examples as to why you don't gut your list, Both are bottom 2 for a reason & both have been listless all year, Horf only won last week as they played Norf. As for those you mentioned, 1 did gut their list & the other 2 never "bottomed out" & instead traded in some real B/C graders that are only taking games off kids (esp the Aints). look at Essendoom, they have done this for a decade & as it stands they are still a middle table side. In our case we invested in the Draft while at the top (despite what the "experts" want us to believe, funnily enough they are calling for us to go the "full Norf" route, no doubt so they can slam us for it in 3-4 yrs time when it backfires) and those kids are now getting a decent run at it. We need to keep investing in that area & keep building our next crop going fwd, especially this yr & next.

I think that people keep forgetting and keep overlooking the most recent example of how to actually build a list to be competitive ASAP. GWS is prime example of building a list and having it essentially robbed of a Grand Final spot because "the dogs are a great story". The fact that they can be compared to GC and other teams that have cut deep is great as a comparison.

GWS signed senior leaders and teachers (and one really homophobic jesus pusher) as well as a heap of very talented kids. They kept these senior players around a heap to guide and extract the talent from the kids. Gold Coast on the other hand took good players but not players that were leaders and could create a good culture. Look to the Saints as well, they played the senior leaders too long and didnt bring in enough youth. They also traded out the ones that still had some years left that could of been there as a "slot in" player when the kids needed breaks.

You can cut deep on a list but that needs to be cutting the chaff. The senior players that have currency but are really surplus to needs and have no real leadership capabilities. This is why I think we should be moving heaven and earth to keep Baker around for those standards he can set on the field.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

what has JUH done to warrant a big payday ?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Ryan Griffin, Jeff Hogg and Leigh Colbert are 3 off the top of my head

And Wayne Carey ... oops.

 

[LTT]

The occasional A grader falls out of the tree(Cameron/Lynch).Prefer too keep all our picks and I wouldn't be against getting someone like Treacy as part of the trade for Baker.

The value of Baker at Freo IMO would be the forward leader to play alongside Treacy and co. It would defeat the purpose of the trade if they traded out Treacy

 

[guruisatiger]

Better than Samson Ryan ? I think our needs are elsewhere

Yes much better ruck than Samson
Samson better forward
Would be an awesome combination going forward
Ned is 206 cm

 

[guruisatiger]

Why would he come to Richmond to Ruck behind Nank

Nank might be elsewhere next year

 

[guruisatiger]

Why would he come to Richmond to Ruck behind Nank

Nank often injured a