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moomba said:
You're making out that replay in any circumstances is a thing. Its not.
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Of course it's a thing. Case in point


In this case FIFA ordered the replay. The highest authority in the game

In the PL rule W51 states any fixture can be replayed if an independent commission finds that is appropriate.

IMO an independent commission investigating and deciding on the outcome would be the best way to kill it off now.

There was a League Cup match ordered to be replayed back in 2014 also.
 
Zidane98 said:
Of course it's a thing. Case in point


In this case FIFA ordered the replay. The highest authority in the game

In the PL rule W51 states any fixture can be replayed if an independent commission finds that is appropriate.

IMO an independent commission investigating and deciding on the outcome would be the best way to kill it off now.

There was a League Cup match ordered to be replayed back in 2014 also.
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So it doesn't say that in a particular situation a replay should be had, and in other situations it shouldn't.

As I thought.
 

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moomba said:
So it doesn't say that in a particular situation a replay should be had, and in other situations it shouldn't.

As I thought.
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Of course it doesn't. That's up to the competition organisers to decide. The provision for it is written into the rules. That's an absolute.

I'd say a team having 12 players on the park a whole game by error and winning would also constitute a commission to investigate if a replay is appropriate.

Because it is a breach of the laws of the game. That should be the only starting point for looking at investigating any result.

It's why citing an incorrect decision as a previous example is just not relevant. Because the laws of the game say an incorrect decision is allowed.

What the laws of the game do not allow is a decision made by VAR for an offside being any different to what the referee awards on the pitch with the exception in law that VAR technology was unavailable. In other words VAR ruling incorrectly the goal was offside would have been the end of it.
 
Zidane98 said:
VAR should be trained specialists just for VAR only. Should not be from the same pool of referees as matchday referees.
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But then you claimed "the fallout continues" after a panel, including Robert Green and Karen Carney, voted that Jota's second yellow card should not have been given. You are clearly biased, supporting trained specialists when it suits you, and non-trained nuffies when it otherwise suits you.
 
Frank Bunn said:
But then you claimed "the fallout continues" after a panel, including Robert Green and Karen Carney, voted that Jota's second yellow card should not have been given. You are clearly biased, supporting trained specialists when it suits you, and non-trained nuffies when it otherwise suits you.
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If anything an independent panel voting that a decision being incorrect annoys you shows you are the one that is biased.


In any case this is about VAR in the future. For me, I believe we will get better value out of VAR if the guys in the VAR box are trained specifically to do VAR only and have no hesitation to ensure the match isn't undermined. I'm quite certain if all VARS in the booth were not fellow colleagues at Spurs they would have called for the game to be stopped immediately.
 
Zidane98 said:
It's different because the most basic law of the game - the referees decision being final - is undermined totally by this.
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I personally still don’t get why people make this false equivalency between this particular VAR offside decision and the examples they keep raising.

The VAR as an assistant official made a decision that was the opposite of what was given on field. This is because of a communication breakdown.
It’s not a bad decision like every example being claimed. Its not a failure of technology. Its not a mistake in not applying the rules correctly. It’s a communication failure that no one has foreseen would ever happen.

An equivalent would be like VAR never existed, and the referee asking a linesperson for their call on an offside, the linesman is certain it’s onside and tells the referee that he agrees with their decision (thinking that the referee thinks it’s onside as well), but the referee then awards the offside anyway, and the linesman not being able to tell the referee they were wrong, And there’s no recourse.

I can’t see how that could ever happen. But amazingly it’s happened in this case, and no one incl Laws of the Game have ever considered what should happen in that case, because it’s so ridiculous. A conscious decision made about awarding a goal, that’s simply not been enacted.

History now, but surely there’s got to be a change to accommodate this somehow if it happened again.
 

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moomba said:
Can't think of a single legitimate reason why they would be so opposed.
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I was allowed to observe and see communication between match officials during a review and it is quite a chaotic situation," Brud told BBC Radio 5 Live Breakfast.

"Not in a negative sense but there's many people talking at the same time and I think it would be counterproductive for anyone to listen to all those voices talking to each other.​
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"Then you have the VAR and the assistant VAR, the replay operators, the referee and maybe even the assistant referees and fourth official, so all of a sudden it becomes quite a chaotic experience.​

Wasn't the 'chaotic situation' responsible for the debacle in the Spurs v Liverpool game? How about they fix that.

Or, in a situation where the game has been stopped, after the various communications are complete, have the lead VAR guy give a short summary of the decision to the ref and make that live.
 
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