List management 101 (69?)

[gokangas]

I believe Dodoro is looking for work.

 

[Zondor]

 

[Forever North]

Lauren Wood mentioned on that show that since 2016 North have bought in 95 players and in her opinion only around 15 at best would get a pass. heck we’ve been just so hopeless with our list. Would love to see that list of 95. Everything we do or don’t do (lose to GC!!) seems to turn to shite for us. Of course players want out of the joint now.

 

[ohmygewd]

# ↧	Player	DOB	Age	Height	Weight	Games Prior	Goals Prior	Votes Prior	Games 1995	Goals 1995	Votes 1995	Drafted	Honours
1	John Barnett	15-Aug-75	19yr	175cm	75kg	4	3	0	2	1	0
2	Wayne Schwass	27-Nov-68	26yr	180cm	80kg	122	68	61	25	19	13		B&F: 1994; Morrish: 1987
3	Anthony Rock	29-Sep-70	24yr	175cm	76kg	88	74	11	24	19	0
4	Mick Martyn	31-Aug-68	26yr	190cm	101kg	134	11	16	17	2	2		B&F: 1989, 1991
5	Stuart Anderson	27-Jun-74	20yr	181cm	83kg	3	2	0	16	0	1	#35 National 1990
6	Ian Fairley	18-Sep-64	30yr	189cm	92kg	174	148	7	19	0	0
7	Dean Laidley	27-Mar-67	28yr	184cm	77kg	93	12	17	23	0	3
8	Robert Scott	1-Mar-69	26yr	173cm	78kg	132	164	25	25	17	0
9	Warren Campbell	19-Oct-74	20yr	185cm	80kg	11	13	0	8	4	0	#23 National 1992
10	Anthony Stevens	2-Jul-71	23yr	178cm	81kg	87	34	8	20	14	6	#18 National 1988
11	Glenn Archer	24-Mar-73	22yr	182cm	92kg	50	15	4	22	28	1
12	John Blakey	24-Jul-66	28yr	187cm	83kg	176	49	16	25	11	6
13	Trent Nichols	7-Apr-69	26yr	173cm	77kg	79	77	18	12	11	0	#17 National 1986
14	Matt Armstrong	1-Mar-67	28yr	177cm	76kg	132	71	42	25	13	8	#24 National 1986
15	Ross Smith	3-Feb-65	30yr	184cm	87kg	196	34	9	25	2	4
16	Matthew Capuano	2-Sep-75	19yr	198cm	99kg	3	1	0	15	5	2	#55 National 1992
17	Glenn Freeborn	6-Feb-73	22yr	183cm	81kg	0	0	0	9	4	0	#9 Pre-Season 1992
18	Wayne Carey	27-May-71	23yr	192cm	97kg	98	239	49	25	65	14		AA: 1993, 1994; B&F: 1992, 1993
20	Keenan Reynolds	7-Jan-69	26yr	188cm	90kg	74	35	6	9	2	0	#2 Pre-Season 1989
22	Mark Roberts	28-Jun-65	29yr	190cm	92kg	121	97	3	21	16	1
23	Alastair Clarkson	27-Apr-68	26yr	177cm	79kg	90	61	2	3	0	0
24	Craig Sholl	30-Dec-67	27yr	189cm	91kg	109	20	21	19	1	0		B&F: 1991
25	Jason Daniltchenko	2-Sep-75	19yr	191cm	98kg	4	0	0	9	1	0
26	Alex Ishchenko	20-Apr-64	31yr	201cm	110kg	133	37	24	9	0	0
27	Darren Crocker	26-Mar-67	28yr	189cm	88kg	131	81	24	3	5	0
28	Anthony Dwyer	1-Jan-70	25yr	185cm	80kg	23	22	0	4	4	0
30	Robert Pyman	6-Oct-71	23yr	180cm	79kg	13	8	0	3	0	0	#6 National 1992
31	Corey McKernan	19-Dec-73	21yr	197cm	105kg	22	22	7	25	19	3
32	Paul Wynd	2-May-76	18yr	190cm	76kg	0	0	0	0	0	0
33	Brett Allison	26-May-68	26yr	182cm	78kg	137	150	32	25	39	0
34	David King	7-Mar-72	23yr	183cm	94kg	19	4	0	22	8	3	#46 National 1993
35	John Longmire	31-Dec-70	24yr	194cm	102kg	133	436	29	22	58	0		Coleman: 1990; B&F: 1990
36	Mark Stevens	25-Oct-75	19yr	194cm	95kg	0	0	0	8	12	0	#31 National 1993
37	Adam Simpson	16-Feb-76	19yr	185cm	86kg	0	0	0	2	0	0	#14 National 1993
38	Danny Stevens	10-Nov-76	18yr	180cm	82kg	0	0	0	0	0	0	#52 National 1994
39	Glenn Gorman	26-Jan-76	19yr	187cm	82kg	0	0	0	0	0	0	#4 National 1993
41	Adrian McAdam	12-Mar-71	24yr	183cm	82kg	35	90	5	1	2	0	#98 National 1992
42	Paul Geister	29-Jan-72	23yr	191cm	93kg	0	0	0	3	0	0	#24 Pre-Season 1992
45	Stuart Cochrane	20-Jul-78	16yr	189cm	88kg	0	0	0	0	0	0	Uncontr Comp 1994

 

[The Nostradamus]

Easier to just go through the right picks on our list

Sheezel
Larkey
Zurhaar
Xerri
LDU
Mckercher
Duursma
Powell - borderline
Simpkin - borderline

 

[RossHenshaw]

Easier to just go through the right picks on our list

Sheezel
Larkey
Zurhaar
Xerri
LDU
Mckercher
Duursma
Powell - borderline
Simpkin - borderline

Lazzaro

 

[Themanbun]

What could have been.

LDU
Serong
Newcombe
Callaghan

Plus Sheezel rolling through there.

 

[Zondor]

 

[tazaa]

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6 busts, a long term injury and a contract extension on hold. Tom Powell played on a flank on the weekend.

This is why being in a rebuild forever is bullshit. You need to target the now and turn it around as quickly as possible.

 

[Zondor]

6 busts, a long term injury and a contract extension on hold. Tom Powell played on a flank on the weekend.

This is why being in a rebuild forever is bullshit. You need to target the now and turn it around as quickly as possible.

I’m sorry tazaa but this is what rebuilds look like. :stern look

 

[FlyHigh18]

Remember that time we went into 2024 with no defenders, less experience and a younger list… but thought we’d get a few more wins than 2023

Ah those were the days

 

[FlyHigh18]

The defensive breakdowns aren't simply caused by 2-3 players.

If it was simply unaccountability, then it's even worse from Clarko, as it's something that could be reviewed and rectified in the mountains of vision they go through each week.

It's a high defensive line structure and game plan, he has either concocted on these study tours overseas, or during his break from the game.

16-17 players don't push up into our F50 during kickouts if it's not from instruction. All teams have to do is clear this zone of players, and it's often 7-8 vs our 5 running into open space in their forward line.

A small forward/medium is going to a 10+ goal bag against us one game with this structure this season. Im thinking Cody Weightman...

If you watch other teams live, they have a good 5-6 players 30-40m deeper than we do.


It's the game plan.

Plan works perfectly fine if you don’t turn the ball over

 

[Slamming Sam]

Remember back to the Noble days when NM went out and brought in Aiden Bonar

16

Aiden Bonar

Age

25

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.8

5star

MG

101.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.5

4star

MG

101.0

2star

D

10.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

, CCJ and Jaidyn Stephenson

2

Jaidyn Stephenson

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.5

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

. They targetted these players because they went in the 2017 draft. The club had decided that they would build the nucleus of the club around LDU. Looks like Clarko has finally decided after sifting through the wreckage of the NMFC playing list, that he is building the nucleus around Sheezel, Wardlaw, from the 2022 draft. Kicking the can down the road. I'm sure NM will eventually get there but this is the rebuild on top of the rebuild. Lots more pain coming our way before it gets better.

 

[WesternRoo]

6 busts, a long term injury and a contract extension on hold. Tom Powell played on a flank on the weekend.

This is why being in a rebuild forever is bullshit. You need to target the now and turn it around as quickly as possible.

Be very careful with this pragmatism and common sense around here at the moment.

The “80 - 100 game, 2027” crew are pushing the party line and pursuing any dissidents in the ranks on here.

I can’t get upset with them as they are all passionate people. But ordinary footballers , gameplan, fitness program and systems are simply not going to improve with time.

A grade talent also comes in and shows they are A grade talent very early.

Apart from Sheezel, Chom down back, Larkey and probably Wardlaw, Goater who else has shown this?

LDU to me is a good B grader who can do A grade things.

McKercher looks like he will be good as does Dursmaa, but I think we also get deluded in how good we think our youth is compared to other clubs.

Everyone has good kids.

 

[tazaa]

Be very careful with this pragmatism and common sense around here at the moment.

The “80 - 100 game, 2027” crew are pushing the party line and pursuing any dissidents in the ranks on here.

I can’t get upset with them as they are all passionate people. But ordinary footballers , gameplan, fitness program and systems are simply not going to improve with time.

A grade talent also comes in and shows they are A grade talent very early.

Apart from Sheezel, Chom down back, Larkey and probably Wardlaw, Goater who else has shown this?

LDU to me is a good B grader who can do A grade things.

McKercher looks like he will be good as does Dursmaa, but I think we also get deluded in how good we think our youth is compared to other clubs.

Everyone has good kids.

Going to the draft on its own simply does not work.

And you are right, everyone has kids with talent.
What other clubs have is a genuine development program as well as a senior group that sets the tone.

Were trying to remedy that with Barlow, but the senior group has been grossly overvalued and is simply not good enough.
So now we need to go out and buy experienced players for 12-24 months to nurture our young talent until they are primed.

There is no silver bullet. Targeting Tucker, Fisher, Stephens, Biggy and Pink and signing long term deals to anyone player who wants to tells me our list management team is clueless.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

So the big question by the media this week is to tank or not to tank last year against Gc for reid

Would’ve had pick 1 and 2 instead of 2 and 3

Essentially Reid vs Duursma as Kerch would’ve been taken 2 by us either way

Whatever winning culture they thought that win would bring clearly hasn’t translated early despite the tough draw

What is amusing is if we did tank we would have had the media now asking should Reid go elsewhere

The difference I guess to JHF is we would’ve had him on a 3 year deal as opposed to jhfs 2 year initial deal which gives us more time to turn things around

It would have been Reid + 18 vs McKercher and Dawson.

Reid had the enormous advantage of being a man-mountain at u18s. Yes, he is skilled and has a phenomenal, team-changing presence, but we need to slightly sober our thoughts about Harley.

When Kerch and Duursma have 2-3 preseasons under their belt and have gained some muscle, then I think we can properly compare.

 

[The Nostradamus]

It would have been Reid + 18 vs McKercher and Dawson.

Reid had the enormous advantage of being a man-mountain at u18s. Yes, he is skilled and has a phenomenal, team-changing presence, but we need to slightly sober our thoughts about Harley.

When Kerch and Duursma have 2-3 preseasons under their belt and have gained some muscle, then I think we can properly compare.

No we would’ve have got pick 1 and 2
McKay compo

Reid and kerch

 

[DesertRoo]

6 busts, a long term injury and a contract extension on hold. Tom Powell played on a flank on the weekend.

This is why being in a rebuild forever is bullshit. You need to target the now and turn it around as quickly as possible.

I'm a big believer in you've gotta work with what you've got, no point chasing magical rainbows or players, they aint coming. the only ones who can change the clubs fortunes are those players themselves.
they simply need to figure out who they are and who they want to be.
There was a hell of talent on that list above.

 

[HTPunter]

Have we ever unearthed a quality category B/Irish player?

Where is our will to improve the list on outside of the box pick-ups?

Geelong have the likes of O’Connor & Mullin as Irish rookies, Blicavs was a steeple chaser, and Atkins, Stewart, & Wiltshire were all plucked from VFL & ammo’s obscurity.

We don’t have any left field picks. Closest we have is Finnbar & Blake Drury (but he was Vic Metro captain - clearly known in AFL circles, was just limited by height/athleticism).

No Irish picks. No sporting converts. No tough & smart ammo’s footballer who is coachable like a Stewart.

 

[HTPunter]

We just go to the draft to pick up kids & trade for fringe flankers/wings & wonder why we haven’t improved.

 

[Merlin007]

Have we ever unearthed a quality category B/Irish player?

Where is our will to improve the list on outside of the box pick-ups?

Geelong have the likes of O’Connor & Mullin as Irish rookies, Blicavs was a steeple chaser, and Atkins, Stewart, & Wiltshire were all plucked from VFL & ammo’s obscurity.

We don’t have any left field picks. Closest we have is Finnbar & Blake Drury (but he was Vic Metro captain - clearly known in AFL circles, was just limited by height/athleticism).

No Irish picks. No sporting converts. No tough & smart ammo’s footballer who is coachable like a Stewart.

tbf I think we are getting a bit more creative; eg Sellers, and whether it's Lynch or Rawlings, or the two together, the recruiting to the VFL list is diverse, eg Charlie Harrop (missed his draft year), lachlan Wynd (from Rowville). Last year they gave Cooper Keogh a run (picked up from the EDFL, now at Coburg)

 

[HTPunter]

Which players should've made it but didn't?

Well it’s not simply AFL player v not, it’s about did they reach the best of their abilities.

LDU hasn’t made it to his potential. Simpkin hasn’t. McDonald hasn’t.

On a more recent level, Thomas, Scott, Phillips & Lazzaro haven’t progressed since early on in their careers (Scott gets more ball but his influence is as negligible), and CCJ & Stephenson have only gone backwards since joining us.

Heaps and heaps of no names.

 

[HTPunter]

tbf I think we are getting a bit more creative; eg Sellers, and whether it's Lynch or Rawlings, or the two together, the recruiting to the VFL list is diverse, eg Charlie Harrop (missed his draft year), lachlan Wynd (from Rowville). Last year they gave Cooper Keogh a run (picked up from the EDFL, now at Coburg)

True re: Sellers. Hopefully we give him more time too.

We also need to do better in the free hits of the MSD. Constantly get a top 2 pick and we’ve gone Hosie, Ham, Hansen & Edwards…

Aside from Newcombe there aren’t stars there generally, but there’s a bunch of significant role players. We need guys who want to do a job and buy in for the team.

 

[Warrboy]

Have we ever unearthed a quality category B/Irish player?

Where is our will to improve the list on outside of the box pick-ups?

Geelong have the likes of O’Connor & Mullin as Irish rookies, Blicavs was a steeple chaser, and Atkins, Stewart, & Wiltshire were all plucked from VFL & ammo’s obscurity.

We don’t have any left field picks. Closest we have is Finnbar & Blake Drury (but he was Vic Metro captain - clearly known in AFL circles, was just limited by height/athleticism).

No Irish picks. No sporting converts. No tough & smart ammo’s footballer who is coachable like a Stewart.

I think you're under-selling the great Eric Wallace there

 

[Mixed Results]

Remember back to the Noble days when NM went out and brought in Aiden Bonar, CCJ and Jaidyn Stephenson. They targetted these players because they went in the 2017 draft. The club had decided that they would build the nucleus of the club around LDU. Looks like Clarko has finally decided after sifting through the wreckage of the NMFC playing list, that he is building the nucleus around Sheezel, Wardlaw, from the 2022 draft. Kicking the can down the road. I'm sure NM will eventually get there but this is the rebuild on top of the rebuild. Lots more pain coming our way before it gets better.

A lot of supporters will find it unpopular, but it's undeniable now that the club is taking the long approach and building around the younger group.

2020 through 2022 weren't rebuilds, they were inept coaches that were incapable of winning with the talent that was leftover from the Brad Scott era. Now that we've lost names like Goldstein, Ziebell, Cunnington, Tarrant, Higgins, Dumont, Garner, Anderson, Hall, Atley, and Macmillan the rebuild is properly starting.

David Noble trying to win with LDU, was by extension the same mistake as Brad Scott trying to win with Cunnington in 2018. It's frustrating that they're now setting a timeline that could result in multiple wooden spoons to come, but it's probably the most realistic target given how poor the standard of our senior leaders are.