Jacinta Allan - 49th Victorian Premier.

[Sttew]

Sure if the study had shown the need. Basically most locals will crack the shits over having an injection room. Tough t***ies. There variance in resource allocation everywhere, some things are positive some are negative it is puerile fantasy to make decisions where no one loses.

Melbourne’s CBD covers 6.5 square kms, and yet the best they could come up with was an injecting facility 10 metres from a recognised tourist attraction? I’m not sure Jacinta’s decision not to proceed at that location Was an acknowledgment tourists would be driven away, but I’ll take it.

Put the bloody facility next to the Police headquarters in Spencer Street! Or better still, build a rehabilitation facility.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Melbourne’s CBD covers 6.5 square kms, and yet the best they could come up with was an injecting facility 10 metres from a recognised tourist attraction? I’m not sure Jacinta’s decision not to proceed at that location Was an acknowledgment tourists would be driven away, but I’ll take it.

Put the bloody facility next to the Police headquarters in Spencer Street! Or better still, build a rehabilitation facility.

And where would you put said rehabilitation facility?
I think users unlikely to use a facility next to a police station as well

 

[Sttew]

I think users unlikely to use a facility next to a police station as well

Fair enough. Surely there should be a list of no go zones where the injection facility cannot be located, e.g., next to primary schools, next to acknowledged tourist attractions, in major shopping strips, etc??

 

[Crankyhawk]

Fair enough. Surely there should be a list of no go zones where the injection facility cannot be located, e.g., next to primary schools, next to acknowledged tourist attractions, in major shopping strips, etc??

I believe that the way planning laws are written, an injection room isn’t specified in terms of planning restrictions (eg there are laws stating where an abbatoir can be, or a brothel). Probably because they didn’t exist at the time and difficulty exists in that it’s role is to facilitate the use of a product which is illegal to possess.

(I could be wrong re these rules though happy to be corrected)

 

[Sttew]

I believe that the way planning laws are written, an injection room isn’t specified in terms of planning restrictions (eg there are laws stating where an abbatoir can be, or a brothel). Probably because they didn’t exist at the time and difficulty exists in that it’s role is to facilitate the use of a product which is illegal to possess.

(I could be wrong re these rules though happy to be corrected)

I doubt there are planning laws on this. But I’m talking about common sense.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I doubt there are planning laws on this. But I’m talking about common sense.

Common sense is not appropriate in planning decisions (you need law otherwise you get lawyers arguing and common sense is the first casualty)

Edit and the tourist attraction isn’t even something you pay money to see? Seems somewhat meh to me to be “protected”

 

[Sttew]

Common sense is not appropriate in planning decisions (you need law otherwise you get lawyers arguing and common sense is the first casualty)

Edit and the tourist attraction isn’t even something you pay money to see? Seems somewhat meh to me to be “protected”

Let’s put it in the NGV then? Tourist attraction, free admission.

Believe it or not but Degraves Lane aka Degraves Street is highlighted in all tourism guides as part of a Melbournes unique lane way system. But hey, let’s put junkies’ rights ahead of tourists and businesses that rely on tourist and local trade.

As I said earlier in an area measuring 6.5 square km you’d think we could find a more suitable site?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Let’s put it in the NGV then? Tourist attraction, free admission.

Believe it or not but Degraves Lane aka Degraves Street is highlighted in all tourism guides as part of a Melbournes unique lane way system. But hey, let’s put junkies’ rights ahead of tourists and businesses that rely on tourist and local trade.

As I said earlier in an area measuring 6.5 square km you’d think we could find a more suitable site?

You pick one then smartarse if it is so easy. So sick of nuffies in cheap seats thinking they can do better

Edit my suggestion - crown casino high roller room.

 

[Gralin]

or just have higher more immediate priorities than whatever cause protestors have.

Disinterest and apathy are common also yes

 

[Sttew]

You pick one then smartarse if it is so easy. So sick of nuffies in cheap seats thinking they can do better

Edit my suggestion - crown casino high roller room.

WOW! Cranky by name and cranky by demeanour. I suggested a location. You canned it, and only in an edit did you offer an alternative location, which sums up how bereft you are of ideas.

The problem in the first place was that Dan acted before thinking as he did so often. Bought a building for $40M and thought he’d put the injection facility there without thinking about it.

 

[Gralin]

WOW! Cranky by name and cranky by demeanour. I suggested a location. You canned it, and only in an edit did you offer an alternative location, which sums up how bereft you are of ideas.

The problem in the first place was that Dan acted before thinking as he did so often. Bought a building for $40M and thought he’d put the injection facility there without thinking about it.

The government commissioned a report on whether they needed another safe injecting room.
The report said yes, they started working on getting one and have now decided they don't really need it

Last I checked the report didn't change. Instead of whinging about where it was going to be maybe you should be whinging about a broken promise and going against the findings of the report they commissioned?

But nah more fun to whinge about how it was almost near some shops and cafes yeah?

 

[Sttew]

The government commissioned a report on whether they needed another safe injecting room.
The report said yes, they started working on getting one and have now decided they don't really need it

Last I checked the report didn't change. Instead of whinging about where it was going to be maybe you should be whinging about a broken promise and going against the findings of the report they commissioned?

But nah more fun to whinge about how it was almost near some shops and cafes yeah?

So for what purpose was the former Yooralla building purchased?

And why do you think Jacinta decided not to proceed with the injecting facility? Lack of money? Political expedience?

You and Cranky are the ones saying siting the facility next to a tourist attraction was perfectly fine. I disagree.

BTW, nobody outside the govt has seen the report and NEVER will!

 

[Gralin]

So for what purpose was the former Yooralla building purchased?

Probably for a safe injecting room that a report said was needed

And why do you think Jacinta decided not to proceed with the injecting facility? Lack of money? Political expedience?

Probably a bunch of pressure from people that didn't want it to be opened and an excuse of saving money

You and Cranky are the ones saying siting the facility next to a tourist attraction was perfectly fine. I disagree.

Yeah but you don't seem upset that it's not just being moved but instead not happening at all

And yeah don't care about the location being near some shops and cafes because in the city there is always going to be something that makes a site not perfect for someone.

 

[Sttew]

Yeah but you don't seem upset that it's not just being moved but instead not happening at all

Please don’t tell me what I’m thinking. Did I not say in a city covering 6.5km2 surely a suitable site can be found.

 

[Gralin]

Please don’t tell me what I’m thinking. Did I not say in a city covering 6.5km2 surely a suitable site can be found.

And i said there's no such thing when it comes to a safe injecting room. But you're not talking about the CBD now and that's where one is needed

Also my experience in that area of the CBD is there's already plenty of people shooting up around there now, doesn't stop it being a tourist location

 

[Rob R]

You pick one then smartarse if it is so easy. So sick of nuffies in cheap seats thinking they can do better

Edit my suggestion - crown casino high roller room.

Parliament house, let the pollies have to deal with the crap that happens near the injecting rooms and it sounds like a lot of pollies and their advisors could use rehab anyway.

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[Sttew]

And i said there's no such thing when it comes to a safe injecting room. But you're not talking about the CBD now and that's where one is needed

Also my experience in that area of the CBD is there's already plenty of people shooting up around there now, doesn't stop it being a tourist location

The CBD is 6.5km2

 

[Gralin]

The CBD is 6.5km2

Ok
And i said there's no such thing when it comes to a safe injecting room.

Also my experience in that area of the CBD is there's already plenty of people shooting up around there now, doesn't stop it being a tourist location

 

[tangolikelama]

I believe that the way planning laws are written, an injection room isn’t specified in terms of planning restrictions (eg there are laws stating where an abbatoir can be, or a brothel). Probably because they didn’t exist at the time and difficulty exists in that it’s role is to facilitate the use of a product which is illegal to possess.

(I could be wrong re these rules though happy to be corrected)

Not really how the planning scheme works. It would most likely fall under 'medical centre' or 'office' for land use. The zoning of the subject site dictates whether the use is as of right (will need to meet strict conditions) or requires a permit.

The scheme gets amended all the time, so if it was considered that it didn't meet the general land use terms an amendment would resolve this. Also fun fact, they amended the scheme last year to assist with de-criminalising sex work. This means a sex service premise falls under the defintion of a 'shop' and isn't prohibited in many areas but would require a permit - this would require the decision maker to make the call etc.

 

[Saint]

I guarantee that if the current govt was proposing ‘overhead’ the very same opponents would be reeling out the reasons it’s ‘bad’

Oh sorry they already have - Skyrail - has the New York 1970s ghetto vibe happened yet? Seems like a resounding success.

Laughable

Overheads means overhead power (the wires which power the trains) The formation for the tracks is already there. They've even built a bunch of the stations/platforms to the full Metro length/spec.

(Also, for the record, skyrail in the east is considered a large success, whenever they've built them, from 100 years ago, to 10 years ago)

 

[peetoo]

Overheads means overhead power (the wires which power the trains) The formation for the tracks is already there. They've even built a bunch of the stations/platforms to the full Metro length/spec.

(Also, for the record, skyrail in the east is considered a large success, whenever they've built them, from 100 years ago, to 10 years ago)

But Canterbury overhead has to be noted for its extreme ugliness. I can’t see how thy could possibly have made it more ugly. You can see why Surrey hills resisted for so long

 

[FIGJAM]

Labor's Darren Cheeseman steps down as parliamentary secretary over alleged inappropriate behaviour

Premier Jacinta Allan says Mr Cheeseman has agreed to step down as parliamentary secretary for education over his alleged workplace behaviour.

www.abc.net.au

Cheeseman and Fowles. Both smelly names! I assume that will be a giveaway for preselection in the future.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Overheads means overhead power (the wires which power the trains) The formation for the tracks is already there. They've even built a bunch of the stations/platforms to the full Metro length/spec.

Overhead has a massive upfront cost.
Sydenham(Watergardens) to Sunbury cost 270 million for 15km. 18 million a km.

It would easily be 20 plus these days.

 

[swingdog]

So, next time Rebecca Judd raises her head to complain about crime in Brighton....they're leaving their bloody houses unlocked? 60% of crimes showed no sign of forced entry? How dumb do you have to be to live in Brighton?

Brighton isn’t all Karens and mansions – but it would help if they locked their doors

Locals love the Bayside bubble, but police say locals leaving homes unlocked is allowing young offenders to get inside and steal car keys.

www.theage.com.au

 

[peetoo]

So, next time Rebecca Judd raises her head to complain about crime in Brighton....they're leaving their bloody houses unlocked? 60% of crimes showed no sign of forced entry? How dumb do you have to be to live in Brighton?

Brighton isn’t all Karens and mansions – but it would help if they locked their doors

Locals love the Bayside bubble, but police say locals leaving homes unlocked is allowing young offenders to get inside and steal car keys.

www.theage.com.au

Some of these places are delusional. Often call themselves a ‘villiage’ here’s a tip. They aren’t villages