List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

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Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.
  • Mac Andrew
  • Hunter Clark
  • Zac Fisher
  • Sam Flanders
  • Mitch Georgiades
  • Liam Henry
  • Dougal Howard
  • Lewis Melican
  • Jack Silvagni
  • Dylan Stephens
  • Adam Tomlinson
 
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King Corey said:
Hard to see Scrimshaw coming over. Isn't his dad on the hawthorn board or something like that?
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I posted above that I wonder if there's any Hawthorn players who are unhappy at how Clarko has been treated.

Seems you have to be fully Team Sam down there.

Given Clarko went out of his way to ge6t Scrimshaw back from Gold Coast it could be an element.
 
The new clarko strategy is one player over 195cm (Larkey).

Ford at CHF
Greenwood in ruck
Logue FB
Scrimshaw and Corr supporting.
 



AFL Trade 2023: All the latest news and intel ahead of the exchange period​

Sydney has long been the frontrunner for Ben McKay – but are the Bombers right back in the mix? Plus, the mega pick swap brewing and all the latest trade news.

Jon Ralph

@RalphyHeraldSun

6 min read
September 8, 2023 - 1:33PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../165450c5abb77d3c6d855e14ddeb2cc4#share-tools




Essendon is prepared to open up its purse strings to get into the race for North Melbourne full back Ben McKay despite Sydney’s strong interest.
The Dons have always made clear they will not overpay for their free agency and trade acquisitions so they do not burn their $2 million-plus of cap space.
But McKay is aware Essendon has come strongly at him as a suitor as new CEO Craig Vozzo and list boss Adrian Dodoro aggressively try to improve their list.
Sydney is the industry favourite to secure McKay, given they have pushed so hard to replace Paddy McCartin after missing out on GWS defender Harry Himmelberg and West Coast full back Tom Barrass.
But Essendon would need to offer him at least a three-year deal of $800,000 to trigger first-round compensation, which would mean the Roos didn’t match any restricted free agency offer.

Essendon is desperate to secure another key back, with Jesse Hogan kicking nine goals on the club in round 23 and Tom Hawkins twice kicking six goals on defenders, including Brandon Zerk-Thatcher.
By the time the AFL salary cap goes up as much as 15 per cent by 2024, a deal of that size for McKay might seem reasonable value.
So Essendon has made clear to McKay how much it values him, which gives him a decision to make on moving interstate or finding a new home at Essendon or Hawthorn.

Mitchell’s Henry coup only the start​

Sam Mitchell has emerged as Hawthorn’s secret weapon as a recruiting tool in coming seasons as Liam Henry moves towards nominating the Hawks as his club of choice.
Player managers report Mitchell has put together a brilliant pitch to their players as the Hawks hope their recent improvements put them in the picture for a number of big names.
Geelong’s Esava Ratugolea chose Port Adelaide and North Melbourne’s Ben McKay might ultimately look elsewhere.
But Henry is expected to choose Hawthorn over St Kilda, with the Dockers wingman one of a number of players highly impressed by Mitchell.
His overall vision for the club, his specific intel on how he would coach them and his professionalism in selling the future have all been noted.
As a first-year coach, some rivals scoffed when Mitchell contacted opposition coaches himself as the Hawks tried to make moves to get up the draft board.
Yet, if you can’t get players to your club – even when you are rebuilding – it doesn’t matter how talented you are with the tactical and leadership side of coaching.
Hawthorn won’t want to give up a pick in the 15-25 range the Dockers are asking for, so get set for some prolonged haggling.

And Chad signs on​

Hawthorn has signed up Chad Wingard for another season.
The Hawks half forward had only just received a contract offer from the Hawks in the days before he tore his achilles in round 22. But having had successful surgery and dodged any infection, the Hawks have backed him in to return late in the 2024 season.
Wingard has only just turned 30 at a club with only himself, Sam Frost and Luke Breust over 30, so the Hawks are hopeful he has plenty of football ahead of him.

Port young gun going nowhere​

Take it to the bank that Xavier Duursma will not be moving on from Port Adelaide even as the Power try to find the picks to bring in Esava Ratugolea and potentially Brodie Grundy.
The Power gave up their first and second-rounders in the Jason Horne-Francis deal so need to find trade collateral with Ratugolea.
But Port Adelaide list boss Jason Cripps has made clear to Duursma he is central to their plans despite his name being thrown up in trade discussions by former Adelaide captain Mark Bickley.
Duursma, Connor Rozee and Zak Butters are all out of contract at the end of 2024 with the Power keen to sign them away over summer.
He has played only 11, 11 and 15 games in the past three years with injury and form issues but at just 23 years of age the Power would be crazy to let him go.

Dogs emerge as frontrunner for pick 4​

Western Bulldogs ruck Jordon Sweet is happy to wait until the end of the VFL finals to assess his options, despite being offered a two-year deal by the Bulldogs.
It comes as the Dogs emerge as an early favourite to trade up to the Suns’ pick 4 with their offer of picks 10 and 17.
Melbourne also has a strong proposal with their first-rounder and two second-rounders, with both offers handing the Suns an extra 500 points for their academy picks.
But the Suns could trade back to 10 and 17 from pick 4 then field offers for pick 10, so could make even more of a windfall on the deal to accrue points.

The two-year deal for Sweet has been in front of him for some time.
But not only is Tim English in career-best form, there is a chance Sam Darcy will eventually turn into a ruckman, who can play at either end.
West Coast is one of the clubs interested in Sweet but consider the turbulence in the ruck market.
Those with uncertain futures include Sean Darcy, Ivan Soldo, Scott Lycett, Matt Flynn, Brynn Teakle, Sam Hayes, Sweet and Todd Goldstein, who has been linked to Essendon.
Dogs utility Taylor Duryea should get another deal but the Dogs still have to make decisions on Hayden Crozier, Buku Khamis, Roarke Smith and Toby McLean.
McLean has real talent and is an unrestricted free agent, while Tim O’Brien will likely get another one-year deal.

Could Suns even get Dusty deal done?​

Gold Coast would be challenged in finding a satisfying trade deal for Dustin Martin even if they decided to make a concerted run at the triple Norm Smith Medallist.
Martin is considering his future and has told confidantes he might be ready for a change as he awaits a meeting on his future with manager Ralph Carr.
But the Suns have, at this stage, been lukewarm on a move, given they couldn’t pay his $1.3-4 million wage, he wouldn’t take a pay cut and Richmond wouldn’t contribute to a deal.
The Suns need to accumulate the points for rivals to bid on their trio of first-round academy selections as early as pick two (Jed Walter), pick 5 (Ethan Read) and pick 10 (Jake Rogers).
North Melbourne has always shown it is prepared to be faithful to its draft order when bidding on academy players so is a strong chance to call on Walter’s name at pick two.
So the Suns draft hand this year will be taken up, which means they might have to give up a future first-rounder for a player of Martin’s ilk.
At this stage, there is no clear suitor for contracted top-10 pick Elijah Hollands, who will sit down with the club and his management post VFL finals to assess his options.

No Rance-Dimma reunion​

Alex Rance is likely to move to the Gold Coast after shutting down his Melbourne-based high school but won’t be joining the Suns as a full-time employee.
The Suns are open to specialist coaching roles for the likes of Lance Franklin, and even Rance, if they wanted to help out the club’s young kids.
But Rance is 33, so despite his level of fitness, the Suns haven’t spoken to him about a shock comeback.
They are aware he is considering a full-time move north after shuttering his football-focused school The Academy.
And as the Suns consider their coaching team, they haven’t had meaningful talks with Rance about a coaching role.

No Giant exodus this year​

Greater Western Sydney is more than happy for veteran Nick Haynes to play on next year, despite a back-ended salary that will hit seven figures.
Like many GWS players, Haynes shuffled around money in years of his contract with the last year of a deal expiring next year hitting up to $1.2 million.
But GWS is keen to keep Haynes, with the bigger issue whether he might look for rival opportunities given he has often been used as the sub in recent weeks.

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For the first time in many years, GWS has no retention challenges, having signed up a bevy of players including Harry Himmelberg, Lachie Ash, Finn Callaghan, Tom Green, Xavier O’Halloran and Jake Riccardi.
Rival clubs are open to cap dump opportunities to improve their draft hand but it makes no sense for the Giants to give away a quality pick for someone to absorb Haynes’ deal given they have cap space for him.
GWS will go back to the draft with picks six and 12 (and consider using their pick 50) in one of the most settled off-seasons in recent years.
 

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We've had an unhealthy obsession with other Clubs C and D grade players for about 20 years now.

We've already got plenty of them falling out of cupboards here. We're resembling StKilda of the 80's.

3 of our mooted targets got dropped this week including one we're offering 5 years to apparently.
 
King Corey said:
Hard to see Scrimshaw coming over. Isn't his dad on the hawthorn board or something like that?
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Man as you bought it up, you tab keeping on who's coming is about as reliable as Magoo with an opposition quick fwd 50 entry.

fyi = not very good.

No Darcy, the Artisan, Cholm, and plenty more, this time last season I had 78 names. We landed four of 'em. Actually three as I refused to believe we'd be picking up the Hawfs howler Howe.
 
giantroo said:



AFL Trade 2023: All the latest news and intel ahead of the exchange period​

Sydney has long been the frontrunner for Ben McKay – but are the Bombers right back in the mix? Plus, the mega pick swap brewing and all the latest trade news.

Jon Ralph
@RalphyHeraldSun

6 min read
September 8, 2023 - 1:33PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../165450c5abb77d3c6d855e14ddeb2cc4#share-tools




Essendon is prepared to open up its purse strings to get into the race for North Melbourne full back Ben McKay despite Sydney’s strong interest.
The Dons have always made clear they will not overpay for their free agency and trade acquisitions so they do not burn their $2 million-plus of cap space.
But McKay is aware Essendon has come strongly at him as a suitor as new CEO Craig Vozzo and list boss Adrian Dodoro aggressively try to improve their list.
Sydney is the industry favourite to secure McKay, given they have pushed so hard to replace Paddy McCartin after missing out on GWS defender Harry Himmelberg and West Coast full back Tom Barrass.
But Essendon would need to offer him at least a three-year deal of $800,000 to trigger first-round compensation, which would mean the Roos didn’t match any restricted free agency offer.

Essendon is desperate to secure another key back, with Jesse Hogan kicking nine goals on the club in round 23 and Tom Hawkins twice kicking six goals on defenders, including Brandon Zerk-Thatcher.
By the time the AFL salary cap goes up as much as 15 per cent by 2024, a deal of that size for McKay might seem reasonable value.
So Essendon has made clear to McKay how much it values him, which gives him a decision to make on moving interstate or finding a new home at Essendon or Hawthorn.

Mitchell’s Henry coup only the start​

Sam Mitchell has emerged as Hawthorn’s secret weapon as a recruiting tool in coming seasons as Liam Henry moves towards nominating the Hawks as his club of choice.
Player managers report Mitchell has put together a brilliant pitch to their players as the Hawks hope their recent improvements put them in the picture for a number of big names.
Geelong’s Esava Ratugolea chose Port Adelaide and North Melbourne’s Ben McKay might ultimately look elsewhere.
But Henry is expected to choose Hawthorn over St Kilda, with the Dockers wingman one of a number of players highly impressed by Mitchell.
His overall vision for the club, his specific intel on how he would coach them and his professionalism in selling the future have all been noted.
As a first-year coach, some rivals scoffed when Mitchell contacted opposition coaches himself as the Hawks tried to make moves to get up the draft board.
Yet, if you can’t get players to your club – even when you are rebuilding – it doesn’t matter how talented you are with the tactical and leadership side of coaching.
Hawthorn won’t want to give up a pick in the 15-25 range the Dockers are asking for, so get set for some prolonged haggling.

And Chad signs on​

Hawthorn has signed up Chad Wingard for another season.
The Hawks half forward had only just received a contract offer from the Hawks in the days before he tore his achilles in round 22. But having had successful surgery and dodged any infection, the Hawks have backed him in to return late in the 2024 season.
Wingard has only just turned 30 at a club with only himself, Sam Frost and Luke Breust over 30, so the Hawks are hopeful he has plenty of football ahead of him.

Port young gun going nowhere​

Take it to the bank that Xavier Duursma will not be moving on from Port Adelaide even as the Power try to find the picks to bring in Esava Ratugolea and potentially Brodie Grundy.
The Power gave up their first and second-rounders in the Jason Horne-Francis deal so need to find trade collateral with Ratugolea.
But Port Adelaide list boss Jason Cripps has made clear to Duursma he is central to their plans despite his name being thrown up in trade discussions by former Adelaide captain Mark Bickley.
Duursma, Connor Rozee and Zak Butters are all out of contract at the end of 2024 with the Power keen to sign them away over summer.
He has played only 11, 11 and 15 games in the past three years with injury and form issues but at just 23 years of age the Power would be crazy to let him go.

Dogs emerge as frontrunner for pick 4​

Western Bulldogs ruck Jordon Sweet is happy to wait until the end of the VFL finals to assess his options, despite being offered a two-year deal by the Bulldogs.
It comes as the Dogs emerge as an early favourite to trade up to the Suns’ pick 4 with their offer of picks 10 and 17.
Melbourne also has a strong proposal with their first-rounder and two second-rounders, with both offers handing the Suns an extra 500 points for their academy picks.
But the Suns could trade back to 10 and 17 from pick 4 then field offers for pick 10, so could make even more of a windfall on the deal to accrue points.

The two-year deal for Sweet has been in front of him for some time.
But not only is Tim English in career-best form, there is a chance Sam Darcy will eventually turn into a ruckman, who can play at either end.
West Coast is one of the clubs interested in Sweet but consider the turbulence in the ruck market.
Those with uncertain futures include Sean Darcy, Ivan Soldo, Scott Lycett, Matt Flynn, Brynn Teakle, Sam Hayes, Sweet and Todd Goldstein, who has been linked to Essendon.
Dogs utility Taylor Duryea should get another deal but the Dogs still have to make decisions on Hayden Crozier, Buku Khamis, Roarke Smith and Toby McLean.
McLean has real talent and is an unrestricted free agent, while Tim O’Brien will likely get another one-year deal.

Could Suns even get Dusty deal done?​

Gold Coast would be challenged in finding a satisfying trade deal for Dustin Martin even if they decided to make a concerted run at the triple Norm Smith Medallist.
Martin is considering his future and has told confidantes he might be ready for a change as he awaits a meeting on his future with manager Ralph Carr.
But the Suns have, at this stage, been lukewarm on a move, given they couldn’t pay his $1.3-4 million wage, he wouldn’t take a pay cut and Richmond wouldn’t contribute to a deal.
The Suns need to accumulate the points for rivals to bid on their trio of first-round academy selections as early as pick two (Jed Walter), pick 5 (Ethan Read) and pick 10 (Jake Rogers).
North Melbourne has always shown it is prepared to be faithful to its draft order when bidding on academy players so is a strong chance to call on Walter’s name at pick two.
So the Suns draft hand this year will be taken up, which means they might have to give up a future first-rounder for a player of Martin’s ilk.
At this stage, there is no clear suitor for contracted top-10 pick Elijah Hollands, who will sit down with the club and his management post VFL finals to assess his options.

No Rance-Dimma reunion​

Alex Rance is likely to move to the Gold Coast after shutting down his Melbourne-based high school but won’t be joining the Suns as a full-time employee.
The Suns are open to specialist coaching roles for the likes of Lance Franklin, and even Rance, if they wanted to help out the club’s young kids.
But Rance is 33, so despite his level of fitness, the Suns haven’t spoken to him about a shock comeback.
They are aware he is considering a full-time move north after shuttering his football-focused school The Academy.
And as the Suns consider their coaching team, they haven’t had meaningful talks with Rance about a coaching role.

No Giant exodus this year​

Greater Western Sydney is more than happy for veteran Nick Haynes to play on next year, despite a back-ended salary that will hit seven figures.
Like many GWS players, Haynes shuffled around money in years of his contract with the last year of a deal expiring next year hitting up to $1.2 million.
But GWS is keen to keep Haynes, with the bigger issue whether he might look for rival opportunities given he has often been used as the sub in recent weeks.

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For the first time in many years, GWS has no retention challenges, having signed up a bevy of players including Harry Himmelberg, Lachie Ash, Finn Callaghan, Tom Green, Xavier O’Halloran and Jake Riccardi.
Rival clubs are open to cap dump opportunities to improve their draft hand but it makes no sense for the Giants to give away a quality pick for someone to absorb Haynes’ deal given they have cap space for him.
GWS will go back to the draft with picks six and 12 (and consider using their pick 50) in one of the most settled off-seasons in recent years.
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Jeez some clubs get a generous run in the media.

* supposedly now prepared to pay more to get McKay, if that were us, it would be painted as desperate and overpaying, but suddenly there's the new line "By the time the AFL salary cap goes up as much as 15 per cent by 2024, a deal of that size for McKay might seem reasonable value."

Then they add in "So * has made clear to McKay how much it values him.." except a week ago we were being told how * were playing hardball and wouldn't overpay for him, now when it seems like they've been outbid, they're upping their offer, but that apparently should mean McKay sees how much they value him!?
 
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shimaburnsgrieg said:
That's a bit extreme - we saw in the last Round that without JZ and LMac it can work quite well
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The backline looked better from the moment in the Richmond game that LMac hobbled off clutching his hammie and Clarko threw JZ forward in search of a fairytale goal to finish his career. It was noticeable how much more cohesive and organised we were defensively. From what I could see, Corr appeared to be the one directing traffic. Maybe he didn't feel comfortable in that role when the current and former captains were in the backline beside him.
 
Masked Avenger said:
We've had an unhealthy obsession with other Clubs C and D grade players for about 20 years now.

We've already got plenty of them falling out of cupboards here. We're resembling StKilda of the 80's.

3 of our mooted targets got dropped this week including one we're offering 5 years to apparently.
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Agree, we should instead target established best 22 guys in finals teams
 
The Warlord said:
Given Clarko went out of his way to ge6t Scrimshaw back from Gold Coast it could be an element.
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I have to give a counterargument here, Scrimshaw was telling anybody that would listen he would end up at the Hawks pre-draft. Anybody, perhaps, bar the Gold Coast recruiting team.
 

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The Warlord said:
Further delistings will be announced after the Syd.
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After the anoouncement of list spots as part of our assistance package.

We can expect Ben and possibly Goldie make decisions after the Syd.
 
Harris 10 said:
At this stage why would a best 22 player in a finals team come and play for us?
Also what are we using to trade for them?
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Cash money, security and relationships!

Very tough but there are ways
 
Masked Avenger said:
We've had an unhealthy obsession with other Clubs C and D grade players for about 20 years now.

We've already got plenty of them falling out of cupboards here. We're resembling StKilda of the 80's.

3 of our mooted targets got dropped this week including one we're offering 5 years to apparently.
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If they are an upgrade on the bottom handful of our list what’s the issue?. Have people not grasped just how shallow our list is? The bottom end struggle at reserve level. We won’t be paying through the nose for them. And at the very least they make our depth stronger.

We aren’t getting other clubs A & B graders out anytime soon, so in the meantime if we can get a few guys who have a few years in the system and can bring something to our setup to make us even slightly more competitive, it’s the right move even if the names aren’t attractive.

I personally think Stephens will provide us more then Taylor on a wing, and wherever Fisher plays on the field I can guarantee he’ll hit more targets then we’ve seen out of most our list the last handful of years. They may not be “sexy” additions but for what we will be giving up for them, they will be good additions if we can get them across.

Let’s start moving up the ladder a little before we worry about using top end picks to trade in higher quality names. Our foundations are still a work in progress.
 
giantroo said:



AFL Trade 2023: All the latest news and intel ahead of the exchange period​

Sydney has long been the frontrunner for Ben McKay – but are the Bombers right back in the mix? Plus, the mega pick swap brewing and all the latest trade news.

Jon Ralph
@RalphyHeraldSun

6 min read
September 8, 2023 - 1:33PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../165450c5abb77d3c6d855e14ddeb2cc4#share-tools




Essendon is prepared to open up its purse strings to get into the race for North Melbourne full back Ben McKay despite Sydney’s strong interest.
The Dons have always made clear they will not overpay for their free agency and trade acquisitions so they do not burn their $2 million-plus of cap space.
But McKay is aware Essendon has come strongly at him as a suitor as new CEO Craig Vozzo and list boss Adrian Dodoro aggressively try to improve their list.
Sydney is the industry favourite to secure McKay, given they have pushed so hard to replace Paddy McCartin after missing out on GWS defender Harry Himmelberg and West Coast full back Tom Barrass.
But Essendon would need to offer him at least a three-year deal of $800,000 to trigger first-round compensation, which would mean the Roos didn’t match any restricted free agency offer.

Essendon is desperate to secure another key back, with Jesse Hogan kicking nine goals on the club in round 23 and Tom Hawkins twice kicking six goals on defenders, including Brandon Zerk-Thatcher.
By the time the AFL salary cap goes up as much as 15 per cent by 2024, a deal of that size for McKay might seem reasonable value.
So Essendon has made clear to McKay how much it values him, which gives him a decision to make on moving interstate or finding a new home at Essendon or Hawthorn.

Mitchell’s Henry coup only the start​

Sam Mitchell has emerged as Hawthorn’s secret weapon as a recruiting tool in coming seasons as Liam Henry moves towards nominating the Hawks as his club of choice.
Player managers report Mitchell has put together a brilliant pitch to their players as the Hawks hope their recent improvements put them in the picture for a number of big names.
Geelong’s Esava Ratugolea chose Port Adelaide and North Melbourne’s Ben McKay might ultimately look elsewhere.
But Henry is expected to choose Hawthorn over St Kilda, with the Dockers wingman one of a number of players highly impressed by Mitchell.
His overall vision for the club, his specific intel on how he would coach them and his professionalism in selling the future have all been noted.
As a first-year coach, some rivals scoffed when Mitchell contacted opposition coaches himself as the Hawks tried to make moves to get up the draft board.
Yet, if you can’t get players to your club – even when you are rebuilding – it doesn’t matter how talented you are with the tactical and leadership side of coaching.
Hawthorn won’t want to give up a pick in the 15-25 range the Dockers are asking for, so get set for some prolonged haggling.

And Chad signs on​

Hawthorn has signed up Chad Wingard for another season.
The Hawks half forward had only just received a contract offer from the Hawks in the days before he tore his achilles in round 22. But having had successful surgery and dodged any infection, the Hawks have backed him in to return late in the 2024 season.
Wingard has only just turned 30 at a club with only himself, Sam Frost and Luke Breust over 30, so the Hawks are hopeful he has plenty of football ahead of him.

Port young gun going nowhere​

Take it to the bank that Xavier Duursma will not be moving on from Port Adelaide even as the Power try to find the picks to bring in Esava Ratugolea and potentially Brodie Grundy.
The Power gave up their first and second-rounders in the Jason Horne-Francis deal so need to find trade collateral with Ratugolea.
But Port Adelaide list boss Jason Cripps has made clear to Duursma he is central to their plans despite his name being thrown up in trade discussions by former Adelaide captain Mark Bickley.
Duursma, Connor Rozee and Zak Butters are all out of contract at the end of 2024 with the Power keen to sign them away over summer.
He has played only 11, 11 and 15 games in the past three years with injury and form issues but at just 23 years of age the Power would be crazy to let him go.

Dogs emerge as frontrunner for pick 4​

Western Bulldogs ruck Jordon Sweet is happy to wait until the end of the VFL finals to assess his options, despite being offered a two-year deal by the Bulldogs.
It comes as the Dogs emerge as an early favourite to trade up to the Suns’ pick 4 with their offer of picks 10 and 17.
Melbourne also has a strong proposal with their first-rounder and two second-rounders, with both offers handing the Suns an extra 500 points for their academy picks.
But the Suns could trade back to 10 and 17 from pick 4 then field offers for pick 10, so could make even more of a windfall on the deal to accrue points.

The two-year deal for Sweet has been in front of him for some time.
But not only is Tim English in career-best form, there is a chance Sam Darcy will eventually turn into a ruckman, who can play at either end.
West Coast is one of the clubs interested in Sweet but consider the turbulence in the ruck market.
Those with uncertain futures include Sean Darcy, Ivan Soldo, Scott Lycett, Matt Flynn, Brynn Teakle, Sam Hayes, Sweet and Todd Goldstein, who has been linked to Essendon.
Dogs utility Taylor Duryea should get another deal but the Dogs still have to make decisions on Hayden Crozier, Buku Khamis, Roarke Smith and Toby McLean.
McLean has real talent and is an unrestricted free agent, while Tim O’Brien will likely get another one-year deal.

Could Suns even get Dusty deal done?​

Gold Coast would be challenged in finding a satisfying trade deal for Dustin Martin even if they decided to make a concerted run at the triple Norm Smith Medallist.
Martin is considering his future and has told confidantes he might be ready for a change as he awaits a meeting on his future with manager Ralph Carr.
But the Suns have, at this stage, been lukewarm on a move, given they couldn’t pay his $1.3-4 million wage, he wouldn’t take a pay cut and Richmond wouldn’t contribute to a deal.
The Suns need to accumulate the points for rivals to bid on their trio of first-round academy selections as early as pick two (Jed Walter), pick 5 (Ethan Read) and pick 10 (Jake Rogers).
North Melbourne has always shown it is prepared to be faithful to its draft order when bidding on academy players so is a strong chance to call on Walter’s name at pick two.
So the Suns draft hand this year will be taken up, which means they might have to give up a future first-rounder for a player of Martin’s ilk.
At this stage, there is no clear suitor for contracted top-10 pick Elijah Hollands, who will sit down with the club and his management post VFL finals to assess his options.

No Rance-Dimma reunion​

Alex Rance is likely to move to the Gold Coast after shutting down his Melbourne-based high school but won’t be joining the Suns as a full-time employee.
The Suns are open to specialist coaching roles for the likes of Lance Franklin, and even Rance, if they wanted to help out the club’s young kids.
But Rance is 33, so despite his level of fitness, the Suns haven’t spoken to him about a shock comeback.
They are aware he is considering a full-time move north after shuttering his football-focused school The Academy.
And as the Suns consider their coaching team, they haven’t had meaningful talks with Rance about a coaching role.

No Giant exodus this year​

Greater Western Sydney is more than happy for veteran Nick Haynes to play on next year, despite a back-ended salary that will hit seven figures.
Like many GWS players, Haynes shuffled around money in years of his contract with the last year of a deal expiring next year hitting up to $1.2 million.
But GWS is keen to keep Haynes, with the bigger issue whether he might look for rival opportunities given he has often been used as the sub in recent weeks.

​

For the first time in many years, GWS has no retention challenges, having signed up a bevy of players including Harry Himmelberg, Lachie Ash, Finn Callaghan, Tom Green, Xavier O’Halloran and Jake Riccardi.
Rival clubs are open to cap dump opportunities to improve their draft hand but it makes no sense for the Giants to give away a quality pick for someone to absorb Haynes’ deal given they have cap space for him.
GWS will go back to the draft with picks six and 12 (and consider using their pick 50) in one of the most settled off-seasons in recent years.
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"Sam Mitchell has emerged as Hawthorn’s secret weapon as a recruiting tool"

It's not a secret when you've just told everyone Ralphy :rolleyes:
 
Rod Stroker said:
"Sam Mitchell has emerged as Hawthorn’s secret weapon as a recruiting tool"

It's not a secret when you've just told everyone Ralphy :rolleyes:
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Then as evidence he proceeds to use two players who are going elsewhere?

so he is the secret weapon in maybe getting one player?
 
Harris 10 said:
At this stage why would a best 22 player in a finals team come and play for us?
Also what are we using to trade for them?
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Yes that was my point

We've finished 17th, 18th, 18th and 17th. Of course the sorts of players we target are likely to be fringe at other clubs, that's a given.

We need to recruit guys who will make us more competitive and create competition for spots, and allow the players we draft to properly develop. Someone like Fisher is not going to win us a flag but he'll likely make us better in the short term.
 
Roo202 said:
Jeez some clubs get a generous run in the media.

* supposedly now prepared to pay more to get McKay, if that were us, it would be painted as desperate and overpaying, but suddenly there's the new line "By the time the AFL salary cap goes up as much as 15 per cent by 2024, a deal of that size for McKay might seem reasonable value."

Then they add in "So * has made clear to McKay how much it values him.." except a week ago we were being told how * were playing hardball and wouldn't overpay for him, now when it seems like they've been outbid, they're upping their offer, but that apparently should mean McKay sees how much they value him!?
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Bit of a sickness isn't it? We live in the age of successful journalism is who can bait the most clicks with rinse and repeat trash.
 
Interesting comment in the article that Suns might give up pick 10 if they got it and 17 from the dogs to get more points for pick 4.

So, we miss out on pick 4, how do we get pick 10? Would you give up 16 and 39 for 10?

Suns would get another 100+ points....
 
joegreen said:
Interesting comment in the article that Suns might give up pick 10 if they got it and 17 from the dogs to get more points for pick 4.

So, we miss out on pick 4, how do we get pick 10? Would you give up 16 and 39 for 10?

Suns would get another 100+ points....
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It’d be good if we get Sanders for nothing. If we have to match, it’d get swallowed up.
 
joegreen said:
Interesting comment in the article that Suns might give up pick 10 if they got it and 17 from the dogs to get more points for pick 4.

So, we miss out on pick 4, how do we get pick 10? Would you give up 16 and 39 for 10?

Suns would get another 100+ points....
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If Sanders hasn't been bid on by pick 9 absolutely.
 
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