Strapping Young Lad
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He meant on his other account, duh!
In 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion for being found guilty of fraud.Interestingly Pfizer once again in the list of most ethical companies
2022 World's Most Ethical Companies List
Ethisphere® Institute 2022 World’s Most Ethical Companies® Honoree Listworldsmostethicalcompanies.com
It is a list of 136 honorees from 22 countries and 45 different industries
You are right. Vaccines are distinct from other drugs in that they are marketed as a preventative measure.Read what I wrote not what you think I wrote.
By your logic here they'd not have been making vaccines, just pills to treat symptoms
So you're issue is that what, covid isn't transmissible because 100 years ago medical science couldn't prove something to your satisfaction?You are right. Vaccines are distinct from other drugs in that they are marketed as a preventative measure.
However, I am questioning the necessity of this measure as it has never been proven by the scientific method that virus is the cause of disease.
I would again challenge anyone to find a study which proves it does.
For an apparent, obvious and irrefutable fact, this should be extremely easy.
I will share with you a study that failed to prove that a virus is contagious and the cause of disease.
A study called "Experiments to Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza" published in the Journal of the American Medical Association was conducted during the Spanish Flu pandemic, which was of course regarded as the worst in history.
EXPERIMENTS TO DETERMINE MODE OF SPREAD OF INFLUENZA
The experiments here described were performed on an island in Boston Harbor, on volunteers obtained from the Navy. The work was conducted by a group of officers detailed for that purpose, from the U. S. Navy and the U. S. Public Health Service, consisting of Dr. G. W. McCoy, director of the...jamanetwork.com
Doctors took mucous secretions from sick patients and administered it directly into 100 healthy subjects.
They then took blood from sick patients and injected it into the blood of the healthy subjects.
No one became ill as a result of this.
Not one.
A quote from the study's author:
“We entered the outbreak with a notion that we knew the cause of the disease, and were quite sure we knew how it was transmitted from person to person. Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about the disease."
Viruses cause disease?
Does anyone here have any evidence, not hearsay, opinion or news articles, that they do?
Have u read into at all. What has happened in this past is irrelevant now. Companies evolve and improve their processes. They also improve as an organisation. I'm sure there were consequences for the issue u brought up. How many of the top level execs have remained at pfizer since then has there been a change of leadership. Pfizer is still about making money no company in the world isnt unless they are a charity.In 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion for being found guilty of fraud.
This was the largest health care settlement in history.
Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History
American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. (hereinafter together “Pfizer”) have agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from...www.justice.gov
Do you believe the practices that led them to be fined this extraordinary sum were ethical and could not have occured before or since?
Have you investigated Ethisphere?
I wonder if there are any conflicts of interest within their organisation which could influence their awards?
I notice that recognition is by application.
Do you think there is no scenario where recognition could be bought.
I find it extremely hard to believe that Pfizer has gone from one of the least ethical companies in 2009 to one of the most today, all while recording increasing profits.
It's not that it couldn't prove something to my satisfaction, it couldn't prove what it set out to at all.So you're issue is that what, covid isn't transmissible because 100 years ago medical science couldn't prove something to your satisfaction?
So your checkmate is a 1918 study that proved in 1918 they didn't understand influenza because they were looking for bacterial microbesIt's not that it couldn't prove something to my satisfaction, it couldn't prove what it set out to at all.
Do you have any evidence that viruses cause disease.
Science has proved it, right?
You believe that germs are contagious and cause disease.So your checkmate is a 1918 study that proved in 1918 they didn't understand influenza because they were looking for bacterial microbes
You think this somehow proves viruses can't cause disease?
It took the invention of the electron microscope for them to identify a virus particle visually.I do find this more illuminating on what was going on back then
The State of Science, Microbiology, and Vaccines Circa 1918
The influenza pandemic of 1918–1919 dramatically altered biomedical knowledge of the disease. At its onset, the foundation of scientific knowledge was information collected during the previous major pandemic of 1889–1890. The work of Otto ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It took the invention of the electron microscope for them to work out what caused influenza, 1931 it was created
Wow, this guy is saying some pretty radical, controversial and challenging stuff.
Is he even qualified to present these arguments?
Maybe he should let ACTUAL medical doctors weigh in on this?!?
This isolation misinformation has already been debunked online. The virus has been isolated in creating the vaccineDoes anyone else here like the way Snrub thinks?
Failing to prove something is true does not mean you have proved that something is not true.You believe that germs are contagious and cause disease.
This study failed to prove that, and convincingly so.
Do you take issue with the method used?
How would you improve upon it?
Has there been a similar study since with contrary results?
Interesting comments thanksI am finding a pattern on this forum which stems from the top moderators down, at that is resorting to name calling and ridicule when they are confronted by the content of a post.
Is that the standard you are striving for as leaders of a community?
Wouldn't the term moderator mean you should be moderate in response to opinions which may differ to yours?
As far as alt accounts go, this one was pretty funny!A second account to keep denying covid is real....
We're going in May too! Late May.Interesting comments thanks
PS: Now the family is all vaxed we are all going to Bali in May. It’s going to be
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It’s great to be vaccinated hey? You don’t die and you can do heaps of shit that you couldn’t do otherwise. My family are happy to sheeple it upAs far as alt accounts go, this one was pretty funny!
We're going in May too! Late May.
btw Bumpswithagrin don't just read facebook refer to these articlesThis isolation misinformation has already been debunked online. The virus has been isolated in creating the vaccine
Lol u guys get the same information word for word. I have already replied to this from someone else in this thread. This sort of behaviour is not exclusive to pharmaceuticals. Boeing and VW come to mind straight away. What matters is what is current day 2022 many years onIn 2009 US Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History Pfizer Paid $2.3 Billion including a $1.3 billion criminal fine. Very Ethical
Every large corporation is in it to make money. You take that for grantedThe only thing I will say on Pfizer is that being greedy capitalist pigs that price gouge doesn't mean their product doesn't work, it just means they are greedy capitalist pigs, like pretty much every large for profit out there
there's making money and then there is making moneyEvery large corporation is in it to make money. You take that for granted