WWE TV, Rumours and Discussion (On Netflix)

[Ry009]

WWE have to do better in the TNA partnership (perhaps previous crossovers were testing the waters) but don't think I've ever seen a wrestling partnership that was truly equal.

 

[Cleavy]

WWE have to do better in the TNA partnership (perhaps previous crossovers were testing the waters) but don't think I've ever seen a wrestling partnership that was truly equal.

maybe the old territory days? (that's a bit before my time, so I'm thinking World Class having working arrangements)

might be able to argue that the WWF/Memphis arrangement in 1993/94 was somewhat equal? WWF had Lawler on commentary, and Jarrett at a few house shows etc, and Memphis had the early workings of heel Vince, and talent such as Bret, Owen, Savage, (and then the drop off) like Papa Shango etc as the WWF invaders.

 

[Cleavy]

I'd like to see TNA run a show WrestleMania weekend, looks like they have Rebellion the week after but doing it on the actual weekend and featuring some talent who missed out in a spot could be good business. An example could be Gallows and Anderson having a few matches in NXT in March/April then you get the current TNA tag champs to show up and work an angle.

I guess they could do a NXT TV special which leads into Rebellion. 2 day WM and having SD the night before quashes my original idea of a WM weekend Takeover.

 

[Cleavy]

potential Wyatt Sicks vs New Bloodline feud...

 

[nobbyiscool]

Watching SD on delay, and there are few things I understand less, and few things that I'm less interested in, than self-absorbed, wannabe main character flogs streaming themselves watching wrestling.

Who is this for? Who is watching those streams? And why is WWE now promoting potentially the lamest arm of wrestling fandom that it exists?

I'm way too old to care what other people think about wrestling, it was comical to me when a guy in his 50s started telling us earlier this year that "wrestling was cool again." Like, you're 50 mate - you don't get to decide/tell people, and why would you possibly give a shit?

Yet, with that said, I'm not sure I can think of anything that embarrasses me more as a wrestling fan.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

WWE have to do better in the TNA partnership (perhaps previous crossovers were testing the waters) but don't think I've ever seen a wrestling partnership that was truly equal.

TNA would absolutely go into this knowing that it benefits WWE more, as they have to loan bigger talent than comes back the other way.

But the overall rub that TNA gets, purely from exposure is worth it. They're getting eyes on talent that might not be seen by WWE fans otherwise, and maybe, just maybe, those eyes tune into a few TNA shows, attend a few events, boost the numbers and the $$

If Guy 1 (millionaire) and Guy 2 (billionaire) enter into a new business, and Guy 1 gains 30m in profit, and guy 2 earns 100m, in the grand scheme of things who is coming off better?
Guy 1 because he's increased his net worth by 30x.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Latest on Graves is that people thought he was trying to get fired, but sources within WWE reckon he was just trying to get people talking. Which it did.

 

[Cleavy]

TNA would absolutely go into this knowing that it benefits WWE more, as they have to loan bigger talent than comes back the other way.

But the overall rub that TNA gets, purely from exposure is worth it. They're getting eyes on talent that might not be seen by WWE fans otherwise, and maybe, just maybe, those eyes tune into a few TNA shows, attend a few events, boost the numbers and the $$

If Guy 1 (millionaire) and Guy 2 (billionaire) enter into a new business, and Guy 1 gains 30m in profit, and guy 2 earns 100m, in the grand scheme of things who is coming off better?
Guy 1 because he's increased his net worth by 30x.

possibly but the tribalism that WWE hardcore fans have means they don't watch other wrestling companies.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

possibly but the tribalism that WWE hardcore fans have means they don't watch other wrestling companies.

You can look at it that way. But I think that is way too simplistic and falls into the trap of tarring everyone with the same brush. There's certainly a large number of fans like that, but even a percentage of the WWE fan base is a huge potential market.
I've seen quite a few die hard WWE fans on the sub-reddits already saying they've checked out TNA because they were impressed with the appearances on WWE tv and how much they enjoyed the TNA product when they did.

Also, TNA is partnered with NXT - which would contain the section of the fan base which likely contains the least tribalistic of the WWE fans, who are more "educated" about wrestling existing outside of WWE, and more likely to check out other stuff if the product is good.

 

[BEEG]

Its so obvious what the 2 main events should be at Wrestlemania.

Cody vs Cena - WWE Championship
Reigns vs Punk - WH Championship

Reigns beats Gunther at EC or Raw.
Punk wins Royal Rumble.
Cena wins EC.

Not sure what they do with Drew and Rollins.

 

[RossFC]

Next week on Smackdown:


Next week on Saturday Nights Main Event:

 

[RossFC]

Did Mysterio say he outlasted 28 people in the 06 rumble?

Also noticed during the backstage seg with Cody and Aldis the crowd started chanting "We can't hear you".

Carmelo Hayes killed Jimmy Uso in his promo, saying he's in the shadow of Jey, who is in the shadow of Roman. "How you gonna take shots at me, from the bench." hahaha.

Good tease between Fatu and Strowman.

Pretty cool to get Owens vs Mysterio, solid match.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I started to see Cena vs Punk suggestions for WM. I really don't want that.

Don't get me wrong, I think that has to happen one last time, but I don't want it built on respect, I want a vengeful, hateful Punk who is bitter cos he lost 10 years of his career cos he wasn't the guy, while Cena spent that 10 years having his D sucked for a couple of months a year while spending the rest of the year in Hollywood, something he promised all of us that he'd never do.

 

[Ry009]

You can look at it that way. But I think that is way too simplistic and falls into the trap of tarring everyone with the same brush. There's certainly a large number of fans like that, but even a percentage of the WWE fan base is a huge potential market.
I've seen quite a few die hard WWE fans on the sub-reddits already saying they've checked out TNA because they were impressed with the appearances on WWE tv and how much they enjoyed the TNA product when they did.

Also, TNA is partnered with NXT - which would contain the section of the fan base which likely contains the least tribalistic of the WWE fans, who are more "educated" about wrestling existing outside of WWE, and more likely to check out other stuff if the product is good.

Yeah, I think tribalism is everywhere, and not just even wrestling.

I think the algorithms plus the difference in size of the fan bases probably makes it seem more prevalent with WWE fans are tribal.

I've seen a lot of shitting on the partnership.

This certainly isn't the only lopsided partnership in wrestling, nor the one where the bigger company has signed big stars from the other.

 

[Ry009]

I started to see Cena vs Punk suggestions for WM. I really don't want that.

Don't get me wrong, I think that has to happen one last time, but I don't want it built on respect, I want a vengeful, hateful Punk who is bitter cos he lost 10 years of his career cos he wasn't the guy, while Cena spent that 10 years having his D sucked for a couple of months a year while spending the rest of the year in Hollywood, something he promised all of us that he'd never do.

I don't think nor should it happen unless it's organically and not a forced replay of their feud at MITB (which had the same issues but was more a feud with Vince/Triple H than Cena), but who is the true heel in your scenario?

No desire to see the in ring match as they're both beyond their best, but Punk vs Rock is the only other feud that makes sense revisiting IMO.

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

TNA would absolutely go into this knowing that it benefits WWE more, as they have to loan bigger talent than comes back the other way.

But the overall rub that TNA gets, purely from exposure is worth it. They're getting eyes on talent that might not be seen by WWE fans otherwise, and maybe, just maybe, those eyes tune into a few TNA shows, attend a few events, boost the numbers and the $$

If Guy 1 (millionaire) and Guy 2 (billionaire) enter into a new business, and Guy 1 gains 30m in profit, and guy 2 earns 100m, in the grand scheme of things who is coming off better?
Guy 1 because he's increased his net worth by 30x.

Great post. Hard to think people couldn’t understand or see this from the start. Both companies get something they otherwise wouldn’t. I actually think if anything, TNA benefits more in the long run.

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

Carmelo Hayes killed Jimmy Uso in his promo, saying he's in the shadow of Jey, who is in the shadow of Roman. "How you gonna take shots at me, from the bench." hahaha.

Good tease between Fatu and Strowman.

Pretty cool to get Owens vs Mysterio, solid match.

Was a pretty good SmackDown. Fair bit happened story wise and we got some good matchups. Much better than the weeks prior episode which felt more like a chore to watch.

Owens T-Shirt made me laugh! It went hard!

Loved the intro with Tess and Barrett starting backstage and talking as they make their way to ringside. These new ideas they are implementing are doing a great job making the event feel like a big deal. These visuals are great when it’s a full house too.

Jacob Fatu getting on the mic was great. He’s a wild man. Laughed at the Chargers comment during the ad break. I guess they’re gonna push him hard now.

What’s next for Solo?

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

possibly but the tribalism that WWE hardcore fans have means they don't watch other wrestling companies.

You could say that about any promotions hardcore fans.

I think truth is there is just too much. 8 hours a week of WWE TV, and much more if there’s a SNME or PLE.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[RossFC]

What’s next for Solo?

No idea honestly. Maybe go after Sami Zayn for not taking his offer to join the New Bloodline.

 

[Tonythetiger]

You can look at it that way. But I think that is way too simplistic and falls into the trap of tarring everyone with the same brush. There's certainly a large number of fans like that, but even a percentage of the WWE fan base is a huge potential market.
I've seen quite a few die hard WWE fans on the sub-reddits already saying they've checked out TNA because they were impressed with the appearances on WWE tv and how much they enjoyed the TNA product when they did.

Also, TNA is partnered with NXT - which would contain the section of the fan base which likely contains the least tribalistic of the WWE fans, who are more "educated" about wrestling existing outside of WWE, and more likely to check out other stuff if the product is good.

For talent as well, if you think of going via TNA to get to WWE, it's a good spot to be in. You can either go via ROH to get to AEW (assuming talent just starting out) or if you get your start with TNA you know that there is an existing relationship there and it's the better place to build your network. This is less about the fans I feel and more about how WWE can continue to position themselves long term to keep bringing in talent.

 

[RossFC]

For talent as well, if you think of going via TNA to get to WWE, it's a good spot to be in. You can either go via ROH to get to AEW (assuming talent just starting out) or if you get your start with TNA you know that there is an existing relationship there and it's the better place to build your network. This is less about the fans I feel and more about how WWE can continue to position themselves long term to keep bringing in talent.

I would not recommend being in ROH to get to AEW. I'd suggest New Japan.

Athena, Billie Starkz and Kyle Fletcher are the only people that have benefited being in Tony Khan's ROH. The latter being the only one that has progressed to AEW and done well, and he's from New Japan in the first place.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Like that they're trying stuff to see what works with Penta's entrance. Pinwheel was an interesting new visual.

The Cero Miedo fist bump to the kid dressed as trump made me cringe a bit.

Cole accidentally calling Pete Dunne "Bitch" made me choke on my water.

Another really good choice of opponent. Dunne looked a million bucks even in defeat.

Edit: According to people on Reddit, the Pinwheel pyro is similar to Castillo Fireworks used in church events all across Mexico.

 

[Tonythetiger]

This Owens-Sami stuff is interesting. I don't think Owens is beating Cody, but there are lots of ways to get a world title involved if they face each other at WrestleMania.

Have Owens lose to Cody but win an Elimination Chamber match. You also could have Sami win against Gunther at the same event and have the Goldberg run in which sets up that match. You would have it as opening match on Night 2. Then we just have to work out who Cena is going to face and if Punk vs Roman happens. Maybe Cena vs Rollins?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Imagine having a group with the talent of Stark, Baeszler and Deville, and giving them a name like Pure Fusion Collective.